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Description Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -




I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?

Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)

EDIT
Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.


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Comments: 919

Captain-Grumpy In reply to ??? [2013-06-28 08:19:02 +0000 UTC]

Parental logic

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SkylordZuleano In reply to ??? [2013-05-15 02:18:34 +0000 UTC]

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SkylordZuleano In reply to ??? [2013-05-15 02:16:58 +0000 UTC]

Too true
too true

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Buzzy-Queen-Bee In reply to ??? [2013-05-13 21:58:34 +0000 UTC]

Who says you have to not exist if you die if you don't believe in anything but science?!
You could go to Science World or the computer.

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Kuzai In reply to ??? [2013-05-13 17:53:18 +0000 UTC]

I mostly was raised to be a christian by my dad but he was the bad kind where his nose was stuck in the book. After meeting some friends I found being a christian wasn't the right choice for me. SO I just believed in whatever I felt was right but I never shoved my opinions down anyone's throats about it either. Now my dad thinks I have been "Corrupted" by the internet and I just tell him "no, I was saved"

and whenever I ask him a question his answers always involve answers like "Because Jesus made life this" or "Because God made life that"

Next time he does that I'm just going to tell him "Dad you know what I'm happy you have something you're passionate about but please don't act like it's the rule of the world. I'm not a christian and I don't exactly believe in God. So could I have some scientific answers that don't involve religion?" I'm sure he'll get mad about that but really I don't believe in his faith and I don't want to have to hear all of his answers being based around it when I am trying to ask a serious question. I usually go to my mom more for answers though because she is open minded and gives me a real answer not based on religion and she's a Buddhist, which I think is cool too.

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JaniceTheFurry In reply to ??? [2013-05-12 13:34:28 +0000 UTC]

I grew up the same way, but I certantly will NOT force my children into Christianity. They have a right to believe whatever the hell they want! I totally support this stamp!

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KittyChocoLight In reply to JaniceTheFurry [2013-05-16 22:03:55 +0000 UTC]

Same here. But I would wait until they are older. Since little kids doesn't understand much about religion.

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JaniceTheFurry In reply to KittyChocoLight [2013-05-16 22:13:04 +0000 UTC]

indeed.

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KittyChocoLight In reply to JaniceTheFurry [2013-05-16 22:21:22 +0000 UTC]

Yep

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EscapeingRunaway In reply to ??? [2013-05-05 06:33:53 +0000 UTC]

My unborn children in the future join any religion they want besides a crazed suicidal cult.

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TMNTFAN85 In reply to ??? [2013-04-26 06:32:51 +0000 UTC]

as long as my kid believes in something and isn't an atheist i'm okay with it.

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Limnoria In reply to TMNTFAN85 [2013-09-08 06:56:12 +0000 UTC]

There's nothing wrong with being atheist. 

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Nekromanda In reply to TMNTFAN85 [2013-04-26 15:29:54 +0000 UTC]

Would you love them less if they were an atheist or something?

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TMNTFAN85 In reply to Nekromanda [2013-04-26 21:31:53 +0000 UTC]

no. but i wouldn't put but with their smart ass comments.

neice was irriating. she was fun, but now she;s lil emo kid who cuts herself.

family views that as insanity. cutting themselves i mean.
i care about her. but damnit she can be a lil troll.

i dont even mention god at all and she becomes this lil extremist lil shit.

my cousin is atheist and he treats me with respect. in turn i respect him.

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Nekromanda In reply to TMNTFAN85 [2013-04-27 00:18:11 +0000 UTC]

As someone who used to cut themselves as a teenager, I would suggest that your niece get some help from a counselor. It's not insanity, it's a cry for help that needs to be addressed. Typically with newish atheists, it's easy for them to get over-zealous with their newfound freedom from their old faith. I was like that, and lots of others were, too. Add in that she's probably a teenager, it's just something that people are going to have to be patient with until she's settled in to her position on religion, and as a person in general (you know how teens are).

That's good about you and your cousin. Good to see mutually respectful relationships like that out there.

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TMNTFAN85 In reply to Nekromanda [2013-04-27 00:28:45 +0000 UTC]

she dont live here no more. her and her mom left.
(shes a step niece)

they left after her mom gave birth to my brother's kid and took her to austin.

meanwhile my brother who had an affair with a teen girl (since she was 15)and whose my step neice's best friend, and my brother's cousin pretty much took her in to our house (mom and i)

as soon as niece and her mom left.

so yea, she had problem with her best friend being with her step dad/my brother.

my brother married her last year (she turn 18) and now they have a child.

so yeeeeaaaaaaaaaaa.

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KirinKade In reply to ??? [2013-04-24 04:58:51 +0000 UTC]

My parents raised me agnostic; we were allowed to be look into religion if we wanted to but nothing was shoved down our throats but we were also never allowed to abuse religion and think those who believe in it are inferior; my house was full of all kinds of books from science to religion all over the world and at school we had religion class which you could take voluntarily which I died. Now I'm 16 and have decided to become an Atheist due to moral belief, but I'm glad my parents didn't raise us with religion but gave us the opportunity if we wanted to.

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0L50NJ4 In reply to ??? [2013-04-24 01:54:10 +0000 UTC]

AMEN!
=-D

=-D

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420JeffieShawna In reply to ??? [2013-04-12 18:25:15 +0000 UTC]

I will not do anything religeous with my kids... religeon is like a fucking cult...

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ChaoticDarkAngel In reply to ??? [2013-04-06 20:12:55 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. I personally believe in God but if I ever have kids I will NOT force them to become Christian that is entirely up to them if they believe in God or not. People should not force their children to believe or not believe in God that is a person's own personal choice. I can't help but feel disgusted by parents who force religion or force their kids not to have religion -__-

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artbytiffany In reply to ??? [2013-04-03 22:42:29 +0000 UTC]

I completely agree, I am a Christian, but I believe in this for me my parents never pushed me into, and if I push my children into it they will not really believe and they have to choose for themselves.

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MagicMilkshake1 In reply to ??? [2013-03-31 19:02:51 +0000 UTC]

I'm a Christian, and when I get children, I will not force them to Believe in God because then... It's not a real belief.

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the-king-of-sleep In reply to ??? [2013-03-25 21:15:28 +0000 UTC]

I'm scared to tell my parents I don't believe in god...

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fallencruxisangel In reply to the-king-of-sleep [2013-04-03 04:33:12 +0000 UTC]

Aw sweetie, it's ok You don't have to tell them if you're uncomfortable about it, just take your time and become comfortable with yourself. The more secure you feel in your beliefs (or lack there-of), the easier it is to talk about them.

They are your parents, and while they may be upset or even angry, they will love you again Even if it takes a while to get over the shock, the love will return

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TheDemonOfSloth In reply to fallencruxisangel [2013-05-20 12:03:46 +0000 UTC]

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fallencruxisangel In reply to TheDemonOfSloth [2013-05-20 16:28:14 +0000 UTC]

aw, thanks

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Artmania1234 In reply to the-king-of-sleep [2013-03-26 21:39:43 +0000 UTC]

Just keep it from them untill you can move out. if you already have, tell them. It wont hurt if you live by your own rules.

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speedddogg In reply to Artmania1234 [2013-04-17 00:58:18 +0000 UTC]

Yeah that's what I'm waiting for. My older brother did that actually. My Mom at least tried to respect his choice (she wasn't that religious to start with) but my dad... just ugh for 2 years of my lif.

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Nekromanda In reply to the-king-of-sleep [2013-03-26 00:42:37 +0000 UTC]

If it might end with you getting in trouble/kicked out/anything bad, it might be best to keep that a secret from them until you can get on your own two feet unfortunately :/

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SKuRRly In reply to ??? [2013-03-23 18:53:58 +0000 UTC]

Or anything else that should be their choice. :]

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shewolfzoroark In reply to ??? [2013-03-22 18:43:42 +0000 UTC]

I would say, 'OMG same here I'll let my kids believe what they want to believe!' I might. But I won't. 'Cause I don't want kids.

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PhoenixSkywriter In reply to ??? [2013-03-18 20:49:24 +0000 UTC]

Once upon a time I believed in God, and then at fourteen-ish, I stopped.
Up until here recently I was in a relationship with a Christian who tried to get his friends to help him convert me to Christianity.
I asked him why he would disrespect me like that, he said that he was worried for my soul.
I told him that the King James Bible teaches tolerance. He argued that it also taught that non-Christians are going to burn in eternity.
I told him to watch after his own soul and that the Bible does not condone bullying.
He said it wasn't bullying, because it was subtle.
I said that the Bible says "Love the sinner, hate the sin"
He dropped it after that.

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Artmania1234 In reply to PhoenixSkywriter [2013-03-26 21:41:14 +0000 UTC]

nice work.

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KuboTaiko In reply to ??? [2013-03-17 17:02:23 +0000 UTC]

I am a strongly believing christian and that's because of my dad. He always talked to me about jesus and took me to church because faith is something important to my dad and I was kinda afraid he'd be sad if I didn't listen or follow him. And now I regret nothing because faith in God helped me through my suicidal period. Thank you, father and dad

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imasatanist In reply to KuboTaiko [2016-02-13 11:03:44 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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KuboTaiko In reply to imasatanist [2016-02-14 10:45:51 +0000 UTC]

Not even bismuth is that edgy, deary

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Drunkenwhaler0313 In reply to ??? [2013-03-15 23:32:58 +0000 UTC]

well that's too late for me

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LuminaBalderson In reply to ??? [2013-03-13 03:19:09 +0000 UTC]

I agree completely.

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eveblackdragon In reply to ??? [2013-03-09 17:55:23 +0000 UTC]

I'm an atheist and I respect others religion but when they start forcing their religion on me,even when I was a child, then I would just bitch slap them with science and make them look like idiots. I would never force my kids to believe in something fake or not, I would wait till they can decide either to believe or not and I would respect their chose

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to ??? [2013-03-09 06:49:29 +0000 UTC]

I go to a Catholic school where we ALWAYS having masses and shit. It's like they're forcing us to believe, and I find it difficult to take any religion seriously if it involves magical demigods getting nailed to penises.

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Captain-Grumpy In reply to x-happilyinsane-x [2013-06-28 08:22:04 +0000 UTC]

>nailed to penises

I lol'd

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to Captain-Grumpy [2013-06-28 08:33:49 +0000 UTC]

The cross is symbolic of a penis. Yep.

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moucoy In reply to x-happilyinsane-x [2013-03-14 17:07:32 +0000 UTC]

You're not being forced to believe.
Called brainwashing.

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to moucoy [2013-03-15 04:31:35 +0000 UTC]

Weeeeellll...you haven't been to my school o.o'' Sometimes they'll just dump a bunch of whole religious stuff on us and be like "if you don't believe this then you don't deserve to be forgiven and you'll burn in the unholy fires of hell". A few years back a girl got suspended for "asking too many questions" in a religious education class.

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moucoy In reply to x-happilyinsane-x [2013-03-15 04:47:30 +0000 UTC]

Yes, basically brainwashing. Sounds pretty grungey saying like that, but its the only way to describe it.
Believe this and listen to this and abide by these rules? Eternal heaven.
Don't believe? Don't follow? You suffer forever in fire and death.
Ask too many questions? Get her out.
These are pretty much classic techniques for brainwashing.
-alleged Reward for following
-Great suffering and loss for not following
-Take out anyone who gets suspicious
Yep! basic techniques. Punishment, reward, control.
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?
Cough. Cough.

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to moucoy [2013-03-15 04:50:14 +0000 UTC]

Meh. I call it 'forcing'. Spanish inquisition? Only from Monty Python. Suspiciously, we haven't learnt anything about that yet.

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moucoy In reply to x-happilyinsane-x [2013-03-15 05:11:59 +0000 UTC]

Of course they're not going to say "Okay, a long time ago, the church went on a crazed murderous spree and horrible tortured people horridly, sometimes for made up reasons, such as witchcraft!" That would be stupid.
Cough. Might want to look it up.

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to moucoy [2013-03-15 05:16:59 +0000 UTC]

Well I know what it was, getting all curious after seeing it parodied on Monty Python.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION~

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moucoy In reply to x-happilyinsane-x [2013-03-22 17:27:42 +0000 UTC]

well I wasn't expecting a sort of Spanish inquisition.
Monty Python is just the best, omg.

Wait what were we talking about again?

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x-happilyinsane-x In reply to moucoy [2013-03-22 21:19:34 +0000 UTC]

Forcey-brainwashy religion. But Monty Python is more fun xD

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