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Ninjasmacks In reply to MattX125 [2015-02-09 07:33:19 +0000 UTC]

I would say that Lil Mac is Dr. Banner because of his Smashball attack and I'm going to say Pickachu fo Thor lol

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ElectricWarlord In reply to Ninjasmacks [2015-04-19 17:57:11 +0000 UTC]

So, Little Mac is both The Cap and Hulk? How does that work?
😵

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MattX125 In reply to Ninjasmacks [2015-02-10 00:49:27 +0000 UTC]

heh.

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Therisont In reply to dcb2art [2014-07-03 15:59:35 +0000 UTC]

Samus: Super Human, star ship engineer, martial artist, Hacker, latent psychic, Galactic Guardian.

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sunshine888dino In reply to Therisont [2014-09-18 09:24:56 +0000 UTC]

mario: lets not-a forget the destroyer of both the space pirates, and the metroid race.

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FatherGreyBeard In reply to sunshine888dino [2014-11-08 03:41:03 +0000 UTC]

Little Mac: I Defeated Mike Tyson.

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sunshine888dino In reply to FatherGreyBeard [2014-11-09 21:37:09 +0000 UTC]

mario: and he as a HUMAN boxer, not a space dragon that seems to come back to life from ANYTHING, a galactic poison, or a FREAKING ALIEN SPECIES THAT IS ONLY WEAK TO THE COLD.

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ZeroFox-4-eva In reply to sunshine888dino [2014-11-18 06:17:35 +0000 UTC]

Deadpool: I'd like to see you beat Mike Tyson! He cheats and as a finishing move, he bites your ear off!

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sunshine888dino In reply to ZeroFox-4-eva [2014-11-18 14:49:04 +0000 UTC]

pit: when you or tyson beat hade's heart without getting hurt, then you can brag about it.

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ZeroFox-4-eva In reply to sunshine888dino [2014-11-24 05:26:30 +0000 UTC]

Deadpool: Wait....are we talking NES or 3DS? And for that matter, are we talking Nintendo, Disney, or Sony because let me tell you something................................................................wait for it...................................................................wait, what are we arguing about? I got distracted by tacos.

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Ditto70 In reply to ZeroFox-4-eva [2018-03-20 00:13:13 +0000 UTC]

PFT!

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Ninjasmacks In reply to Phathas [2014-02-17 04:45:16 +0000 UTC]

I agree. Samus is amazingly badass with and without the suit. If this was lore only. Little Mac would not stand a chance. But I'm excited to test them out via Smash.

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JB-the-Hunter In reply to Ninjasmacks [2014-02-18 03:32:24 +0000 UTC]

... To the table. Whether it's strength (DK), speed (Piston Hondo), magic (Great Tiger), etc.

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JB-the-Hunter In reply to Ninjasmacks [2014-02-18 03:23:49 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't be quick to say he wouldn't stand a chance. Little Mac's whole theme is pretty much David vs Goliath. He can take on any opponent he goes up against, no matter what they bring to th

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Phathas In reply to JB-the-Hunter [2014-02-23 03:27:00 +0000 UTC]

She Solo's Godzilla sized enemies, is barely dented when stompped on by these 100+ ton monstrosities, or even foes that can throw 136 on objects at her can barely dent her armor.

or space fairing, armor plated plasma breathing dragons with claws that rip through ship hulls.

unlike brawl, Samus is many times faster, and can take down creatures bigger than even Mac's ever fought on sheer strength alone.
Trained from a younger age for real combat, not competitive combat.

this isn't David vs Goliath, this is a boxer versus a space marine who eats ACTUAL Goliaths for breakfast (in the case of Fusion, partially literally)

The only context of which he stands a chance is within SSB, due to heavy balancing.

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JB-the-Hunter In reply to Phathas [2014-02-28 20:23:43 +0000 UTC]

I still disagree. The problem with your argument is that you treat Little Mac like he's just a real world boxer, he's not. He wasn't simply trained for "competitive combat," he was trained to have the skills, knowledge and instinct to overcome ANY opponent. He's like Batman. Give him an opponent and he'll find a way to beat them. 

If you play Little Mac to his full potential in Punch Out, he can achieve feats that are impossible for a normal human being. He can win matches against opponents like Mr. Sandman who can tear apart buildings with his bare hands or Piston Hondo who can outrun a bullet train and catch a sword strike between his palms or Great Tiger who can teleport and create illusions. And to top it all of, He can do all these things without getting touched by his opponents... 

Let me restate that. He can do those things WITHOUT GETTING TOUCHED... BY A PERSON THAT CAN OUTRUN A FREAKING BULLET TRAIN. His dodging and maneuvering skills are impossibly good. He can dodge attacks that come out faster than a normal human could possibly react to and faster than Samus could even dish out. It doesn't matter what kind of monsters Samus has faced, Little Mac is canonically skilled enough that Samus wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him.

It very much is David vs. Goliath.

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Phathas In reply to JB-the-Hunter [2014-03-01 07:14:35 +0000 UTC]

However, Samus herself is way beyond human ability even before the armor is considered.
capable of making 30 foot leaps without armor, surviving falls off mountains as an infant without even so much as a bruise from the landing. the armor increases her abilities many fold

A bullet train? unforetunately with armor that's significantly slower than Samus' super sonic speed, and takes no damage (or even so much as stunned) from impacting into or through objects made of metal or stone, Samus' speed booster being super sonic allows her to achieve 768 mph and she has the reflexes and dexterity to handle it.

Samus also has increased reaction time, and borderline precognitive (if not precognitive) senses, able to dodge weapons fire without even looking even after the projectile is fired, predicted being sniped, or even evade enemies about to crash through walls.
Otherwise for raw strength, her biggest feat was fishing the Vorash out of magma. the Vorash being around as big as a humpback whale but much heavier due too greatly increased strength (swimming impossible speeds through magma and sheer it's way through metal), heavy armor capable of withstand shipgrade missiles known for wrecking fictional metals stronger than real life ones and energy weapons known to vaporize  creatures far bigger and stronger than humans instantly, and Samus hoists it out of the magma (which would provide extra resistance due to it being significantly thicker than water), but otherwise regularly kicks naturally armored creatures 1.5 times the size of gorilla's 15 + feat into the air, or effortlessly tosses creatures bigger than that around like ragdolls, despite some of these creatures having the strength to dig through metal at speeds of a human sprinting their attempts at melee fair minimal damage at best.

Otherwise Samus has dealt with foes that can catch missiles (without them exploding in their hands) or as well as MANY different foes with teleportive abilites, issusionary, etc. contends with creatures that tear through armored bunkers (of allows stronger than what we use today), and even when meleed the damage is minimal.

So far no feat you mentioned Samus hasn't already experienced, if not in greater amount.

Dodge? a good chunk of her weapons I would not argue, though fair to mention, during her early days with her most basic weapons, she was capable of shooting out enemy star fighters while strapped to the side of a starship herself while leaving orbit, a feat of marksmanship impossible for human beams especially at those kinds of speeds.

though there is the wide beam, turns Samus standard shot into a essentially 6 foot wide beam with rapid fire capability, a sweep of the arm would leave no where to dodge, wave beam upgrade added in no cover to block it either.

but the Power bombs are effect nukes, most recent iteration has a near 100 meter blast radius on top of near instant detonation that unleashes a heat wave that can't be blocked by common materials, and does not harm Samus.


Another problem is a few of her abilities, one of which is the screw attack, this weapon can instantly surround Samus' armor that can vaporize alloys stronger than steel instantly, even if such object is moving at super sonic speeds (or her into the object at super sonic speeds) and can be activated instantly. given her super human status and precognitive abilities, this weapon makes her immune to Mac's only offense, Melee, in the threat of him being vaporized if he should attempt. her Speed booster abilities does this as well.
due to the space jump, this ability can be indefinitely maintained, and even protects her from nearly all projectiles and some explosives.

Between those two abilites she wouldn't need to lay a finder on him, she can kill him if he tries to touch her or blow him up with something he can't dodge.

We're comparing an unreal human, with an unreal human/alien hybrid with an armor powered by space magic.

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Monsterman240 In reply to Phathas [2014-08-09 10:15:00 +0000 UTC]

Sorry to pop een unannounced! But you spent a lot of time talking about how strong Samus is, and are greatly underestimating Mac's Strength and durability.

I'm sure you know who Donkey Kong is. Please, allow me to tell you one of his feats. Donkey Kong has the ability to, AT WILL, jump out of the atmosphere and single-handedly punch the moon OUT OF ORBIT, INTO THE EARTH, WITH HAIR-SPLITTING ACCURACY! Mac fought the big D.K (He's a hidden character in Punchout!! Wii) and (For me, at least, for however canonical the game play is within a video game's story) knocked him out almost seemlessly. Now, you could ATTEMPT to argue that D.K was holding back, which is why he didn't instantly gib Mac, but the argument that Strength coincides with durability, and vice-versa, could very well mean that if Mac wasn't AROUND AS POWERFUL AS D.K IS, HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AS LITTLE AS LEAVE A MARK ON D.K.

 Don't get me wrong, I think Samus is an incredible character, and is really a symbol for what female characters should be, save for the bad part of her fan-base, and her seclusive, antisocial attitude... Beside the point! As incredible as Samus is, I doubt she can withstand any force powerful enough to offset the Moon's trajectory for very long a period of time. You could try arguing that Mac is still weak, in the regards of durability, however, again, falling back to strength coinciding with durability, and vice-versa, would mean both Mac's physical strength and his durability are within an astronomical scale.

Also, for the screen-clearing bombs Samus has, the characters in Contra, Contra III if nothing else, have almost the exact same kind of weapon, which would lead me to believe it's more of a genetic weapon than a plasma/ballistic warhead most people deem it to be. In Contra III, it clears all enemies except bosses, which it inflicts heavy damage upon, yet doesn't damage the player, NOR THE SECOND PLAYER, even though it's a giant, screen-clearing bomb. The only way I can see this is if the Bomb registers the D.N.A of the target as it passes through the target, if it's a human, passes through the human harmlessly, if it isn't, melts their chromosomes or something, it's fictional, I've never gotten the chance to reverse-engineer it (Nor would I probably know how to, though I'd certainly try ). I mention Contra III in particular as it's called "The Alien Wars", and you fight aliens, as you'd probably assume. Seeing how similar the Contra III bomb is to Samus', couldn't you argue that they may also work in arguably the same way as well? Of course, Samus' may only register Chozo D.N.A as non-hostile, but that would still destroy the human D.N.A in Samus, I would think. So does it register Human D.N.A non-hostile AS WELL AS chozo D.N.A? At this point, I've confused myself with my own argument, trying to make non-fictional logic out of a fictional weapon, so I'll just drop this point here... -_-

Anyways, the strength to give the moon a new orbit with durability to match would mean that he'd be pretty heavy hitting, as well as extremely thick-skinned. Couple that with how fast he is (He can keep up with someone who can outrun a bullet train, which could possibly suggest he himself can outrun one WITHOUT ANY FEAT-ENHANCING ARMOR, and can also see and choreograph flash-images and illusions, as shown against Great Tiger), Samus would have a very large amount of trouble with him, much more than you'd expect.

Have you ever fought against someone who's a professional boxer? Let me tell you, Karate, any form of Martial Arts, Boxing, Kick-Boxing, etc, you REALLY don't wanna be on the receiving end of anybody who fights professionally. It's second-nature to them, and a large portion of succeeding as a professional fighter is knowing how to get in your opponents head, and that works in more ways than just an intimidation factor, which would have less-than-no effect on Samus. They know exactly how to get you exactly where they want you. Trust me, Mac would last longer than you'd think!

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Phathas In reply to Monsterman240 [2014-08-13 18:45:48 +0000 UTC]

Short version.

Screw attack still means he can't touch her while it's active without getting vaporized. it Nigh instant activation. She has precognitive senses, she'll know exactly when to use the ability.

Power bombs have no friendly fire feature as covered in Other M's annoyingly long opening. It's simply her armor that makes her unaffected.

You have changed my opinion of the fight, I didn't know Little Mac is as strong as a Super Saiyan. However Now it's just who lands the first blow.
Problem is Samus still may have a bit of an edge, what with being able to make herself completely defended from anything he can do unless he wants to die, and react faster due too minor precognitive abilities.

More so, Samus will be ENTIRELY aware of him and his abilities, Scan visor grants her a bilogical overview of the target, Mac will not have any knowledge of Samus.

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Monsterman240 In reply to Phathas [2014-08-14 08:06:09 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, those points are still big hurdles for Mac to overcome if they were to get in a fight. The screw attack, I don't think he would have any type of retaliation toward, just avoid it and try and wait for her to land. I also agree that Samus is probably faster, as well, though to my knowledge, she needs a bit of room for acceleration to reach that speed. By the way, thanks for pointing out the lack of anti-friendly-fire on her bomb, that's a huge dent in my argument -_-. Really, though, thanks, I didn't know that.

 As for the precognitive sense, and the biological overview, any counter-argument would depend on what can be considered fact for Little Mac. Since almost all of what is 'canon' for his character is in his gameplay, it's a bit hard to say anything is fact for him, considering the fluctuation of skill by those that play the game. The Little Mac played by the best players could be argued to have bullet-dodging level speed and awareness, as well as a possibly photographic memory, while the Mac played by the more inexperienced players is completely dependent on an over-abundance of training. As either of these are, again, dependent on his "controller", neither of them can necessarily be considered absolutely canon and factual as a result. All that is ever mentioned in the story is that he's a small, young adolescent, who wanted to become a great boxer. He found an old great, Gerome "Doc" Louis, who taught Mac everything he knew. The intro to the SSB4 Mac reveal trailer showed the World Circuit belt on the wall of the gym, suggesting an experienced Mac, however, doesn't state any definitive W/L record. As such, he may have won exactly 13 bouts (the number of opponents in Punchout!! Wii) but lost 13 or more as well, or he may have won 26, all of the opponents in contender mode AND in title defense, and possibly didn't lose one fight. You may not think this is important, but the amount of losses he has suggests the amount of time he needs to choreograph his opponent. If it's zero losses, he could, again, have bullet level dodging speed and awareness, and possibly a photographic memory as well. If he has a large amount of losses, however, that'd be more a tribute to training to take down the opponent he's having trouble with, and would be more a feat to Doc's ability to aptly train Mac than Mac's initial capabilities, though you can never doubt Mac's determination. As much as I'd like to argue whether Mac or Samus could win against each other in a fight, there just isn't enough information on Mac's abilities. At least, beyond the colossal strength within his small package.

The point is that Mac's greatest strength is his ability to choreograph his opponent's moves. The problem is determining how quickly and efficiently he can do so. Is it in the same fight that he gets in with the person for the first time, or does it take multiple rounds, or even entire bouts for him to obtain the necessary knowledge of his opponent? If we had an exact answer, we could answer whether Samus or Mac would win, but without it, we're rather dead in the water in relation to this topic...

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