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Description Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -




I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?

Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)

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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.


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Comments: 919

MechaKingGhidorah100 In reply to ??? [2013-07-19 03:49:48 +0000 UTC]

My kids can believe in anything they want so long as they don't get nutty about it.

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YuusukeOnodera In reply to ??? [2013-07-11 08:51:50 +0000 UTC]

i also support evolutionism

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Limnoria In reply to YuusukeOnodera [2013-09-08 06:51:00 +0000 UTC]

"Evolutionism".  That makes it sound like a belief system open to debate on its validity.  Don't fuel the stupid.

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YuusukeOnodera In reply to Limnoria [2013-09-09 06:58:55 +0000 UTC]

not evolutionidm, Theory of Evoulution

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Limnoria In reply to YuusukeOnodera [2013-09-09 18:00:22 +0000 UTC]

Much better.

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YuusukeOnodera In reply to Limnoria [2013-09-11 05:00:22 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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YuusukeOnodera In reply to ??? [2013-07-11 08:50:38 +0000 UTC]

religion and education should be separated
like politics and education and politics and sports

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Blackestfang In reply to ??? [2013-07-10 13:24:00 +0000 UTC]

I don't belive in it and if the dad tries to force them hes gonna get smacked.

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scourge1212 In reply to ??? [2013-07-10 12:36:00 +0000 UTC]

but they should know there real dad

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Nekromanda In reply to scourge1212 [2013-07-11 15:52:38 +0000 UTC]

They will - my husband

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scourge1212 In reply to Nekromanda [2013-07-11 15:58:26 +0000 UTC]

shut up

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Nekromanda In reply to scourge1212 [2013-07-12 01:52:36 +0000 UTC]

Okay, for being thickheaded, I am now blocking you.

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Solgalelite In reply to scourge1212 [2013-07-10 18:23:45 +0000 UTC]

but you should stop talking. They do not HAVE to believe in god, dayum. Not everyone thinks like you, where's your theory of mind?

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scourge1212 In reply to Solgalelite [2013-07-10 18:26:23 +0000 UTC]

OK YOU CAN SHUT UP NOW I WAS NOT BEING RUDE

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Solgalelite In reply to scourge1212 [2013-07-10 18:29:02 +0000 UTC]

I'm not either. I'm jus sayin that not EVERYONE has to think that god is their true father

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scourge1212 In reply to Solgalelite [2013-07-10 18:29:53 +0000 UTC]

but that's the truth

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BloodRedFullMoon In reply to scourge1212 [2013-11-02 02:04:37 +0000 UTC]

As a matter of fact, it's not.

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Solgalelite In reply to scourge1212 [2013-07-10 18:33:20 +0000 UTC]

For you it is, but for others no. You're obviously not getting my point- not everyone believes the same thing as you. Yes, believe. Saying that god is out true father is a belief, not a fact. Yes it was scientifically proven that there is a higher being out there that created us, but for all we know that thing could've been an a"alien" creature doing what its species normally does.

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BloodRedFullMoon In reply to Solgalelite [2013-11-02 02:05:36 +0000 UTC]

Where was that ever scientifically proven? That's news to me, and I happen to be a biologist.
Are you talking about Intelligent Design? Because that would fall under the term of Pseudoscience.

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Solgalelite In reply to BloodRedFullMoon [2013-11-12 17:13:08 +0000 UTC]

It was a few years ago where they used a bunch of stuff, my memories are kind of blurry because i ding't get to wach the whole thing.

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BloodRedFullMoon In reply to Solgalelite [2013-11-12 18:00:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh, so you're saying it was a documentary of sorts?
Meh. They're more often sensationalist than not, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Some christian apologists claim they have proof that there must be a higher being, but all of their proof so far has been debunked by actual scientists.

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scourge1212 In reply to Solgalelite [2013-07-10 18:36:30 +0000 UTC]

no god

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Rocky-Fuller In reply to ??? [2013-07-10 06:32:02 +0000 UTC]

I am atheist but would not object to my children--if I ever wanted any--getting into religion because its their choice what they wish to believe in. If they believe in God, then that's perfectly okay with me

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TheEye15 In reply to ??? [2013-07-08 03:06:13 +0000 UTC]

Pfft I wish you were my mom or dad. There is no choice for me. I either believe in God or I sleep on the streets. As far as they know I am a hetero Christian. But if I was raised by open and intelligent people I could say out loud I'm a gay atheist without fear

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joyful-basilisk In reply to ??? [2013-07-07 17:23:32 +0000 UTC]

If my kids want to be Christian/Jewish/Muslims/Atheists/Agnostics/whatevers, that's fine! Awesome! Follow your heart! The one thing I will do is that my kids will go to church, at least up until they're thirteen or so. If I marry someone from a different religion, and they have services, my kids can attend their church - that'd be fine! If they want to attend a church that I don't go to - awesome! If they'd rather attend some other religious service - cool! If they're hanging out with friends and want to skip - yeah, sure! Socialization is a huge part of why church is important: my parents aren't Christian, but they brought me to church, and it taught me valuable lessons about how to deal with people with different opinions from me, and it taught me how to sit still through really boring lectures. (I'm still convinced that sitting through hour-long sermons of doom is why I'm able to pay attention in even-more-boring college classes.)

But a lot of my opinions probably come from being raised by parents of different religions with grandparents of different religions. I grew up exposed to agnosticism, gnostic pantheism, unitarianism, modern Lutheranism, fundamentalist Lutheranism, fundamentalist Baptism, and Catholicism and ironically I am none of those things!

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Mindkiller1989 In reply to ??? [2013-07-01 02:17:24 +0000 UTC]

I have no clue how much I can possibly agree with you! When I have children, I will make sure they are allowed to come to their own conclusions about religious beliefs without anybody telling them otherwise, as I have done.

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Indiana212 In reply to ??? [2013-06-29 16:23:20 +0000 UTC]

I am Lutheran and I totally agree with you. If they want to go to a different religion or no religion at all. That's fine. Instead there are some parents who just force their beliefs on their kids. Thankfully my parents were never that way

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orinkuu In reply to ??? [2013-06-23 21:30:52 +0000 UTC]

My dad is Christian but he never forced me to believe in god... and the rest of my family including me don't really have a religion

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Cookie-Waffle In reply to ??? [2013-06-23 01:29:18 +0000 UTC]

Well i do respect all relieons, I would "Highly encourage" my kids to belive in god, because they are my own, and I want them to get into heaven. But however, I will NOT be like most parents and shove the religion down the kid's throght. That will only make your child angry. I would just have a calm conversation, and not freak out and yell at them.

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Karinta In reply to ??? [2013-06-20 19:34:02 +0000 UTC]

Good! If I ever have kids, I will not force them to believe in any god, or to deny the existence of any god either. Freedom of and from religion.

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Gwenvar In reply to Karinta [2013-07-03 18:56:24 +0000 UTC]

I agree, forced religion is not religion .

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TheEye15 In reply to Gwenvar [2013-07-08 03:09:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! From experience, forcing religion just pushes them away.

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darknessthehedgehog3 In reply to ??? [2013-06-18 02:01:43 +0000 UTC]

I was born catholic but i'm in the middle of being religious and none religious yet i do believe in a kind of god but i have never really followed the bible .But yet i don't want any part of religion or to be totally in religion cause the stupid stuff it makes you think.Example harry potter is evil or the Westboro Baptist Church stuff or the nut jobs

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Gwenvar In reply to darknessthehedgehog3 [2013-07-03 18:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Have you heard, about taoism in detail? Not trying to spam, just I thought I might mention. I love it, it's a lot different from the others.

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darknessthehedgehog3 In reply to Gwenvar [2013-07-04 05:30:37 +0000 UTC]

nope never heard of it

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Gwenvar In reply to darknessthehedgehog3 [2013-07-06 19:25:00 +0000 UTC]

Well, it's kinda hard to describe it. It's both a philosophy and a religion. it teaches balance, peace non-resistance, and humblesness (like in the lines: "who stands on tiptoe is not steady") and non-resistance. The book of it's teaching is the Tao Te Ching. And unlike other religious books, the words are directly from the master (Lao Tzu, and is not claimed to be a word of god . However, it is more useful for people who wants to be more happier, to be more contented. One of the thing that I love in that, is that all the taoists are peaceful, and true to their faith, cuz all of them sought it by their own will and and heart.

However, it's kinda hard to understand first, cuz being a philosophy it is not as straightforward as for e.g. the bible (like "don't fornicate" vs. "not seeing desirable things prevents the confusion of the heart. Ever desireless, one can see the mistery. Ever desiring, one can see manifestation"). And stuff like that. And the problem is also, that a chinese book written 2,500 years ago cannot be traslated to english directly, but so it might not be precise, so there are lots of different translations there.

The main thing that is against today's (and even more the past era's) view, is that taoism views accepting bad and good equally as the fuel of peace, while today's society views accepting bad as the fuel of evil. Lot of things there seem contradictions, illogical to the "common sense", so not an easy thing. I read somewhere, that "it is just as difficult as you make it to be", but with that it seemed even more difficult XDD.

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endler In reply to ??? [2013-06-16 03:58:23 +0000 UTC]

I'd just like to teach them about the different ones and if they decide to take one or not, it's their business. Learned from my parents to just teach when your child is interested, not force.

Science Sunday School sounds awesome, though. Wish we actually had that when I was younger. It'd be cool to have a whole day just for that subject.

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heisawriter In reply to ??? [2013-06-15 19:28:09 +0000 UTC]

Religion dosen't have to be the prioritey. Only if you want it to be.

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ameliathebat In reply to ??? [2013-06-12 17:24:26 +0000 UTC]

I don't believe in Angels,but God and Jesus Yes.

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Melopsittacus In reply to ??? [2013-06-11 15:12:57 +0000 UTC]

I have this aunt who is a total Christfaggot and she keeps trying to brainwash my cousin into "being saved"
gee she makes the kiddo go to catechism, go to the the church almost every sunday and making those religious ceremonies...

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MaximWolf In reply to ??? [2013-06-06 19:06:32 +0000 UTC]

You can't force anyone. They have to decide on their own.

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GamziMakr In reply to ??? [2013-06-03 03:58:48 +0000 UTC]

Sighing.

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xcrystalwolfmoonxx In reply to ??? [2013-06-03 00:11:10 +0000 UTC]

I've been raised Catholic, but I wasn't really forced to believe in God. I'm honestly having 50/50 feelings towards God's existence, but I will NEVER force my kids to believe in God or any other deity.

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LisaMini3 In reply to ??? [2013-05-31 09:55:20 +0000 UTC]

When I have kids, I'll offer to take them to church with their dad and I, otherwise they can stay home if they like. If they ask about religion, I'll tell them about it. I won't tell them to believe a certain way, I'll let them decide that on their own.

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Barricade9-1-1 In reply to ??? [2013-05-27 11:01:28 +0000 UTC]

humph.... well is their choice. right?




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SunshynesFlower In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 21:45:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm a Christian but I WILL never force my children to believe in God. They can if they want to but I will not force them. That's not right.

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TheDemonOfSloth In reply to ??? [2013-05-20 12:02:44 +0000 UTC]

The main reason why aound 30% of the kids in the world have a miserable life.

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Lolu25 In reply to ??? [2013-05-19 05:27:25 +0000 UTC]

I was raised Christan. I wasn't really 'forced' to believe in what I believe, but from experiences I've had through my belief just made me believe even more. I won't force my kids to believe in what I believe, but it will be encouraged.

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kalika12 In reply to ??? [2013-05-18 00:52:51 +0000 UTC]

Your kids will be lucky!

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xScarletstripesx In reply to ??? [2013-05-16 18:44:26 +0000 UTC]

My parents yell at me for being atheist and that not having a religion is wrong and they think if I have kids that they "need to be identified" xD I just laugh at that.

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