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Published: 2012-02-24 02:19:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 6272; Favourites: 229; Downloads: 0
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Choosing a sinful lifestyle just because we’re sinners it’s like choosing to drown because we don’t see the shore.“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” ~Romans 12:2
“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”~ 1 John 1:7
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Why would God forsake someone for not being Christian? He certainly didn’t forsake the thief on the cross.
"(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)" ~ Romans 2:13-15
And that’s what assures us that also non-Christians can be saved.
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I'm a former agnostic, and I'm afraid that that is not the case.
You said that you will do anything to help, even though it will make you sin? That's like saying "It's okay for a man to steal in order to feed his family."
And based on firsthand experience: GOD never forsakes us, it is we who forsake Him. No, it is not our good works that will justify us before the LORD - there is no good work that is good enough to reach GOD's standards - but our obedience to EVERYTHING that He say and our Faith in Him will.
I know that deep inside you, you want to believe in GOD - I was also like that in the past. I say that He loves you so much
See yah.
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You already forsaken him sense you don't believe in him or follow him when you know of him... and last time I checked the bible says to help those in need.
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Nope, Jesus says a Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on parting.
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"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." -2 John 1:9-11
Of course its bullshit, the whole fucking bible is bullshit.
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You're taking the verses out of the context in which they were written.
In this passage, John the writer is warning the church he is writing to to remain vigilant and not accept the teachings of people who teach falsely.
"I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work." 2 John 1v7-11
In the time that John was writing, there were a large number of travelling evangalists who would travel from place to place preaching. These evangalists were very poor, and they were often taken in to stay with a family who would feed them and provide them hospitality while they were staying in a town, preaching. To take one of these evangalists under your roof was a sign that you and your household approved and supported his teachings.
Not all the travelling preachers of the time were preaching the bible- some of them were preaching their own versions or their own spin on things and were no longer preaching the 'good news' ie. the Christian message. John is warning in this passage that the people of the church must remain vigilant, and not accept into their homes the travelling evangalists whose teachings are false as these people do not have God with them.
This verse really has nothing to do with Christians vs. Non Christians. Rather it was an instruction for Christians of the time to remain vigilant and to test the teachings of those around them, rather than blindly accepting it as 'good'.
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No just you. The conversation with that person was about helping the needy, and the bible says help the needy I was not talking about anyone who has done evil deeds. Example: I would not help a murderer, or anyone along the lines of that. Because they know that is against Christ and they purposely do not have the doctrine.
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No, the conversation was about helping the needy, including those who are not Christian, like her friends. Christ says it is a sin to offer hospitality or even godspeed to those who don't believe in him. Thus the bible is not saying to help those in need and is instead explicitly saying not to help non-Christians in need.
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No it doesn't say that but if you want to believe that go ahead.
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But, it does. I just posted the quote. That is exactly what it says. How else could you possibly interpret it?
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I already told you how I did, there is no reason for me to go any further with the conversation with you because you're just going to interpret it in a negative way sense you don't like the bible.
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I'm not interpreting it negatively, I'm interpreting it literally, word for word.
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"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." -2 John 1:9-11
Translation; Whoever infringes or goes beyond the bounds of, and does not conform to the set of beliefs held and taught by Christ, has no God. Whoever conforms to the set of beliefs held and taught by Christ has both God and Jesus. If you come upon any of those who do not conform to the set of beliefs held and taught by Christ, do not welcome him into your home nor bid him God speed: For bidding him God speed makes you an evil-doer and sinner.
However, I believe the real issue is what is it that Christ holds and teaches? Lets get some more bible references!
Luke 12:47-48 - Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.
Luke 19:27 - In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anybody who denies his rulership must be killed.
John 15:6 - Jesus says anybody who doesn't believe in him must be burned.
So it is sin to help or wish goodness on anybody who does not; a. believe whipping slaves is okay, b. hate all of his family and himself, c. kill all non-believers in Christ, d. burn anybody who does not believe in him.
So yes, not believing in Christ would mean you are not conforming to the beliefs Christ held and taught, and thus helping anybody who does not believe in CHrist would be a sin.
So, what part of this are you calling false?
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You saying the bible says not to help the needy, when it does. And you don't have tell me 2 John 1:9-11 again I did read it, I did give you my interpretation and I'm not giving it again. And sense the most of those contradict the ten commandments and a lot of other verses they are not to be followed. And yes I know of Hell and who goes there is his decision not yours and not mine. And anyone everyone is a child of God whether they believe in him or not, so it would not be wrong for me or anyone to help them if they have not done evil deeds. You're not changing my mind or anything, so you may as well leave me alone.
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So you just admitted the bible contradicts itself, so you're choosing to only believe part of it :/
Anyway, obviously I'm not, but that's because you fail to see any sort of logic. -sigh-
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Yes because there is a new testament an old one, Christians go by the new one unless contradicted by the old one, so no I'm not choosing part of it, and I believe Hell is more than eternal flames, and that those goers punishment will be more than burning and the other forms of torture done to them will be what is mentioned in the bible of the other things that they didn't follow. Because I don't believe in complete death and in Hell you relieve your punishments over and over and it will never cease unless God wants it too.
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So you admit the bible contradicts itself. Even within the old and within the new there are many contradictions. Ever seen this? [url=[link] Of Biblical Contradictions[/url]
How can something contradictory be true?
And why would you want to believe in hell? Why live your life in fear of something non-existant? Why believe in a god that is so horribly immoral?
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There are many contradictions in other faith as well that doesn't stop people from believing in it and it won't stop me either, I am a mere mortal and the bible and many other text will always be beyond my or anyone's understanding. And just because I doesn't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and Hell is for bad people as far as I know I'm not. And if I go to Hell than oh well, I tried...
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Yes, hence why more and more people aren't choosing to partake in faiths. Many many people have stopped believing it if they ever really did, myself included, and there's nothing wrong with that. The bible is a flawed book written by humans, it is completely understandable, as are its contradictions and hypocrisies. If there really were an all powerful, all knowing god, then that wouldn't be the case.
Hell is not for bad people, according to the bible, its for sinners. Not to mention, hell isn't even mentioned once in the old testament, its simply a threat created by political and religious leaders of the time to convince people to convert and to obey them. If god existed and was all loving, he could not send anybody to torture. In any case, odds are that you are a sinner; do you wear polyester/cotton blends; do you speak and ask questions at church; do you eat shellfish or pork; do you show your hair of face in church; do you cut your hair or shave; do you see men while on your period; would you allow your father to sell you as a sex slave; if somebody raided your town in the name of god would you allow yourself to become one of the soldiers sex slaves; do you kill all those who do not believe in your god? Odds are you're a sinner according to your god. :]
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Than I'm going to Hell, oh well.
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See, now why would you want to believe that? Even if it were true? :c
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Rather burn in Hell than cease to exist. I don't see myself going to Heaven but at least I'm trying... maybe that will change or not. Another thing that makes me happy about it is believing others will go to Heaven. I could careless about dying. I'll just see what happens when I'm dead.
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I'd rather believe that my loved ones cease to exist than believe they are all burning in a hell. How does it make you happy that almost everybody will go to hell?
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I don't believe that almost everyone is.
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Well, according to the bible almost everybody is.
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I don't believe that at all either. Jesus didn't die on the cross for nothing he died for our sins. He didn't tell us to ask for forgiveness and repent if he wasn't going to forgive anybody. And I don't believe your simplified interpretations of sins and verses either because the bible and this world isn't black and white. And I don't believe only a Christian would go to Heaven either. Everyone is a child of God whether they believe in him or not, and that persons self is also a factor in how God would determine their destination. And because you're acting as if you know who is going to Hell and who isn't when you don't. No one knows and determines that but God because it is up to him and no one more. And Hell is for the worst sinners, that's what it is there for. You can make my God out to be a monster all you want, but to me he isn't, I love him, care about him, and am going to die having always followed him.
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Well, then your god is not the god of the bible.
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Yes he is. 
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Its not a lie o.o I posted proof and logic and you ignored it. -sigh-
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It was all a lie, you said everyone is going to Hell and that's far from truth, you said Jesus said not to give the needy and that was a lie, you're doing nothing but lying because someone else doesn't think of God and world like you.
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If I'm lying, then the bible is lying. Everything I said was backed up by evidence from the bible. Refute it with alternate evidence?
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I'm not saying the bible is lying I'm saying your interpretations are. I've been giving you my interpretations you've been giving me yours, and I'm not taking the interpretations of someone who doesn't like or believe in God, and is just going to use the bible negatively over and over and you can say you're not but you purposely are. Either except the fact that I am nothing like you and will obviously think different or leave me alone.
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Some people act as if you choose your sins, there are things I wish wasn't a sin but I'm not going to say something isn't sinful just because I don't want it to be, that's not following God thats following yourself...
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And devuelta en esta *ahem* Me encanta el cuote: "Choosing a sinful lifestyle just because we’re sinners it’s like choosing to drown because we don’t see the shore"
Hace mucho sentido por que no es como esos ejemplos que te hacen la mega comparacion de dos cosas que nisiquiera van
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lol arigatop! me lo acabo de inventar 
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Indeed pero esa musa tenia otra musa ayudando por que te quedo bien y bien pensado al igual de la otra que escribiste de "It would be the same as: I’m going to kill myself because one day I’m going to die" esas musas estan activadas
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I struggle with this way too much. Hmm...
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Most of us struggle with this, but with God's help we can overcome any sin
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Yes, yes you're right
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This is true. Some people say, "Well if Jesus/God forgives me for all my sins then I can do whatever I want!" but that's not true. You're supposed to try and not sin. Just because Jesus/God will forgive that sin doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Like I always say to the 2-4 year old's at my church: Every sin you do on purpose makes Jesus even sadder.
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That we should do our best in trying not to sin ^^
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I can see that lol
but I'm curious..
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