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Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.
Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.
When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.
So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.
As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?
Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.
Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.
The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.
Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.
You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.
SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)
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Adding on some fun things for certain people:
The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.
Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.
Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.
Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.
Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!
Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.
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Comments: 919
Slendermansbrother In reply to ??? [2014-12-10 14:51:01 +0000 UTC]
but I bet you'll be bringing up God a lot
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ToastyBrain In reply to Slendermansbrother [2014-12-11 02:13:53 +0000 UTC]
I probably won't, as I rarely do now. For once I actually get nauseous when speaking about religion (which again, I rarely do.) or hearing a conversation I can't really get away from.
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RuetheFox In reply to ??? [2014-11-02 12:03:01 +0000 UTC]
I am being forces into catholic when i want to be christian. It's their own choice. No offense but, there is a quote that says "one who thinks sitting in church will make them a christian must also think sitting in a garage can make them a car." Well, ur choice.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 16:09:07 +0000 UTC]
Catholic is Christian. They're goin' to Church because it's the proper way to show respect for God.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-02 16:12:59 +0000 UTC]
Well, catholic is Christian in a way, but catholics believe in saints and where i live, they worship mary as if she had as almost much power and authority as God himself. I know u show respect by it but for me it just not does feel right.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 16:19:38 +0000 UTC]
We do not worship Mary. We give her the veneration she deserves as Queen of Heaven.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-02 16:50:15 +0000 UTC]
Queen of Heaven? Well, no ofense but God chose her because she was from The tribe of Judah, was virgin, numarried, and descendant of David. Also i mean over here where i live
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 18:01:54 +0000 UTC]
Catholics don't worship her anywhere.
She wasn't descended from David, her husband Joseph was.ย
From the moment of her conception in the womb of St. Anne the LORD spared her from the stain of Original Sin upon her soul that she may be able to bare the presence of the Word within her body.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-02 18:35:47 +0000 UTC]
Well, my family kinda does. Well, i guess u are right about Joseph. But are you telling me she never sinned? Hosting Jesus or not, she was human. All Humans have sinful nature no matter what. Jesus was a different case. But there is no way she could be completly pure from all sin. Well, That's what i know.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 18:55:44 +0000 UTC]
All humans sin because they have a natural inclination towards it due to Original Sin. Since she was born free of it, she was capable to live life without sinning.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-02 19:00:19 +0000 UTC]
Well, where does it say that in the Bible?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 19:35:07 +0000 UTC]
We know it through the Sacred Tradition handed down to us by the Church Fathers.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-02 21:03:17 +0000 UTC]
Who are they and how do they know?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 23:02:54 +0000 UTC]
You don't know who the Church Fathers are or what the Sacred Tradition is?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-02 23:36:05 +0000 UTC]
I would think someone in Latin America would know something that basic about the Faith.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-03 00:43:29 +0000 UTC]
Well, i just read the Bible in school. I am not really very concerned about history of religions (i mean, what people such as popes did)
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-03 00:48:43 +0000 UTC]
What makes Catholicism closer to the truth than the Protestants is that we know God's revelation didn't end with Christ's ascension.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-03 11:48:18 +0000 UTC]
...God's message didn't end with Christ's ascension.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-03 18:36:08 +0000 UTC]
Well, i know about the Revelation and i learn about Bible related stuff in school. Well, but popes and those things at first was easy to learn about them But after stydying a bit, it became impossible (I'm sรณ wierd!). Well, not all christians or protestantes are like me.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-03 20:10:45 +0000 UTC]
Saying Protestants and Christians is repetitive since Protestants are Christians.
So how has this made you wish to leave the Faith?
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-03 20:57:39 +0000 UTC]
Leave faith? Does that mean quite believing in God? I do Belive in Him. I just said i would not force my kids because everyone had The right to chose just like we probably had. I actually Did not want to be Christian at first because my mother would always force me to pray and do Those stuff and she was (no offense) kinda of a bad influence. She always hit me and yelled at everyone. When i went to my Christian school, no One forced me to decide. I felt more loved there than by my own family do i dicided to follow God on my own. The thing is, no One wants to get painted by The colors other people chose. Well, if u think i don't lnow enough, just to know, I'm only fourteen (not saying kids my age can't know certain stuff).
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-03 21:16:56 +0000 UTC]
It means leave the Church.
Finding your own way to God, I have found, is usually a whole lot of nonsense people say when they want to give up the actual religion and act like they're spiritual because of it.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-03 21:26:53 +0000 UTC]
Going to church might not make someone a Christian. It os what u Belive that counts. Being with Christians and spending time with other christains to learn a and pray is not The same thing. If u Belive Jesus died and came back for us and are willing to give your life to Him, ur basicly a Christian. U don't need rituals and all to become a Christian or have God accept u. I'm not saying church is bad, I'm just sayin not going to church (because u can't or don't eant to) does not keep you from being a Christian
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-03 22:49:06 +0000 UTC]
It doesn't matter what you believe unless you express your faith via good works.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-07 21:46:21 +0000 UTC]
Well true, except for some exceptions
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-07 21:56:28 +0000 UTC]
That's exactly what Christ said. It doesn't matter how prayerful you are, you have to do good works for other or you are not worthy of Heaven.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-07 23:38:04 +0000 UTC]
Well, i know that, but no offense but, if you believe in evolution, u would be defying the Bible and we need to believe the Bible to be christian right?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-07 23:59:05 +0000 UTC]
No. To be Christian requires you follow Christ. And to truly follow Christ you must be aware that Bronze Age shepherds had absolutely no scientific knowledge and apply what Christ really wanted to the modern era through knowledge of God's natural moral law.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-08 01:09:44 +0000 UTC]
Well, u can be right. Ill ask my Bible teacher
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-08 01:16:38 +0000 UTC]
That's exactly what the Church teaches.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-08 17:17:13 +0000 UTC]
Church is not always right. God and the Bible are.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-08 17:57:00 +0000 UTC]
The Church has been tasked for two thousand years with continuing the carrying of God's message. And the Bible was written at the time where slavery and murdering homosexuals was acceptable practice. There needs to be somebody interpreting it to the modern era.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-08 18:05:04 +0000 UTC]
The Bible is Gods message. The first books were written by Moses. The last ones by Paul. The Bible was hand written by Special men with Special close that would Finnish a sentence before talking to a king who entende their Special room and if did a singl mistake would start all over. It was the first thing to be printer on an actual printer.ย
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-08 18:07:12 +0000 UTC]
1) You have terrible English.
2) It was written by Moses, a slave-holding man in the Bronze Age.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-09 04:13:18 +0000 UTC]
Though Moses, God freed the slaves from egypt and allowed the tribe of Judah to "generate" Jesus. Jesus mentioned him at least 18 times. I have no idea what the bronze age is. And my english is kinda bad because i live in Brasil, my school is not that modern (not complaning about it) and i use i pad to go on devianart.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-09 04:24:03 +0000 UTC]
Moses lived in the Bronze Age-as in the era before people discovered how to use iron. It's preposterous to think that the same laws of that time are applicable to the modern era.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-09 12:50:45 +0000 UTC]
How do you know he lived on this "bronze age"?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-09 18:02:08 +0000 UTC]
Because we know the Old Testament in four thousand years old.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-09 20:51:32 +0000 UTC]
How do you know it was written 4 thousand years ago?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-10 11:46:21 +0000 UTC]
Because we do. That's what the archaeologist and historians and antiquarians and such say.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-26 19:14:28 +0000 UTC]
Oh, now i get it. But still, how do u know moses supported slavery?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-26 19:51:09 +0000 UTC]
Because everyone back then did.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-26 21:03:06 +0000 UTC]
Have you ever read a history book?
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