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Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.
Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.
When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.
So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.
As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?
Edit:
I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.
Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.
The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.
Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.
You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.
SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)
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Adding on some fun things for certain people:
The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.
Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.
Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.
Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.
Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!
Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.
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Comments: 919
PeteSeeger In reply to ??? [2014-11-26 21:11:50 +0000 UTC]
Because you should know that slavery has existed forever.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-26 23:11:24 +0000 UTC]
it was first mentioned in Exodus, history books are not always right. does slavery exist now?
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-27 12:00:16 +0000 UTC]
Where? And how do u know it existed before moses?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-27 17:53:59 +0000 UTC]
Because Moses only existed around 2000 BC
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-27 20:44:53 +0000 UTC]
Watt does it have to do with it?
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-28 00:40:08 +0000 UTC]
As I said, slavery has existed for as long as mankind if not longer and Moses was only born in the 2000s BC.
And it still exists in Third World countries where the rule of law is weak.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-28 01:31:21 +0000 UTC]
How do u know it existed that long? History books is not an acurate answer in my eyes
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-28 18:16:06 +0000 UTC]
History books arent always right. I once read one And if said stuff having NOTHING to do with what i was looking for. I was researching about Pompeii and ir said pompeii was The capital of Italy and Rome was destroyed on The explosion of mt AUGUSTINE. There were many others saying complete inacurate information. U get it?
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-11-29 20:22:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't remember the title. It was about five years ago. It was some book at my school libary. I remember two of the authors were called: Richard and John (i dont know their last names). Yet, the whole book was totaly inacturate. There were others with inacturate stuff too.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-11-29 21:21:32 +0000 UTC]
You need to give me some actual information if I'm going to find whether or not it's considered a legitimate source.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-12-17 01:11:41 +0000 UTC]
I know, but as i said, i read it a long time ago and i don't even remember what was on the cover. Those names are my only connectionk to the source of the book (kinda hard to explain)
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-12-17 02:32:45 +0000 UTC]
Then you have no proof. It's that similar.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-12-17 19:10:56 +0000 UTC]
I know, yet what I'm trying to tell you right now is that i don't trust history books. SΓ³ other than history books, do you have any proof slavery existed as long as mankind? That is what I'm trying to ask you. Also, what we began this conversation of ours is that you said you would make your kids to to church but what i am trying to tell you is that if you do sΓ³, you can haunt them or influence them to want it away from their lives, like with me. My parents made me go to church and said they believed in God but would fight a lot and i disliked going to church and i believed that if i became on of God's i would be like that, sΓ³ i decided to turn away from God. That was until my school pulled me back lightly and without forcing me to. I decided i wanted to be like them instead and became Christian. I now know that everyone is different, but young ones might not. I'm not saying church is bad, I'm saying it might not influence the right way if you make them go to it.Β
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-12-18 02:46:20 +0000 UTC]
What do you see as evidence for what happened in history?
I don't care. If/when I have children, like it or not I will raise them in the Catholic faith.
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-12-19 18:47:02 +0000 UTC]
Well, ancient acriputures don't count as History Books to me and you can find several other ways to know about History without books.
Well, if/when u have children it's up to u how to raise them, i was just letting u know that sΓ³ u can be aware of it and it's only a suggestion that it might be better to let them find God alone.
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-12-20 00:36:25 +0000 UTC]
Ancient Scriptures don't do shit for history.
How, outside of books can you learn about history?
If they aren't guided, then how the Hell will they?
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RuetheFox In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-12-24 17:44:03 +0000 UTC]
If ancientscripture don't help history, then how come we know of Vesuvius' explosion that destroyed Ponpeii? a guy who saw it worte it down and The scripture was later found. If not, we would be clueless with what happened to Pompeii.
Since you don't know of any other way, i will accept history books Then
And what i meant with letting them find Alone i meant that like teach it but not forcing it on them. Teaching them brief stuff or putting them in a school that teaches it but does not require them to know is okay. Get it? I think on my other i wrote wrong stuff
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PeteSeeger In reply to RuetheFox [2014-12-24 19:14:38 +0000 UTC]
That's not scripture. That's a historical record.
Hebrews 12:11Β Now all chastisement for the present indeed seemeth not to bring with it joy, but sorrow: but afterwards it will yield, to them that are exercised by it, the most peaceable fruit of justice.
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Randomrainbowz101 In reply to ??? [2014-10-25 06:26:24 +0000 UTC]
I was basically dragged into Christianity when I was little, twe looked for a better church that was right for us, and we found Unitarian universalism. I won't force my kids to be uus or Christians. Ill just let them believe what they want to.
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BeatlesandWebkinz In reply to ??? [2014-10-11 21:07:04 +0000 UTC]
I was forced to believe in god, good thing that I wanted to anyway...
I'm going to sort of make my kids believe in god since I (my own opinion) don't believe in evolution.Β
I'm not going to make them go to church all of the time or anything, i'm just gonna baptize them (Hey, I was...) and teach them about god and jesus a little. Hey, maybe even vacation bible school? (I went to those.. xD)Β
I probably sound like the biggest douche right now.
At least i'm not going to stop them from loving/liking who/what they like.
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Melnazar In reply to BeatlesandWebkinz [2014-11-05 16:56:28 +0000 UTC]
You claim not to accept evolution, why?
After all, it is, like all scientific theories, a model which explains a particular things observed based on empirical evidence and experimentation. In this case, it's the diversity of life.Β So why not accept what is observed?
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BeatlesandWebkinz In reply to Melnazar [2014-11-05 19:40:32 +0000 UTC]
Because I do not believe in it. Freedom of religion.
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Melnazar In reply to BeatlesandWebkinz [2014-11-05 22:18:40 +0000 UTC]
Except that a scientific theory is not a religion...
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BeatlesandWebkinz In reply to Melnazar [2014-11-05 23:23:17 +0000 UTC]
Did I say that atheism is a religion? No.
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Melnazar In reply to BeatlesandWebkinz [2014-11-05 23:48:23 +0000 UTC]
We're talking about evolution here, a scientific theory, not atheism which is merely a lack of belief in any deities.
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BeatlesandWebkinz In reply to Melnazar [2014-11-06 00:26:11 +0000 UTC]
Meh meh meh meh meh meh meh.....
I don't believe in evolution because it is against my religion. Alright? :/
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Melnazar In reply to BeatlesandWebkinz [2014-11-06 01:01:02 +0000 UTC]
Ok, so you refuse what is observed (thus real) because of your religion. It clarifies what you meant. Thank you.
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speedysketch In reply to ??? [2014-10-04 05:52:10 +0000 UTC]
me dad does it...
totally fine bro..
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darkfireth1 In reply to ??? [2014-09-29 23:07:25 +0000 UTC]
Religion is crazy nowadays.
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TyrantRainfire In reply to ??? [2014-09-26 04:01:49 +0000 UTC]
I'm Christian, but I won't do that. Its their choice c:
When I get married and have kids and such, that is
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periclipsa In reply to ??? [2014-09-15 02:05:23 +0000 UTC]
My mom forces me to go to church every sunday, and I'm athiest. I told her and she was all like "God please forgive you". -_- She forces me to pray every night before I go to bed and now is making me go to a youth group on Wednesday nights. u_u"
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ToastyBrain In reply to periclipsa [2014-11-13 19:23:19 +0000 UTC]
Ditto, my parents are Christian but I'm Atheist, they don't make me go to church anymore, hell, the only one who goes now is my dad. I honestly hate religion with a passion.
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periclipsa In reply to ToastyBrain [2014-11-13 19:45:41 +0000 UTC]
Ahhh you're lucky, I'm glad they don't force you to go to church. uvu"
When I become 18 in 2 and a half years, I am going to literally cut off with ANYTHING religious at all.
I just wanna be free tbh, I'm not gonna pray to a god that I don't believe in. :/
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ToastyBrain In reply to periclipsa [2014-11-13 21:12:07 +0000 UTC]
I see no reason to pray to a god who screws his creations over again and again. Btw, I'm turning 18 in a few months. =3=
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periclipsa In reply to ToastyBrain [2014-11-14 02:44:43 +0000 UTC]
Lucky you! :3 Sadly I'm still a 15 year old sophomore. ;-;
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ToastyBrain In reply to periclipsa [2014-11-14 18:45:41 +0000 UTC]
Just hang in there, you'll be outta there before you know it. :3
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GreaserDemon In reply to ??? [2014-09-11 01:08:32 +0000 UTC]
just like my mama :3
never forced me, never babtized me
she let me have that choice to do or not do, when I grow up.
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XxPunkGoesPupXx In reply to ??? [2014-08-18 13:12:02 +0000 UTC]
My parents are both christian, I'm atheist.
They never judged me and supported me.
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ClosetWizard In reply to XxPunkGoesPupXx [2014-10-19 00:06:49 +0000 UTC]
Lucky. .n.
My parents believe I have no right to an opinion. If I disagree, they threaten to beat me. Same with politely telling them I don't like church or calmly asking if I can stay home when they go. I've even tried twice to come out to them about me being gay, but they refuse and tell me satan creates homosexuals.
Don't you just love parents sometimes?
*sarcasmΒ
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XxPunkGoesPupXx In reply to ClosetWizard [2014-10-19 04:50:33 +0000 UTC]
Honestly man, I'd call the police if they threaten you like that.:/
Parents should love their kid(s) no matter what, it shouldn't matter what they wear or what their sexuality is.
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ClosetWizard In reply to XxPunkGoesPupXx [2014-10-19 04:55:23 +0000 UTC]
They do love me, it's just hard to get past their stubborn views. I've only got 4 more years left until I officially come out to them, so I can manage. It's just too complicated because my mom has really bad stress problems and recently stopped smoking causing her to be grumpy every day.Β
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XxPunkGoesPupXx In reply to ClosetWizard [2014-10-19 04:57:21 +0000 UTC]
Still though, threatening your own kid is a bit extreme don't you think?O_o;
Anyway, I've never smoked so idk how it effects you when you quit I guess.lol
Just hang in there, if you ever need someone to talk to then don't be afraid to note me or anything.:3
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ClosetWizard In reply to XxPunkGoesPupXx [2014-10-19 05:00:50 +0000 UTC]
They believe it's okay, but I just agree now and go to church to avoid yelling.Β
since she smoked for a long time, she's recently been gaining weight due to just having surgery and quitting the habit. It's really tough for her and I've heard her say several times that she's gonna start smoking again.Β
Thank you
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XxPunkGoesPupXx In reply to ClosetWizard [2014-10-19 05:05:16 +0000 UTC]
Ugh, I went to church a few times when I was little but, eventually, they quit making me go sense I'll I'd do there was cause trouble.lol
Yeah my Dad is trying to quit too, he eats candy to help. Like gum or suckers. o3o
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ClosetWizard In reply to XxPunkGoesPupXx [2014-10-19 12:50:55 +0000 UTC]
lol
omg that's what my mom did. We bought like a big box of suckers for her. lol
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XxPunkGoesPupXx In reply to ClosetWizard [2014-10-20 09:32:30 +0000 UTC]
That should help then.:3
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