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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-11 04:34:02 +0000 UTC]

furry movie? do you think Bojack Horseman is the best furry show? and does this movie remind you of Avatar, Beauty and the Beast and Bioshock?

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-11 16:09:15 +0000 UTC]

I actually haven't seen that series.  But yes, this film is Beauty and the Beast, LITTLE MERMAID REVERSED, Amelie, and American creature features and spy dramas of the 50s - 60s bundled into one.  Check it out, you won't regret it.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-11 21:21:08 +0000 UTC]

I have seen this movie 4 times and it's great and does it also remind you of Avatar by James Cameron at times as well even the relationship of Xeno and human (except not in a meat puppet) and has a much better moralistic ending than Avatar? i mean without physically changing her entire being which would be racist in undertone just like Avatar which Avatar had the wrong message at the end when Jake physically changed into a Na'Vi as the ending to Shape of Water made me think "Why didn't Avatar end like this with this movie's moral?"  i mean the ending to that movie was so damned racist in undertone as i think Jake should had let his avatar die and had him either genetically inject him with nanites to help him breath the air/atmosphere/digest the water/food on Pandora or have Eynwa or Eyena (whatever) to give him new lungs magically to help him breath/eat the stuff/drink water then Neyitiri would accept him for who he is and not how he looks which would had been a more moralistic ending on "how you look isn't important but by the content of your character" instead of physically changing his form to become the same race as Neyitiri at the end as it's "how you look is more important than who you are as an individual" and i hated that ending. I don't like segreation endings to stories that have human X furry/Xeno /mutant romance stories like say Avatar as Avatar is like taking the 1967 comedy-drama classic with Sidney Poiter known as Guess Who's Coming to Dinner and if you take that movie and have Sidney Poiter at the end magically turn into a white man so it can satisfy the notions of the parents as they wouldn't accept anything. I mean it would had been faster to fix Jake's legs and give him nanintes as with all the genetic technology they had.

Afterall me and Hatton Slayden (ever seen his artworks?) do believe that Xenos/furries/mutants aren't always the "inferior" beings the mainstream media would sometimes portray as but to me and him they represent "people who are and look different".

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-11 23:58:44 +0000 UTC]

I would venture to say, in my humble opinion, Shape of Water >>> Avatar.  Shape of Water is a classy golden age of American cinema style film.  It's the real deal.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-12 02:20:02 +0000 UTC]

James Cameron did loved Shape of Water and considers it to be an instant classic! but do you agree the ending to Shape is far superior to Avatar's segreation racist ending which Shape had a more moralistic ending?

I bet Cameron was like at the ending "Why didn't i end my movie like this to have Jake remain human with genetic modifications to him to breath and eat the things on pandora?".

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-12 03:32:26 +0000 UTC]

I know right?  I'm guess probably cause then Neytiri would be towering over that pipsqueak XD  Eliza and the Asset looked like a perfectly paired man and woman on screen.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-12 03:52:15 +0000 UTC]

 i think Jake should had let his avatar die and had him either genetically inject him with nanites to help him breath the air/atmosphere/digest the water/food on Pandora or have Eynwa or Eyena (whatever) to give him new lungs magically to help him breath/eat the stuff/drink water then Neyitiri would accept him for who he is and not how he looks which would had been a more moralistic ending on "how you look isn't important but by the content of your character" instead of physically changing his form to become the same race as Neyitiri at the end and i hated that ending. I don't like segreation endings to stories that have human X furry/Xeno /mutant romance stories like say Avatar as Avatar is like taking Guess Who's Coming to Dinner and if you take that movie and have the Sidney Poiter magically turn into a white man in the end so it can satisfy the racist notions of the parents as they wouldn't accept anything. I mean it would had been faster to fix Jake's legs and give him nanintes as with all the genetic technology they had, those avatars were a waste of time/resources/money/effort.

Afterall Xenos (strange form of folk whether they are furry or alien even from space or mutant or magical creature person ala a Gargoyle), furries (animal-like humanoid beings like on Bojack Horseman or furry art or in Swat Kats) or mutants (like X-Men's and Marvels or Cheetah on Justice League ) aren't always the "inferior" beings the mainstream media would sometimes portray as in stories, they are to me and one of my friends on DA who is a very talented and well known internet Sci-fi/fantasy artist named Hatton Slayden as "people who are and look different" metaphorically and represent race as humans in stories are not alone or the only race there is, I don't really consider the love of Elisia and the Xeno man as "beastiality" which is the same thing they use to say in colonial and slavery being legal times as they thought mixing ethnicity was consdiered "beastiality" and besides beasitality is only if someone of humanoid (Terrapians which we earthlings are called, Xeno, furry or mutant) would sexually hurt a 4 legged ordinary regular animal creature from a pet store like an ordinary feral dog creature as that would be wrong like if he screwed the cats as humanoids only consent/romance to other humanoids even us in stories as humanoids in stories have pheromones to make other intelligent humanoids attracted to intelligent humanoids who are different. We on earth are all humanoids which our code name is humanoid and the Xeno man i believe is an alien humanoid god who came to earth a thousand years ago and has survived for many years as he came from a race of Xenos from another planet as he is treated like dirt because he speaks a very alien language but can speak in sign language and the way he looks, no different than in the 19th century when slavery was legal as someone with darker colored skin (negros and middle easterns) were not considered human in the eyes of the law when the white man considered themselves "superior" (Despite giving Asians a pass for "looking white") while considering dark colored people as "inferior". The scientists/people who captured him thought of him as an "animal" or "creature" or "monster" nope, only bigots and racist make that line blurred. basically boils down to cognitive abilities verses looks

And yes i can blame them because of the blatant intent behind their arguments. bullying and domination. no different than a book that was published in the south long ago by Buckner Payne when slavery still legally existed and was a guide to why people of different skin color were not human especially based on their noses and penises that were larger than a white man's. Here is another tidbit to think on: when the US still had slavery, who were the people most likely (and documented) to have secret love affairs with the slaves when they had "beastiality" laws of anyone not to forndicate with the slaves? the people who wanted them free and treated as equals? or the slave owners who told everyone they slaves were just 'dumb animals'? or when Hitler didn't consider the Jews to be human but as "rats" even with pamphlets that were passed out in Nazi germany on why Jews aren't human. This movie drew some elements from other history like slavery from the 19th century but replace Africans or middle easterns with a Xeno person.

Me and one of my favorite artists named Hatton Slayden (He is a very talented Sci-fi/fantasy artist/painter who makes artworks of Science fiction and fantasy worlds even some fan art to artworks of Xeno/furry/mutant people mostly females of different races who romances Earth humanoid males to overcome racial differences as a metaphor and statement) share similar values. He was raised by his parents not to be a bigot/racist/judge anyone how they look (whether it's their color or ethnicity or different cultural background etc.) but as equals with different skills and abilities, just like how entertainment on people who are different (Alien Nation, Gargoyles, X-Men TAS/comics, the 80s Beauty and the Beast show, Star Trek, Elephant Man etc.) taught me growing up to treat those who are different than me (whether it's their disabilities or skin color or ethnicity or appearance or gender or deformity etc.) with respect/dignity. What makes us human or rather humanoid or "person"? the way we look even if there are other races of beings in the universe who look different than us Earthlings or what our skin color/hair/eyes are? i think being different is not a bad thing.

Afterall in general fiction like Warcraft the movie (human X orc romance where they produced a half human/half orc offspring plus a half-orc/half human woman romances a human male), Bojack Horseman (furry X furry plus human X furry romances even a terrapien aka earth human man married to a lovely humanoid deer Xeno woman as they have 2 kids), Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who (the lesbian lovers one alien lizard humanoid woman and one earth human woman), Cheetah X Batman on Justice League (a literal cat-woman who's a mutant humanoid being and a regular earth human man), Eliza and Goliath on Gargoyles, Hatton Slayden's artworks of human males romancing Xeno/furry/mutant females, Voltron Defender's Hunk and Shay (Xeno from space and earth human male), Hepzibah/Corsair in X-Men TAS/Marvel comics (Cyclop's human father with a sexy alien furry skunk cat woman), Minerva Mink and a human male in one of my friends's fanfiction story series here on DA (to show love has no bounds between a humanoid mink woman and a regular terrapien human man and both are consenting adults mind you), Beast and Carly on X-Men TAS, Regular Show's Margaret's parents (earth human male and Xeno humanoid bird woman), Lilandra and Professor Xavier (alien bird woman and mutant earth man), Mass Effect, Skyrim video games, the 80s Beauty and the Beast TV show with Ron Perlman/Linda Hamilton, Wolf Children's Hana and her wolf-man husband, Alien Nation's Cathy and Matt etc. and i see these as metaphors/allegories for inter-ethnic romance in aspects. As i believe all humanoids share similar DNA even us with other Xenos in the universe in stories.

Afterall it was a nice moralistic story no doubt and a good ending without having to be bigoted like Avatar's ending. And Prince Lir did said it best with his brilliant sentiment in the movie/book of The Last Unicorn (ever read that book or seen the 1982 cult animated US/Japanese fantasy classic?) when he was romancing the beautiful Lady Amalthea (the unicorn turned into a Terrapien earth human in physical form) as she developed human feelings for him. He spoke this great quote when he was told about her secret of who she really is. "Unicorn, mermaid, sorceress, gorgon, vampire, werewolf, elf, lamia, genie...no name you would give her would surprise or frighten me, i love whom i love" and do you know what Lir meant by his quote which is one of my favorite quotes ever?

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-12 17:05:10 +0000 UTC]

You should seriously join the UN bro.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-12 23:57:19 +0000 UTC]

UN? united nations?

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-13 02:45:07 +0000 UTC]

Aye.

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-14 04:55:33 +0000 UTC]

What do you think of Hatton Slayden's artworks?

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-14 13:46:10 +0000 UTC]

I believe I have seen his work.  I actually happen to have a T-shirt of his Wrong Damsel piece XD

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-15 03:09:13 +0000 UTC]

Excellent artist eh and quite talented eh? he's also a humantarian as well.

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-15 22:52:53 +0000 UTC]

Very nice!

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JohnSpartan1982 In reply to mac1997 [2018-02-16 12:39:53 +0000 UTC]

And the "stupid animals" bit the hypocritical slaveowners used on the slaves even those who were secretly forndicating with the slaves is kind of weird seeing something that is clearly the same species as something less than intelligent, madness eh?

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mac1997 In reply to JohnSpartan1982 [2018-02-17 03:27:07 +0000 UTC]

I guess so.

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Lapin88 In reply to Kryss-LaBryn [2017-12-28 18:12:56 +0000 UTC]

OMG, me too!!!!! I have so much to squee about!

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Kaliko08 In reply to StoneMan85 [2017-09-15 03:11:02 +0000 UTC]

Right? So sweet for words to describe (pordon the pun)

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StoneMan85 In reply to Kaliko08 [2017-09-15 03:29:56 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.  I hope another pic is posted of this.

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