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Published: 2012-05-14 02:25:38 +0000 UTC; Views: 10038; Favourites: 306; Downloads: 16
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"What if GOD* is the BAD guy?"*Referring to the God of the Bible
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If God is divine enough to do ridiculous things like break bread and fishes into thousands of parts equal to the whole, why wouldn't he have preserved the only book that talks about him? And what about the bigotry and slaughter in the new testament like the genocide predicted by revelations and Jesus himself, or the generally anti-women and anti-homosexuality of Paul?
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I do not pretend to understand God. If I said I did, I would be a liar.
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I don't pretend that the bible is any more than a reflection of the men who wrote it, rather than a omnipotent yet very inconsistent being
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uh huh. Okay. Right. Still doesn't change my faith.
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I never expected it to. That promise of an eternal cookie and threat of am eternal spanking is a very strong motivator for some.
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But what if God is a kid with a magnifying glass and we're the ants? And he only made us to have be a jerk and have fun? There is more evil in the world than good, after all.
So many questionnsssss
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again, free will. If we did not have free will, then there is no point for us to exist. That is why we have our silent heroes. Making the world a little bit brighter. It doesn't matter if they follow the Word or not. God works through those who do good.
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Free will doesn't answer the question of why prions exist, little messed-up proteins that can sit in the human brain like ticking time bombs for years and years until BAM! Suddenly you're stabbing your wife and screaming gibberish because your brain has been partially dissolved and you went insane.
Free will also doesn't explain why we were ever even created with the physical capacity to sexually assault our own children, when God could have made such a horrific act as impossible as starting a camp fire at the bottom of a lake.
How does free will factor into black holes, supernovas, and the splitting of the atom?
There's letting people make their own decisions, and then there's locking them in a filthy room full of venomous snakes and then giving them guns and crystal meth.
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Mmm, I guess that's one possible answer. I don't believe in any of that, but if that answer works for you, coo'.
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I am glad you see my point of view. And I will respect yours.
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Then Satan is.....ah a case of mistaken ID.... makes more sense of a bunch of NO sense!!!!!
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evil=good and good=evil?
You've been watching too many movies, my friend.
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The stamp itself does not make a claim one way or another, but instead asks others to question their own thoughts on the topic.
Now, another commenter on this stamp, ~Blackwidina , made a very good point that I will copy/paste because I couldn't have worded it better myself:
"By defining the Christian God as 'good/kind,' etc, they deny him his wrathful, vengeful nature that is also evident in the Bible. And, as 'God' the Alpha and Omega, and whatnot, he's supposed to be Everything. . . . So, by my understanding, 'God,' by definition, is both the good AND bad guy(s). To deny that of God is to deny God their absolute Oneness with the Universe God created."
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I wasn't looking for a debate. My statement was supposed to be funny. >>;
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Lol rightio, still thought you'd find the quote interesting regardless
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I'm pretty sure he is. Glad he doesn't exist... Srsly, "KILL YOUR SON!" as a test of faith?
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Funny that you forget that this is after God promised Abraham (the man you alluded to as an example) that He would him descendants through Issac, Abraham and Sarah's only son, and that Abraham also showed several points of distrust in God on his part by taking His promises into his own feeble hands (e.g., marrying his wife's handmaiden as a second wife and causing near-unending strife between both families). Plus, Abraham knew that Issac would be come out of this alive anyway (Gen 22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.).
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Yeah, how morbid is that!
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This is a topic I myself have considered long and hard, it is an interesting question with a lot of interesting responses. Of course there is also a great deal of debate. What is both interesting and frustrating, is when this kind of question is posed, an onslaught of Christian individuals for better or for worse will come asking how you/we would like it if they questioned your/our religion/beliefs. What bothers me so supremely about this way of thinking is that the Christian religion has done more than simply question others beliefs they have worked endlessly and tirelessly to eradicate them entirely. Now, before someone calls me a hater or troll I am not saying that ALL Christians do this, nor am I saying that this is strictly a Christian phenomena, however, history paints an interesting story when one looks at how Christianity worked to eradicate paganism, the Crusades, when the Christians went and slaughtered not only their own, but 8000 Muslim children in order to "save their souls." But even looking at today, when the Christian Holy book (the newest edition) preaches love and kindness, but then we see bigotry and hatred in the name of god. There is also a tendency for people to forget about the Old Testament, which certainly did not cast God in a very glorious light at all. The Book of Enoch was entirely removed, what God did to the Arch Angels who questioned him, and the numerous accounts when he eradicated the human race, punished his followers, tricked his followers to test their faith... So truly it is an interesting question.
Conversely though, it is a horrible idea for humans (even Christian humans) in my opinion to even assume the will of God, as the Bible was written (and repeatedly edited) by humans. There are numerous versions of the Bible, none of them telling the same tales/parables the same way. They are working on yet another release of the New Testament (Proudly Proclaimed the American Bible) that is more America Friendly and easier for those of us in the country to read since our illiteracy rate is so high... Which will change the tone of the Bible entirely thus the meaning... And then when we see so many people who condemn others for being unlike them, being non-believers, being black, being a woman (all three of which according to the bible make them lesser beings) it really makes you wonder doesn't it? Of course Humanity cannot accept their own faults, so it sort of does make it a valid question.
If Humans aren't the bad guys, then wouldn't it have to be God?
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Thank you, it really sounds like you have put a lot of thought into this topic!
This stamp has already brought the, "how would you like it if I questioned your beliefs," comments, which are easy enough to disregard, because honestly - I'm glad that Christians question my beliefs. Now if only they could question their own...
That is pretty ridiculous about the American Bible, and I agree that a lot of the Bible's meaning will likely be changed (again... again... again...) because of these adaptations.
I think that while humans do have the ability to be both good and bad, God as Christians know him is definitely THE bad guy. Anyone who demands praise in exchange for not being sent to an eternal hell that they themselves created just for the purpose of tormenting most of the people they 'created'... that's evil.
That's not love, it's sadism.
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I completely agree with all of the above. I have given this topic a great deal of thought because once I was Christian. It was the hatred that made me leave. The hatred from their God, and the hatred from the religion itself and the followers who senselessly follow the word of their God as they perceive it without question or guilt. Again not all Christians fit this model, however the majority of whom I have met do, regretfully. And I agree that if there were a villain within the Christian religion it would be the 'god' the religion worships, because no matter what version of the Bible one reads, there is one thing that remains consistent.
"God loves all of his children" ... "If they are faithful." Which means he does not love all of his children. He loves his children with condition. And when he is not happy with SOME of his children, he massacres them all, banishes them to nothingness or hell (depending which testament you are reading) and then starts them over again. Does this not defy the idea that God is infallible? If he constantly is messing up with the human race that he has to rebuild them, is that not fallacy? And to subject his shortcomings to eternal torture, is that not evil?
Of course there is always the argument of "free will." Yet, that argument does not make sense with the rest of the argument that God is infallible. Because if God were infallible, he would forgive his children for all crime against him for he was the one who granted them freewill. God as the Christians see him is not infallible or reverent in my opinion, he is a narcissist. Of course, God is how human's perceive him, because of course, when someone says they "hear" God, Christians call them nut-jobs or follow them blindly. So truly, what God is in our society is what humanity makes him, which is why regardless of the substantial proof in the Bibles pages, Christianity still believes God infallible and without fault. Yet they neglect to look at the world around them, the suffering, the fear. They forget that many times they only speak to God when it is for help, not to thank him for their blessings, or it is to condemn others rather than save them. They do not look at how even devout Christians lose their jobs, become homeless, suffer murder, rape and genocide, natural disaster, despair. Yet their God is benevolent?
I agree, it's sadism.
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The hatred is a lot of the reason I'm no longer Christian, as well. Another big part of it was the silence. How am I expected to have a personal relationship with a guy who refuses to talk to me. "Oh, you're just not listening," "Oh, God works in mysterious ways," No - If this guy loves me so much, he'd be bending over backwards to make sure I'm not misinterpreting his intentions. Lol.
But yes, there are quite a few Christians who really stick to the whole "flock" theme. It's sad to see, and even sadder when they get insulted by the mere presence of someone with a differing opinion.
In love with your comment - couldn't have said it better myself. Brilliantly worded, and I agree so, so so much.
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How so? Please feel free to explain.
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Yes, but I am still interested in hearing your thoughts on the topic if you're willing to share with us.
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I don't often use the term, but this guy is a troll. She hasn't answered you yet because she's busy talking about how My Little Pony is Satanic, existing to manipulate 'good Christian men.'
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I'm not interested, so I'll keep this short.
What if The TMNT really exist, But they're in an alternate dimension? The same thing could be said about your stamp, you're writing about a fan-fiction of a non-existant possibility of something even you don't believe exists in the first place.
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Yes, well the reason that I make stamps is not always to voice my own opinions, but rather to get people to question their own, so in effect I am asking people who believe in "god" whether or not they think that there is a chance that they might be rooting for the wrong guy.
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Off-topic, TEACH ME HOW TO MAKE STAMPS AS GOOD AS YOURS!!
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Haha XD Maybe I'll make a tutorial sometime, it's not too difficult if you've got a basic understanding of Photoshop.
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I want those awesome backgrounds you've got. My stamps, have non.
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The best way to do it is to go around in the stock images section of dA and find interesting or appealing textures that are free to use. The person I usually link to has some pretty good ones, they're usually very fun and pretty to look at.
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If the Christian God is as described by the bible, there's no 'if' about it imo. I would not describe someone as a 'good guy' who kills a bunch of innocent children to make a point to one man.
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True, the bible sure does paint him as just a wee bit of an asshole, lol.
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Well, we won't know until the other two books from Jesus' followers are released.
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Heck, why doesn't he just come down from his castle in the clouds and tell us himself, lol
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Perhaps he is the bad guy. In fact, the Bible is full of deception. Maybe very many people fell for lies. Oooh, the possiblities. xP
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This would make a great book or movie, lol
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haha its funny you guys want respect but you can not give an ounce to anyone else of another religion.
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So listen if you want to defend you're faith do it maturely. Discuss the points and show that you disagree. This way people will take you more serious and you come over more respectful. But commenting like this just seems like you cannot handly anyone daring to question you're religion.
is not attacking you're religion but discussing points. Disagreeing and discussing is not a form of attack or discrimination.
I have seen you comment and also discuss other people's opinion and belief. Would you say that means you have no respect for those people or didn't you just disagree with them?
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I'm not disrespecting anybody in particular. I genuinely disagree with and dislike the Christian religion, that does not automatically mean that I do not respect Christians.
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You are sitting here disrespecting it now. You talk about people disrespecting wiccan religion but turn around and do it Christianity.
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