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"What if GOD* is the BAD guy?"*Referring to the God of the Bible
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If that was true I would quit Chrisitianity in a heart beat and enjoy the rest of my life. I would be pissed that I wasted 18 years on the religion though.
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Haha, well to be honest that's what I hear most from many ex-Christians, that they feel it was just a waste of time.
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It's just the fact that if I quit I don't want to fake being religious with my folks. I kind of drift in and out, but that makes me feel like a shitty Christian. I do believe that there is some higher being and that some bits of the Bible are good structures for a basic society, but I come from a unique family. My immediate family excluding my dad know I'm gay and love me, my grandma hates gays and think we're going to burn in Hell(which she tries to tone it down by saying "they won't see the kingdom of God". That still means we'll burn in Hell grandma!!!), my favorite aunt doesn't like them, her new husband hates them and so on. Quite frankly I don't want to push the envelope with the only family that I knows I'm gay and still loves me regardless. I know they'll still love me, but I don't want to risk it and it won't really make me happy if I quit Christianity and act as if I were just so they don't get suspecious.
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Mm yeah, I know what you mean. I was lucky enough to have immediate family that wasn't very religious in the first place, but I've heard from many ex-Christians about how they had to be quiet about their differences in faith around relatives until they at least moved out. Many still put on the Christian mask around family, but sometimes it's just easier to be yourself, instead of having to put up a fake front in order to please others.
I might suggest looking into Deism, actually - Deists believe in God without having a need for organized religion. It's very interesting and I've been trying to learn more about it - but you might find it interesting at least to read 
Modern Deism - about Deism, its history, its beliefs.
Religious Tolerance.org's About Deism: About the God who created the universe, set it going, left, and hasn't been seen since
Famous Deists listed on Wikipedia including Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jeffersone, Voltaire, and more.
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It's the fact that due to recent turn in lifestyle that they are content and feel the need to give reverence to God for their happy lifestyle or a better finiancial standing. I don't know. I just fear that I'll lose my family, because in the end that's all you have at the end of the day.
Deism sound awesome! 
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No worries, glad I could help!
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It's kind of funny if you think about it if this happens. Someone asks me "Hey, how did you become Deist?" and I'll say "Uh, someone told me about it on a DA stamp." XD
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Based on everything I've read from various sources over the years, I can't characterize the nonexistant god of Christianity as anything other than a megalomaniac and a neurotic sadist. Why anyone would worship such a fiend is beyond me.
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So I'm not the only one who see it thank you. For a few years there I thought I was alone. lol
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Mass delusions can do wonders.
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If god's the bad guy, then hell should be the place where the good little boys and girls go.
I'mma go kill a nun now.
DISCLAIMER: not really gonna kill any nuns, no jail for me thanks.
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Can I help? pls
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Lol, go ahead and help out. There's about over 9000 nuns around here and they all gotta die
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Cool, womder what I can you my bow and arrow or my dad's shot guy, wait I think he sold it. So I'll use my bow and arrows.
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I've actually wondered this before.
On the flip side: what if He's exactly what Christians say He is?
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Anything's possible. Though from what I understand, through the comments of others who have posted here, since the Christian God is meant to be the 'alpha and the omega,' and all that, technically he is evil, as well as good. Soooooo! Yup!
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"Alpha and omega" means "the beginning and the end". At least, that's how I always understood it. (If memory serves, Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and Omega is the last.)
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."~Revelations 2:13 KJV
It's seems to be an expression of power more than anything.
I know some apologists will argue that evil is the absence of good, just as cold is the absence of heat...which makes sense and doesn't make sense at the same time, IMO.
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Hmm, well I mean if he's supposed to have created all things, surely that means he's created evil as well. 
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To alot of people, there is no "what if God was the bad-guy". Too many people are quick to blame him for human mistakes and whatnot, I am pretty sure they'd be all up for him being evil instead of good, given the question.
This stamp came off merely as passive aggressive to me.
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I suppose it's possible that it might have come across as passive aggressive, however it wasn't my intention to "attack" anyone as some are claiming. I'm merely posing a question meant to ask people to further inspect their beliefs, and if that means that their beliefs are reinforced because of it, that's wonderful. I'm happy so long as people actually sit back and think about what they believe, instead of just blindly following without question. If I remember correctly you're one of the few who actually have taken time to think about why you believe what you do, so I'm glad for that. There need to be more people out there who are willing to ask themselves about what they believe instead of just covering their ears and humming whenever they're posed with a tough question about their beliefs.
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I agree with that but I think most people are also talking about the events that happen in the Bible such events that according to the book god himself did.
some of the rules are really fishy and kind of evil in the old testament even trough it doesn't count anymore some of the rules should not have been written in the first place.
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Someone once counted the how many people God kills and how many people Satan kills at the Bible. Satan did not kill much but God was a serial killer. So if someone really loves life and wants to believe to the Bible then it is maybe better idea to become a Satan worshipper than a Christian...
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Haha yeah, I think it's like, over 200,000 estimated deaths caused by the Judeo-Christian God, whereas Satan's only directly killed like... 10 people throughout the entire book. lol
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I personally think that people make God appear like the bad guy. For example, I'm Christian. If you ask me about the God I worship, you'll hear me speak of a loving, gracious and forgiving God who punishes evil people, not people who don't believe in Him, and never punishes us for love. But if you ask another Christian, one of those self righteous ignorant twats, they'll talk about a God who sends you to hell for not believing in Him and hates people because of their sexuality. And frankly, that's not my God, my Lord and Saviour. It's sad that bad Christians give God a bad name, and it doesn't surprise me that fewer people have faith these days because of them.
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I do respect people who have religion but I cannot agree not ever will say that God is such a nice guy from the bible.
Even more when you read THE OLD TESTAMENT. Yes I know that one doesn't count anymore but it DID count and was created by God and I do not believe you can justify telling women to marry their rape victims or killing gays for being gay. :/
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I tend to be of the opinion that if the Old Testament didn't matter to Christians anymore, then they wouldn't include it in their bibles. I hear the argument all the time that Jesus canceled out all the stuff of the Old Testament somehow, but still it's pretty awful stuff to read.
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Ever sicne I stared to shape and have my own views, instead of blindly following what family said, I've thought that the christan God is not 'wholly good without a fault' as I was taught as a kid. As I read some of the Bible in my teens I knew that some stuff was not at all good and was 'WTF!' as some of the other Mythic Gods (Greeks, Norse, ect) Most of the books i've read about mythology that were written by Chrsitians (funny how they would point it out in the 'about the author') would point out the faults, incest, murder, decieving the mortal followers, lust, avarice ect. Yet they would insist their God was a true god because he didn't have faults ....yeah they were pretty biased.
But when I read the bible I noticed that he wasn't without fault. The whole God of Love ... then anger at 'false idols' and 'have no other god before me for I am a jealous god'. .... I always laughed at that last one since if he was suppose to be the only god why would it say that instead of something like 'worship a false god'? Answer is its from the time there were other gods, like from Mesopotamia ect,
ITs been years since I've read it so I can't remember where its found but I remember God ordering his followers to destroy another set of people that didn't worship him. Actually that happened at least twice that I remembered in reading, one seemed realistic, though gory- to kill all the men of the enemy tribe. I say realistic since that would happen in (even in modern times) some savage wars to make sure they get all the warriors.
But one I remember god gave the order to destory the enemy people completely. The followers were to kill everyone, including the women and children.
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I'm pretty sure that there are other stamps like this one, and I'm also sure that this opinion is Older Than Feudalism at the very least. Considering your previous stamps made in ironic/sarcastic (can never tell with you) support for the being that has made himself "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4), I'd like to ask, if you're willing, to take a look at this: [link] . If you don't have the time to read it, then listen to it instead: [link] . It was written by a woman who practically made it her life's journey to help people grasp Biblical teachings and clear up the common misconceptions that people just seem stumble and stew in.
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well personally I kinda do think he's a bad guy,I mean if he did create us then we did we get things that we don't need,like wisdom teeth and the appendix I believe it is called ,I mean they have to remove it or else you'll suffer,(only when it needs to be removed),on the other side when bad things happen like 9/11,were was god that day ? not only did dozen of people risk their life to go in,they also pretty much had to die,lots of people died that day,so where was he ? when I was little I always prayed to god,well I never god an answer -_- when I stopped believing everything went better for me ,so yeah
if he was good then why do so many priest rape kids ? I mean knowing that long ago people couldn't check on this people actually tells us there could have been more victims -_- I also think if he rlly wasn't bad then why did he decide to make the male more worth than a female,while in for example groups like wolves both male and female rule in the back,even said that females are the most of the boss, so yeah :/ I find it unfair that they say the women should follow the man -_- i'm not a hater towards men,because so many of them are good,but just think about most of the wars or country leaders,most of them are men ,and they aren't always doing well,like our king in belgium,complains he needs more money but he has a frigging gigantic boat and stuff,now not to mention if he wasn't bad than why are so many living beings(with that I mean animals and humans) suffering,then why do people that put a little dog on fire get away with things easy like it was nothing
this is my opinion,every can think different of that I know :/ but lets say my grandmother,she believes in god,she prayed always still does,and know what she has gotten in return ? parkinson ,she cries when she can't help other ,she cries because she can't do things on her own
she is such a nice women,if god was rlly there then he's kinda a bad person that he never helped her
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I'm sorry about your grandmother, Parkinson's is a terrible thing to have to endure.
I think you're on the right track though, if the Judeo-Christian God created us with free will, why does he punish those who do not worship him? It is terribly unfair to demand people's love and worship under the threat of eternal damnation.
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yes I know
and I totally agree,we have a free mind and we should be able to choose whatever we want to follow,it would be wrong that we would end in hell because we don't believe,well the lucky thing is we won't end up there either since we don't believe anyways xD
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Part of my beliefs as a deist include the thought that 'God' or the 'Creator(s')' of the universe cannot be defined by human language.
By defining the Christian God as 'good/kind,' etc, they deny him his wrathful, vengeful nature that is also evident in the Bible. And, as 'God' the Alpha and Omega, and whatnot, he's supposed to be Everything. That's even something that Muslim faith notes in the Quran, in which the Abrahamic God speaks in both singular and plural. Or can be seen in the beginning of the Tao te Ching, if you're willing to look sideways.
So, by my understanding, 'God,' by definition, is both the good AND bad guy(s). To deny that of God is to deny God their absolute Oneness with the Universe God created.
...I probably just confused a crapload of people...
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I do not know if there is a creator out there, but if there is, I am sure it would likely be incomprehensible to us. But what you said about 'God' being both the good and bad guy, that's a very interesting way to put it - and I think I would have to agree with you there. In the bible, there is a lot of good that is done, but there is also a great deal of evil. Interesting though that they seem to always insist that he is a God of love (scrolling through the comments on this stamp will show some examples).
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That's kind of my take on it. I don't think our Creator(s) can be described or totally understood by us--only felt.
Regardless, if we go by the Abrahamic text, if we(mankind) are made in God's image, then God has the same capacity for good and evil. Which He has certainly exercised in the past, if the accounts are to be believed. And according to most Christians, we're supposed to. >_>
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You know. I'm all for people haveing opions and stuff like that, but don't you think this is kinda takeing it a bit far?
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No, not really. I don't think that asking people to question their beliefs is terrible, especially when some try to do the same to me all the time.
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Well I understand people forceing their belive on you is annoying.
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... I have to disagree with you. If God was the 'bad guy', then creation would not exist.
What happened to 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that those who believe shall not die but have eternal life', 'turn the other cheek', 'God is love... if you do not know love you do not know God' (not exact quotes here)etc? I do not agree with some of the things that Christian people do. They follow a flawed version of what God wants for us. We were given free will. No one can explain God, truly. If you could, than your interpretation is not what God is. God is perfect in every way; it is our INTERPRETATION of God that is flawed.
But, why attack the God of the Christians? Christ came with a message of love and forgiveness. The problem is that no one really tries to live it out.
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... this proves 'God is the bad guy' how?
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You were asking the question why give free will. That comic answered. Want them to want to love me. God has self esteem issues.
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I don't. Old testament God was built like an old style pantheonic god. Jealous and wrathful towards those that don't bend the knee. New testament god was built more like the gaining popularity kind aspects of Hindu Brahmen and Buddha. Except still with the undertones of 'bend the knee or you'll be destroyed.'
Essentially, the god of the bible reads as one who is a megalomaniac trying to gain favor in whatever way works. Promises of cookies or spankings.
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... I really don't appriciate your attacking of my faith. I believe in the God of the Gospel. Saying such things will only strengthen my faith. You don't see me attacking your beliefs.
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I don't appreciate the notion that your faith is beyond reproach. Whether your are strong or weak in it, makes no matter to me. I'd question it anyway.
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I'm not saying that all the things that are written in the bible are bad. I definitely think that Jesus was written to be a pretty decent fellow, teaching things that are common sense, but still worth keeping in mind (now if only people would follow his teachings...).
Based on the interpretations that were written in the Bible (which is of course, as we know, "God's infallible word"), I interpret God as the bad guy. What else would create something and condemn it to eternal torture if it doesn't praise him? A sadistic bully. Even Satan had more class than that.
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Now, I do not believe everything in the Bible. The Gospel, I will believe 100%. But the Old Testament was written thousands of years ago. I figure that a lot was lost in translation.
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