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Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.
Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.
When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.
So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.
As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?
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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.
Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.
The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.
Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.
You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.
SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)
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Adding on some fun things for certain people:
The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.
Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.
Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.
Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.
Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!
Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.
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Aw thanks, I guess we'll see if it actually works when I eventually have kids haha
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Haha, well if it does, you should write a book. That way other parents can follow your example.
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Haha, perhaps I shall then!
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I don't overly plan to have kids, but if I do I want to raise my children to be as open-minded as possible, and this is roughly part of it. I agree wholeheartedly with pretty much everything you just said LOL; I plan to let them make up their minds on their own, and I may even avoid telling them that I'm deist for a while to have as little influence on their decision as possible.
Unfortunately...I actually grew up in a household where I had Christianity crammed down my throat myself, and I discovered pretty quickly that it didn't sit well with me. I just had way too many questions and didn't agree a lot of the time. Though I was eventually confirmed as a Christian (my parents' reasoning was, "so you can get married some day" and they essentially threatened to kick me out), I found myself to be way happier when I was able to move on and develop my own beliefs. Actually the irony about that is that I still can't get married anyways...at least not in this state. *shrug* that and that there's already secular marriage...so even if I wasn't confirmed I could well...you get the idea.
All of that said Science Sunday School sounds badass holy cow. I don't care if I'm 21 I would totally attend that. Oh another thing: I take it your Ex-Christians group doesn't just apply to atheists correct? Might I be able to join?
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That's great that you were able to find your own path! Sounds like you're a lot happier for it - and that's always really inspiring to hear, especially when it's coming from those who were raised in pretty strict households religiously speaking.
Haha, thanks! If I ever get Science Sunday School off the ground, I'll send ya an invite or something haha! If I ever do it, it'd probably be in Washington state -- and WA supports marriage equality, so that's an added bonus! Haha 
As for #Ex-Christians - Yup! The group applies to everyone who has deconverted from Christianity - religious and atheists alike. There are a lot of atheists there, but I'm fairly certain there are a few people of faith in there too!
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You should totally do it. 8D do some sweet demonstrations in it too~!
And wonderful! I think I might join then! I take it by what you said then there might be other deists in the group? I hardly even meet other deists so I think it would be an interesting experience if I did.
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Mm, maybe, I'm not certain because I haven't personally approved every membership request (the group itself belongs to ~Mephistophilez , so he has approved far more people than I have haha). Definitely take a look around though, I'm sure there are a few in there somewhere!
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I will raise my kids to bealive in god, but if they wanna think diffrentley they can.
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That's awesome!
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Anyone that would force their children to believe in something is a bad parent. End of story.
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True, forcing a kid to believe something would be pretty terrible. It's obviously better to allow them to come to their own conclusions
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why is this even a thing?
are you leaving out what someone said to you in your personal life about this? Im not asking what they said I just dont get the stamp.
Why not make a stamp that says you wont force your kids to drink milk.
That sunday school idea you described already exists. it's school.
Why do you want to copy the model of religion in a non religious context. It's bizarre.
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I should also add (since I forgot to in my previous comment) that yes, school exists. But when things like "creationism" are creeping into science classes, that's a problem. In my mind, the idea of a scientific Sunday School would be something akin to Bill Nye the Science Guy type things -- experiments where the kids are learning while they're having fun.
It's not about copying religion into a nonreligious context, but rather encouraging kids to have an active interest in science. There's nothing wrong with encouraging kids to think critically.
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", school exists. But when things like "creationism" are creeping into science classes,"
Wake up, you people are trying to get god off the one dollar bill. The country is now secular, congratulations.
Have them think critically so someone can tell them they came from rotting meat, and tomorrow science provides us that this is all an illusion and time isn't real.
Science can't even agree on what a planet is.
science is just glorified gossip. Gossip I happen to enjoy, but I can't believe people want to make a religion out of it.
sally forth.
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LOL "glorified gossip"! Yeah, "glorified gossip" gave us vaccines, electricity, computers, the internet, and pretty much every technical aspect of modern society. I think I'll stick to the gossiping labcoat guys.
BTW, we never came from rotting meat. The ruling scientific theory has it that we evolved from single cell beings into multi-celled beings, and then after an enormous amount of generations we've got a very diverse world of animal life, us included.
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vaccines which spawn virus's
computers that are used more for porn and facebook(which has it's own very obvious effects)
electricity powers all this.
science doesn't own all humans using their brains to solve problems. I suppose you could be technical and say it is science when man discovered fire. But i could also say it's science when someone discovers portable toilets dont smell good, like your argument...it stinks.
bee tee doubleyou- you don't understand context. if you did all text after beeteedoubleyou would not have occurred.
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Yeah, they don't. They protect you.
Uh huh. And for just about everything else we use computers for, from computing to emails.
When you use your mind to observe reality and make deductions from it, that's scientific method. Science has given us just about everything modern society rests on. If not for scientific advancmenet, we'd still have an average lifespan of thirty and complete ignorance of how the universe actually works.
QED.
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"When you use your mind to observe reality and make deductions from it, that's scientific method. "
We did this before it was labeled a "scientific method."
Average life expectancy is decreasing. You can look that up. Vaccines(you really need to do research on that, you only seem to know the surface of some things. And no im not a new-age parenting hippie), Their comes a time when vaccines did their job, and the promotion of constant new vaccines is greed, not for public health....cmon.
radiation emitted from electronics is killing people. What is causing the increase in disease? Go on, see if you'll find that answer on the surface. you wont, you gotta dig.
Also, the population is dumbing down(real housewives, jersey shore..and people actually watch it) \
people living until only 30 is a little misleading. If you lived past 10 in the "old days", you could live to be 80, all things assuming. It was not a crazy impossibility. But your point still valid.
Is it worth living longer if you live in a society where straight people want to pretend to be gay, whites want to be black, nerds want to be rock n rollers all the while doing homework, people say things like "really?", everyone has the same faschion, listens to the same shitty pop music, thinks drinking liquor is something that takes skill, women want equal rights until they mess up and they blame it on sexism, people who are "different" are praised for doing nothing at all so they can be exploited and everyone can have a false sense of "nice", a population full of politically correct weaklings who get off to "telling" on eachother. Fuck this new american society, fuck it all hell.
using 'incompetent' is now labeled as a racial code word. I am not making that up.
more people are wokring in slave labor now than any other time in history. For everything you have, someone in a foreign land has had something taken away from them. Your view of the world is very warped, you think everyone has acess to computers and vaccines...do you realize how many people dont even have water? Thank you Industrial revolution.
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Actually, the average lif expectancy back in medival times, for example, was just about thirty. Maybe fifty if you were upper class, and the upper class made out something like one percent or less. It's not misldeading, it's fact.
In a very short time period, our average lif expectancy as human beings went from thirty to fourty to something like sixty to seventy. Why? Because of increased personal wealth and scientific progress. We owe everything, and I mean everything to scientific study. Nitpicking a few idiotic little complaints like "well computers are also used for porn!" is not only simpleminded and ignorant, but idiotic.
Uh huh. Don't confuse your anger with normativity in society with anger for human progress- those two are different things.
I never said that everyone has access to them. I said that because of science, we have those things at all. Without science, no vaccines, no computers, no electricity, no internet, no cars, no anything. We'd still be living in caves.
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" Nitpicking a few idiotic little complaints like "well computers are also used for porn!"
again, you are very child like in your thoughts.
im not talking about a society that jacks off.
im talking about a society or large population that can not stop jacking off and it is ruining lives.
"Uh huh. Don't confuse your anger with normativity in society with anger for human progress- those two are different things. "
What did this add? This was stupid.
"I never said that everyone has access to them. I said that because of science, we have those things at all. Without science, no vaccines, no computers, no electricity, no internet, no cars, no anything. We'd still be living in caves."
More child like thoughts by you. everyone has a computer, money grows are tree's, yipee!
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Argumentum Ad Hominem.
What does that have to do with this discussion?
I was referencing all that rage you had about black wanting to be white and vice versa et cetera et cetera. It was irrelevant.
...I never. Ever. Said. That. It may be true that a minority holds a majority of the earths resources, and that there's much misery without it- but without science, nobody would have anything. This modern society wouldn't be able to function.
So quit projecting you little hate onto me, and quit putting words in my mouth.
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Ad hominem..your last post had this in it
" and I mean everything to scientific study. Nitpicking a few idiotic little complaints like "well computers are also used for porn!" is not only simpleminded and ignorant, but idiotic. "
"I was referencing all that rage you had about black wanting to be white and vice versa et cetera et cetera. It was irrelevant. "
Just because you only care about yourself and are not able to think about people and societies as a whole does not make it irreverent. You brought up computers in your argument...you talked about them as supremely good, and I debunked this by showcasing what behaviors computers are inducing.
Promotion of stupid television shows, a one nation culture because everyone is connected to the internet, a rise in political correctness that is destroying the country and writing horrible policy(or lack thereof), and a large populous that cant stop jacking off(addiction, like people's marriages are being ruined...or kids are flunking out of school, etc They chose to do it, but nonetheless the point remains valid). All this is detrimental to society. But you dont care because it doesnt effect you because you only care about you. Whatever, that fine, but it is relevant.
And for someone who propels them self as a lover of science, you were very silent when a journal entry discussing time travel was posted.
No hate is being projected onto you, you give yourself to much credit (I also brought up a point about people becoming emotionally weaker....*suddenly a doorbell rings*)
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At least I damn well addressed your point.
It's irrelevant because that's not what we were talking about. That's it. We were discussing science, and suddenly, hate on society.
Societal issues that have real merit to be discussed, but irrelevant to this discussion.
Yeah, because as a lover of science I must comment on every single entry on science ever to be qualified to like science.
I said:
"Because of science, we have all of these really good things like vaccines, the internet and electricity."
What you apparently must have heard was "We live in a literal paradise where everyone has internet and nobody is sick!"
Well, I said no such bullshit. You are putting words in my mouth, and I've had enough of that.
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"It's irrelevant because that's not what we were talking about. "
yes it is. you just cant make the connection.
"What you apparently must have heard was "We live in a literal paradise where everyone has internet and nobody is sick!"
Well, I said no such bullshit. You are putting words in my mouth, and I've had enough of that."
i am putting no words in your mouth. Your rhetoric is that of "science will lead to all peace on earth and is responsible for all good"
Helping your neighbor rebuild there house isnt science.(yes..it is relevant)
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Maybe if you bothered to tell me what the connection is, instead of just randomly spewing your rage about it, it would be relevant.
I neither said nor implied anything like it. I only said- and this is factual- that we owe all technical aspects of modern society to science. That's the full extent of my claim. I did not make it out to be the road to salvation, that was you making assumptions.
So yes, you've put words in my mouth all along. You assumed I stood by claims I do not.
Yeah, I wager it isn't. Relevance?
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the explanation as to how it is relevant is all there. I cant make you get 2 plus 2 equals 4. you dont understand that concept. sorry.
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Way to dodge the question, bro.
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you arnt asking questions, this is just desperation by you.
you dont understand anything I say.
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So very convenient, isn't it? You get to act superior instead of justifying yourself in a debate, without having to do any work. All from just refusing to explqain what you mean!
...yeah, I don't understand what you say at all. Probably because you make vague statements, act like they are obvious, and refuse to say what you mean when called on it. Cool story, bro.
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I have explained my self 3 different times and you keep asking the same questions with different words. it's tiring repeating to yourself.
I am connecting humans to science, and the consequences advancements have created for humanity, advancements that give the illusion to make our lives better but actually act as a prison. <---woop there it is
and i dont think im superior to anyone, get a grip.
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You explained nothing. You hopped from science to social issues, and refused to explain how they connected. Maybe it's obvious to me, but maybe you should also consider that it isn't obvious to everyone else.
Well, just say so instead of condescending me for not understanding that right off the bat. It's not a case of 2+2=4 at all.
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social science is a science.
next time I wont assume you understand and will try to better write out what i'm saying. I forget sometimes your not right here talking to me, but reading from a computer.
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Not sure, but it's still not the same.
It's all right, man. I know what it's like to misunderstand and be misunderstood.
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1. The United States is, always has been, and will continue to be, a nation founded on secular principles. Our government was designed to be secular. Don't congratulate me -- congratulate the founding fathers.
-You will find absolutely NO MENTION of God in the United States Constitution . It is a secular document, and it in no way appeals to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any other sort of supernatural being.
-The 1st Amendment makes it abundantly clear that our government can not show preference of any one religion over another, legally, that is not allowed. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" What part of that statement says, "By the way, America was founded on Christian principles, and therefore the Judeo-Christian concept of God must be plastered all over our money, our courtroom walls, and stuffed into our flag's pledge"?
-The Treaty of Tripoli states quite clearly that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." How much simpler must I put this? The United States was ALREADY secular.
2. NASA: What is a planet? - Here's your definition.
3. Science is not "gossip." It is, by definition, a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. Gossip, by definition, is idle talk or rumor about the personal and/or private affairs of others. There is a vast difference between testable evidence, rigorous peer evaluation and understanding, and finding out whether or not Johnny is cheating on Susie.
4. Science is not a religion. Science is based off of evidence. Religion is based off of faith - a feeling that you get when you think about X, Y, and Z. There is a colossal difference between 'that warm feeling you get when you think about Jesus,' and being able to examine evidence that you have in order to come to a conclusion from it.
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Although secularism calls for government policy without bias from religion..the founding fathers got our constitutions principles from the bible. sorry. Blame the founding fathers
The founding fathers didn't want a secular nation, in the sense atheist want it. They wanted a nation where people could practice religions freely, as our city halls, town squares, hang Christmas lights and Christmas trees. We have god present in our pledge, on our currency. The list would go on but atheists won't stop throwing a fit about this and have had everything else removed. When you debate with the dictionary, you lose.
moving on.
2.) What is that the new definition? Did they just write it in 2006 after pluto was denounced as a planet? You can never be wrong when you are constantly changing the "fact" nice try though.
also part of the definition you provided from nasa " third, it must have cleared other objects out of the way in its orbital neighborhood. " What is clearing enough objects? How many objects must be cleared, or how much space need be present? Not clear cut. you lose.
3. are you really this dense? Here, I will speak your language and pull out the dictionary.
hyperbole: obvious and intentional exaggeration <--that right there trumps argument number 3 by you. sorry. The dictionary has done you wrong.
4. Once again...I have to ask you to revert back to what I said I talked about how you want to treat science like a religion .
your comment-" Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists" <--- that comment contradicts your argument number 4. sorry. you have to be consistent when you debate, and not jump all over the place in a dictionary desperation(i'm not actually calling you a dictionary)
side note- you make claims about not giving out personal information, but tell strangers what you think about in the shower.
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Fun fact: Not all of the founding fathers believed in the Bible. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison for example were Deists. They werenβt the only ones, either.
Again, our Constitution does not mention God. Nowhere. Please, Ctrl+F on that page I linked to you, type in βGod.β Type in βJesus.β You fill find nothing in there regarding God. Nor will you find anything in there concerning worshiping God. You will not find anything about what sort of animals to sacrifice to God. You will not find anything about keeping the Sabbath holy. You will not find anything about what sort of punishments to dole out to homosexuals, non-virgins, unruly children, etc. Itβs simply not in there.
You do not seem to comprehend the fact that the United States is not a wholly Christian nation. Not everyone is Christian. There are other faiths in existence among our population, and even non-religious folks, such as myself. So then, if we are a nation made up of many different religious positions, who all view our respective positions to be the correct ones, why should we sit idly by and watch as our government caters to one religion in particular? Legally, the government cannot show bias towards one religion or the other. Small things like the Ten Commandments on public land and nativity scenes are examples of the government showing preference of one religion over the others. Itβs insulting, itβs illegal, and that is why people speak out against it.
Hereβs a little history lesson for you:
The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 and did not include the words βunder God.β Those words were not added until 1954. Itβs similar to βIn God We Trustβ being set as our national motto and put on our money β that was established as the national motto in 1956. The reason? The fear of godless communism. It was a McCarthy-era attempt to link patriotism with religious piety to distinguish the United States from those icky godless Soviets.
When you debate with history, you lose.
2. Yes, science is constantly changing β do you want to know why? Because we are learning more. Because we experiment and discover new things, new technologies, compare new data and debate theories. Thatβs exactly the point of science.
3. Calling me stupid and dense is really flattering, and totally makes you win this argument. Good job. Your mommy would be proud.
4. Yes, I did say βAtheistsβ in my description. Allow me to expand upon this: as a child, I attended Sunday School occasionally. Within Sunday School, you create social connections. A community of like-minded people. Now, I can see how you could interpret the religious aspects of something like Sunday School being applied to science. Thatβs not the case. Notice that I said, βregardless of faithβ at the end of my description there. My little βScience Sunday Schoolβ idea would not be one of religion or faith, seeing as children belonging to all faiths would be welcome to come along, based off of their interest in science. A community of like-minded people, coming together over a shared interest. Is that so hard to grasp? (Whoops, suggesting that you might be a tad dense - golly, that was a bit inconsistent of me!)
Side note: I made claims that I donβt share personal information? Awesome, could you point me to them? Getting a bit nitpicky there, arenβt you buddy?
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"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." by Thomas Jefferson
Your dictionary definition is running out. I gave examples where in our country god is written, and you elude it, mismatch the facts, and just vomit more nothingness.
I dont need a history lesson on a bunch of "fun facts" that only act as a guise to you having no argument whatsoever.
2. Yes and what was definitively true, is then found to be wrong. Then it happens again. And again.
3. argument number 3 by you was really lame... You being an atheist must make your mommy or whoever your getting back at proud.
4. " Now, I can see how you could interpret the religious aspects "
So you want to create a sunday school for atheist..modeled after your sunday school experience...and what you posted in argument 4 disputes what I said how? ****Rrrruuuuuuuuu plane crash*******
side note- "Should I clarify the most intimate details of my life leading up to the creation of every single stamp of mine, just to make you feel a little less confused? If you'd like, I could. "
The above statements denotes you dont need to clarify(or share) your most intimate details. The statement at the end was kattyness(reasonably so, we are debating) Then I called you out on it, and you chose to give intimate details out, not fooling anyone as to the cause behind why you gave those very details away.
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You want to play quotes? Okay.
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say that there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
--Thomas Jefferson.
1. You offered examples in which God is written into our country. And I offered you the reasons why they are there, and why they legally should not be. That is not the same as vomiting "more nothingness," dear, that's called presenting an argument. Perhaps you should pick up a history book sometime, because if you cannot even do this, then I have absolutely nothing to discuss with you any further. I will not play teacher for you.
2. Yes, it does happen, again and again. Like I said, that's exactly the point. We test and retest and challenge and test again to try and figure out just the way that the universe works. I'd rather be corrected than be told the same comforting lie over and over.
3. Yeah, good one. I am an atheist, therefore I must be rebelling against this that or the other thing, right? Here's a fun experiment: Do you believe in Zeus, Thor, or Ra? No? If not, then you're an atheist concerning those gods in particular. Should I be asking you who you're rebelling against, to have such a blatant lack of faith for those gods? That is what you're saying to me - that because I don't believe in your god(s), I must be rebelling. That's the most absurd thing I've heard all day.
4. I believe you missed the entire point about the social, community aspect of it. The Christian concept of Sunday School is there to worship. This Science club would be there to learn and connect with people (of. any. faith.) with an interest in science.
5. My sarcastic response was directed at the impression I was receiving from you that I somehow wasn't giving enough explanation as to my motives behind making my stamps. You don't often comment on my things, but I'm sure that if you hung around a little more you'd see that I'm actually a pretty open person. I guess I should save my sarcasm for people who comment more frequently in that case - clearly you do not know me as a person on this website very well.
Again, if you're going to continue to deny history, deny what the constitution says, and deny facts in general - I have nothing more to say. It's impossible to have a decent conversation with someone who lives in some sort of bizarre alternate reality.
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OH SNAP! If you weren't married, I'd propose to you on the spot.
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Haha aw, youuuuuu!
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You so Hitchens, man! So Hitchens!
Srsly tho, that guy is a pain in the rectum and your rebuttals were spot on.
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Haha thanks. I actually just bought God is not Great, I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty excited to.
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I read it... it's actually a little disappointing. Hitchens is very eloquent, but it's basically him just mentioning one example of bad religious deeds after another, and he generalizes religion. It's more like a very long rant about how bad it all is than a good criticism of a problem.
He provides no citations, either. I don't believe he lies to us, but it would be nice to be able to look it up. The God Delusion had better structure IMHO.
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Mm that's a bummer. I'm currently about halfway through the God Delusion actually. I've also got Jesus, Interrupted waiting for me, which I've read bout 1/6 of the way through on, haha. Lots to read.
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It was a letdown, because I really like Christopher Hitchens. Ultimately, I suppose that to the point criticism done in a scientific manner is better than oratory skill.
How are you likeing the God Delusion, by the way?
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I'm really liking it, it's very interesting! Sometimes it's almost like he's crawling into my brain and piecing together all the little thoughts I've never been able to articulate, haha. It's wonderful, so glad that I bought it.
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It's a very good book. Contains all of those basic arguments, although I don't agree with exactly everything. Almost, though.
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I think I love you.
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Haha, aw thanks 
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