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Posted by my gramps on Facebook, screenshot by my mom, and later sent to my phone to be concluded in my group, the CSAsupporters to defend the Confederate flag and the Confederate States as a whole for the second and third national Confederate States flags and the many battle flags.I had never thought of using this as an example of defense but I am grateful that this reached me.
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Meanwhile Catholic priests in Spain also wear face-covering pointed hoods...How do you like them capirotes?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote… ;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Wee…
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They're interesting, that's for sure.
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What about designing a modern flag for southerners? a southern flag for the 21st century.
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We have one: content.tradyouth.org/uploads/…
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Eh, I once saw another one but can't remember who designed it, it was a modernist style of the old Confederate battle flag reusing the same colours, this other one is a bit well joyless.
Also once came across a modern full Confederate Constitution on one of the alternate history websites had some interesting ideas pinched from the Swiss one i.e. guaranteed strong states rights and direct citizens oversight
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It was written in the style of extracts from a Elementary school history text-book with made up citations of historians who had published in this alternate timeline, quotations of politicians who had served in this other history, it was eerie like if you could step sideways into another history and pluck a book off a library shelf. Oh and it had a modernised version of the Bonnie Blue Flag
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I know it makes me sick to see all these people who hate and destroy
and the worst part is that anyone seen with the flag is automatically considered racist.
it is like the POW MIA flag is now seen as racist for some reason well i don't think so at all
but no matter who we are we are all sinners and no sin is as worst as the other and we are al perfect in Gods eyes.
Every person, murderer, rapist, pervert, racist, and terrorist who except Jesus as Gods son who was sent down as our Lord and savior for the forgiveness of sin will get a place up in heaven.
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Any good symbol can be used for hate. Take the rainbow for example.
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how the fuck has the rainbow been used for hate?
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Duh! The harassment towards Christians, the unjust suing of churches, and the unjust indoctrination on children contrary to the parent's wishes.
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Yes, the rainbow was originally out of the Holy Bible from the Christian teachings of Gods promise to end the eternal flood for Noah's arc.
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I'm also starting to think that the slave trade was exaggerated only for the government to grab more power. Plus it was much worse in the Empire of the Roman Scum. In Roman Italy, one in every three people was a slave and that makes the U.S. South look like child's play.
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By the way, where did you find this information? I am not doubting your credibility, I am just wanting to know.
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My Grandpa appointed me to the information, I then found it on my phone and screen shot it.
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Dang it! I'm sorry, I'm from Missouri and it isn't called the Show-Me state for nothing. Does that mean I'm a northerner or a southerner?
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Honestly, it does not matter where you are from because I know Dixie folk who live in the New England region of the United States which practice their southern culture very strongly. All one needs is the cultural mindset of the Confederacy, region, nationality, race, those are all irrelevant.
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I always sort of knew what this meant (I'm ashamed to admit I didn't really know that much) and I thank you for posting this so I can learn about my heritage.
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I must ask you once again to seek the Lord in prayer. Using vulgarities is against the Holy Bible, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said, "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." Matthew 15:11. I suggest you look up Mark 7:20, Matthew 5:18 and 22, Ephesians 4:29, 5:4, Luke 6:45, Proverbs 4:24, 8:13, Colossians 3:8, and James 1:5, & 26 also. These all are scriptures against low, vulgar speech. As someone who claims to be Christian, you are to be a light set on a hill, the salt of the earth. I'm sorry, but "doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" James 3:11 The answer is no. Please, either stop claiming to be Christian, or strive to lead a Christian life. I hope that you will allow the Lord to do His work in your heart and mind. I will be praying for you.
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To all of the people that I have blocked, you were blocked because of your damned trolling of my Christian Confederate inspiration that I put into my work here on Deviantart, I blocked you because I was sick of here you whine about pointless bull crap that was not historically true.
Slavery was part of the American south before and during the Civil War and was the leading economy for those southern states because of the agricultural background of the warm climate. Slavery was not the leading cause of the Civil War, federal governmental oppression was because the federal government at the time was taxing the state governments of all of the states during the times before our Civil War to help pay for international governmental programs set up in nations allied to the United States like the French Empire, the western expansion of British Canada and some of the other British colonies around the Atlantic Ocean like the South African colony. By the federal government doing this, some of the state governments became furious because the money that they were using for state projects was being used in other countries by the US. federal government. That in all caused the American Civil War, not slavery.
Frankly, most of the racism affiliated with the Confederate flag came from the Klum Klux Klan and not the battles that took place during the Civil War which therefor is a slap to the face to all Confederate soldiers who fought and died under that banner while fighting for their own personal freedoms as Americans rather if it was to rebuild the American Republic to be free from Democracy, or to defend their own heart lands from foreign invaders from the north, the soldiers who fought in the Confederacy deserve the respect that all other American veterans have gotten because they to were fighting for their own American freedoms.
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You have a problem with "rednecks"? Maybe you should loose the pathetic, ignorant stereotype. Most "rednecks" don't have a hateful bone in their body. Most are also deeply spiritual and faithful Christians.
FYI the Confederate flag has NOTHING to do with Christianity. The colors on the Confederate flag mean the same thing they do on the US flag, with red representing the blood of the soldiers who fought and died defending this nation.
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I have a problem with racist rednecks, not all rednecks.
Suck up your worthless care inn the world and leave everyone else alone because guess what, I don't care about your precious opinion because I learned this on my own out of school and figured that I would share it here.
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And I have a problem with ALL racist, redneck or otherwise.
I also have a problem with people attaching a “Christian meaning” to secular symbols. That is nothing short of blasphemy. The Confederate flag is no more Christian than is the US, Mexican, Soviet, Nazi or Rainbow flags. I don’t care what you were told. You were told wrong.
Funny thing is, I am a big supporter of the flag, but I support it for what it really stands for: the history and culture of the South. It can stand on that alone, without convoluted and easily dismissed “spiritual meaning”.
So go ahead and block me like a coward. Keep pretending to be a Christian while using insulting, foul language and making all us real Christians look like inbred morons. I am done with you.
On a side note, I have spoken with both Christians and atheist on this site, and it seems the atheist have the most kind-hearted and friendly people. That is sad.
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You can deny it all that you want to, but the message is still in the flag and I didn't put it there, the designer of it did. Also, the rainbow flag does actually have a Christian background to it, if you were truly a Christian, you would know that the gays high-jacked the rainbow for their own queer use because the original meaning behind the rainbow is the sign from God that the eternal flood has passed and will never return which stood as a message to Noah and the members of his Arce in the Bible.
I support the Confederate flag for the southern culture that it holds also, if you would actually look into my work instead of insulting me with a stereotypical notion that all rednecks are racist bigots when in all, they are not.
I am a Christian and I can call you a fucktard all I want because that is my American freedom of speech and there is NOTHING in the Christian teachings that says that I cannot curse to anyone because the curse words that are used today (not including damn) were not known of back then in biblical times so therefor, they do not matter.
If you think that the Atheists are so kind-hearted as you worded it, then go spend some time with them and leave people like me alone because you obviously only came here to troll my work even though rather you like it or not, the Confederate battle flag does have a Christian meaning in it's design because it was designed by a Christian.
Good day sir and may God bless your soul.
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there will be a rebel flag rally in Aguste to save what means freedom, awesome.
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That is a valid point. However, I feel that their use of it as a symbol of racism is in line with the flag's intent, consiering how the people who made it were fighting for the same ideas.
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Yet, Slavery was not the leading cause of the American Civil War, it was merely the background economy of the southern states. The main cause of the American Civil War was the nation having a split economy of both industry in the northern states and agriculture in the southern states. The nation as a whole began to split apart because of the different cultural backgrounds of our once young capitalist nation and could not trade certain items because of profitable value.
Another main reason for our Civil War was the federal government placing tariffs on all of the states of the United States to tax the people and the state government to help fund international governmental assistance programs in countries like Great Britain, France, and British Canada which in the long run, affected the southern states worst than the northern states because of their agricultural based economy.
Yes, slavery was a part of the United States before and during the Civil War, but it was not the leading cause of the war.
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That was never what I was taught in history class-- even when I lived in the south. Any reputable historian will tell you A) that slaves have always been a major part of the economy anywhere they have existed (a human life is pretty dang expensive!) and B) that slavery was the primary cause of the civil war.
Besides, who the hell starts a war over something as paltry as differences in economics? Here in North Dakota, 90% of the economy is agriculture; does that mean we should declare war on New York?
Where the heck do you get your information from? Whatever source it is, you need to find new, better, unbiased one.
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YOU are the biased (and ignorant) one here. Slavery had NOTHING to do with the Civil War. Any historian will tell you that. That is what I was taught in history. The North did not invade the South in order to free the slaves – fact was most northerners were just as racist as the southerners and could not have cared less. The war was about preserving the Union – nothing more.
Remember that a few southern slave-states remained loyal and fought with the Union. Furthermore, Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation came AFTER the start of the Civil War.
The causes of the Civil War are complex (as is the cause of any war), and mostly had to do with the issue of States Rights (ie the 10th Amendment). Most southern states believed the state government was sovereign within its own boarders, and thus had more power than the federal government. The north believed the federal government to be sovereign, and thus federal laws would trump state laws even within state boarders.
This all came to a head with the election of Abraham Lincoln. The southern states attempted to withdraw from the Union – since each state willingly joined in the first place, they reasoned they had the right to unjoin at will (and they have a point). The north disagreed, and chose to use force of arms to prevent succession.
As for your assertion “who the hell starts a war over something as paltry as differences in economics?”, that my friend IS THE CAUSE OF ALMOST EVERY HUMAN WAR IN HISTORY.
Thus said, I feel I should also point out that the Confederate flag has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
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uh... yes it was... most of the states that would form the Confederate States did secede over slavery and blatantly mention it... in their goddamn words... very blatantly white supremacist manner
South Carolina: "We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection."
George: "The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."
Mississippi: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun."
Texas: "Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union... She was received into the confederacy...as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery — the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits — a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.
In all the non-slave-holding States… the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party… based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color — a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States
…all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations…"
and if that wasn't clear enough what about the bloody Vice-President of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens...
"The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. [Crowd applauded.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind — from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics; their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just — but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails."
yes, the North did not fought to end slavery, at first, but over time things changed, Abraham Lincoln would go on to try and get the thirteen amendment pass in the first place... funny thing for a guy to do if he didn't care about the slaves uh?
I live in the south and see this alot... strikes me as oddly petty and bitter for a people to still be bitter over a conflict that they started and LOST that ended over a HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR YEARS NOW... Jesus... one would think that the region would get over it by now but nooo... we got to get the 'lost cause' bullshit goin'...
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First: Any reputable historian will tell you that the slavery controversy was just ONE SMALL PART of a MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM. Anyone who believes otherwise is a brain-dead robot parroting left-wing PROPAGANDA.
Second, did you bother to check the date on this post? THIS POST IS OVER FOUR FUCKING YEARS OLD, YOU GODDDAM MORON. I'm dealing with a death in the family right now, and I don't need your left-wing, America-hating, hate-mongering BULLSHIT historical revisionism showing up in my fucking feed. So go to fucking hell, you retarded bastard.
Third, I don't have time to read your little fucking novel. If you can't respond to a post in just a few short paragraphs, THEN WRITE YOUR OWN GODDAM JOURNAL. Anyone who writes post as long as yours if a fucking attention-whore. Fucking idiot.
FYI I have lived in the South for DECADES and have NEVER heard even ONE person mention the Civil War outside of history class, so it is plain to me that you are not just an IDIOT, you're a GODDAM LIAR as well.
Go fuck yourself, you left-wing hack bastard, and stay the fuck away from me.
PS: If you don't like Alabama, here is the solution: FUCKING MOVE! Go to California or Massachusetts where left-wing sheep like you belong.
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Sorry if I offended anyone. I normally try to be unbiased in my judgement and look at things from both perspectives; the reason I judged my own education to have higher credibility than his is because, again, this is what I had been taught even when I lived in South Carolina.
Yes, The North was just as racist as the South, but they still eventually came to realize that slavery strengthened the South.
yes, The North's motivation for invading was to keep America united rather than to get rid of slavery, but slavery was still the main reason the southern states broke off in the first place.
When you put it that way, it does look like the southern state had every right to withdraw, but that doesn't change the fact that if we had let them be, there would probably still be slavery in the world. And if nobody had been made to realize that one group can't be inferior to another group "because they just are," then I doubt any of the civil rights movements that took place afterwards would have had any hope of succeeding.
Declaring a war on someone merely because their economy operated differently would seem to me like the absolute pinnacle of irrational xenophobia and bigotry;I've met religious fundies who were more reasonable than that. And name one war that was started over economics.
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If the Left didn't like the flag before they'll downright get into foaming at the mouth hulk rage on steroids mode if they ever read this.
Oh, and as a suggestion - Do 'Another Flag That Must Be Banned' being Britain's Union Jack. . .because surprise, surprise, it can be said that the creators of the US Flag and Confederate Flag were influenced by the Union Jack. The Colors, the Bars, and while the symbolism may not be the same the influence clear.
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"As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as the white mans flag. As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals."
That's what the designer of the Confederacy's second national flag said about his own creation.
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Actually, KKK symbol is also explicitly Christian.
Have you noticed the crosses?
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Have you even taken dumbass common since knowledge and taken a thought that the Klu Klutz Klan depicted the image of Christianity the same way they did with the image of the Confederacy? I mean really, are you going to call all Christians racist now, is that your notion?
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You should check your comment and edit it to reflect what you were trying to say. It came out a bit garbled.
I'm saying that claiming something is Christian does not mean it is moral.
Do you disagree?
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It's perfectly explained as a question, now answer the fucking question! Do you dare to call Christians racists now because of a damn KKK ghost party burning a Christian cross?!
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Read your question out loud and tell me if it makes sense to you. There's no reason to curse.
"Have you even taken dumbass common since knowledge and taken a thought that the Klu Klutz Klan depicted the image of Christianity the same way they did with the image of the Confederacy?"
Again - I'm saying that claiming something is Christian does not mean it is moral.
Do you disagree?
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You mean the ones that get burned and the vast majority of Christians consider it type of heresy/blasphemy?
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The vast majority of Christians also aren't big on Confederate flags or enslaving people.
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