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Also, the Dragonborn, when they join/take control of organizations like the Companions, Dark Brotherhood, and the Thieves' Guild, they can make money easily. The Night Mother's contracts each earn you 1200 gold, the Thieves' Guild Guildmaster chest restocks with money stolen by your guild members, and the Companions pay you to deal with animals, kidnappings, assassinations, etcetera.
Or they can just hunt dragons then sell their bones for money.
Also, while Geralt remains a freak hated by society, the Dragonborn can become a Thane, essentially a lesser lord. Not to mention people can recognize his or her accomplishments when they do great things.
What I really don't like about the Witcher is how Geralt still gets shat upon as a freak even after he's done wonderful things and even after he's rubbed shoulders with the likes of King Foltest, King Radovid, or Emperor Emhyr var Emreis. I mean, we have this guy, Geralt, and he's saved people from things like monsters, dragons, the Wild Hunt, and more. And yet almost everyone still treats him like a freak even after he's done all these things. He could be a personal friend of Empress Ciri, and he's still a freak that people put on a leash. How can a personal friend of the Empress get threatened by a Duchess in the Blood and Wine DLC? Doesn't Duchess Anna Henrietta realize that Empress Ciri will have her head if she killed Geralt? And unlike most Empresses, Ciri can literally take Anna's head off herself. But that still doesn't factor in the actual game.
Geralt can kill Radovid for Nilfgaard, save the world for the Wild Hunt, and even be a landowner in Toussaint. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK. Geralt will still always be that weirdo who gets cussed out by people for being a freak, barely tolerated because he kills monsters, and even seen as a threat by society, despite all his good deeds. Heck, by the time Witcher 3 starts, Geralt just saved the monarchs of the north from getting eaten by a dragon under the command of Sile de Tansarville, and they still treat him like shit. He could have saved Radovid's life from a dragon and the Witch Hunters who work for Radovid would still be giving Geralt all kinds of shit, just so they can hammer home another lesson about racism.
On Skyrim, the Dragonborn can get jeered at with racist quips from guards IF they chose to play certain races (Elf, Khajiit, Argonian) but if they played as Nords, the guards are somewhat friendlier.
Guard to an elf/Khajiit/Argonian: "Stay out of trouble, elf/cat/lizard."
Guard to a Nord: "Staying out of trouble, kinsman?"
Whereas the Dragonborn will get remembered for what they did, to the point where even DLC characters talk about it:
Guards: "Yes, Dovahkiin, how can I help you?"
"Whatever you need, Dragonborn. Just say the word."
"No matter what else happens, the guards will always be grateful for everything you've done."
"You have vanquished a great evil from Skyrim. You have saved this land... and our very souls."
Undead Dragon in the Soul Cairn, from the Dawnguard DLC: "Even in the Soul Cairn, the defeat of the world-eater has reached my ears, Dovahkiin."
Final boss in the Dragonborn DLC: "Felling Alduin was a mighty deed, and I thank you for it. He would have proved troublesome to me."
Also, if you complete other quests, people will comment on it. Like say, for example, if you made the Thieves' Guild powerful again, the guards worry about the fact that the Thieves Guild is watching them, making them paranoid. If you become a part of the Dark Brotherhood, they say "Hail Sithis" right in front of you. If you slay the Glenmoril Witches, they commend you for it. On the flipside, if you defeat the Wild Hunt in Witcher 3, nobody in society cares. Nobody even mentions it in the later DLCs, whereas killing Alduin gets referenced in the next two Skyrim DLCs. No matter what happens, Geralt is always that freak that society barely tolerates so long as he kills monsters for them.
The Dovahkiin can be anything from a despised criminal to a beloved nobleman/noblewoman. They can be Skyrim's foremost authority on magic, they can be the leader of the Companions, the Thieves' Guild, or the Dark Brotherhood, and they could also lead a vampire clan or be the highest ranking officer in the army of either side in the Civil War. You could become a high-ranking Imperial Legate working right beside General Tullius or you become Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak's blood-brother. The leaders of both sides of the war actually recognize your accomplishments and you get close to both rulers.
Heck, early in the story, the Dragonborn already becomes a noble with the title of Thane when they kill their first dragon, and the Jarl of Whiterun even goes so far as to give the Dragonborn a Housecarl, which is the equivalent of a knight or a personal protector. In Skyrim, killing your first dragon makes you an aristocrat right off the bat, complete with your own knight/squire.
Point being, the Dragonborn gets recognition for what they did, whereas Geralt will always be a barely-tolerated freak no matter how many good deeds he's done.
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Wow! If you get this triggered over video game characters that you put the effort into making a 15 paragraph essay than maybe its time to put a bandage in your anal cavity.
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Maybe. Or maybe because I just don't like it when people joke like this too often.
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Why are you so upset over this?
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Because people think so little of the Dragonborn sometimes, as someone who played Skyrim, I had to remind them of the truth.......
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Well, the thing is, The Dragon Born is a power fantasy template, its purpose is to make you feel important in the great scheme of things, so that's what it does. Geralt is a full fleshed out character that was designed to not fit in, to provide conflict to over come. The Dragon born is praised by all the NPCs because that goes into what the power fantasy is all about. Making the player feel good. So comparing a bland, one dimensional hollow shell meant to fulfill someones power fantasy to a fully fleshed out character means people will always praise the Full character over the Shell.
The two can't be compared because of what they are. So your argument and stance is basically pointless because there's no reason for it in the first place. This not an insult, its just like saying because an apple can be made into a pie its better then an orange.
And as for some specific points.
"Geralt remains a freak hated by society, the Dragonborn can become a Thane, essentially a lesser lord. Not to mention people can recognize his or her accomplishments when they do great things."
If Skyrim was more realistic, the Dragon born would be treated the same as a Witcher, as they are abnormal, regardless of how they look or what they do. That's just how humans react.
"On Skyrim, the Dragonborn can get jeered at with racist quips from guards IF they chose to play certain races (Elf, Khajiit, Argonian) but if they played as Nords, the guards are somewhat friendlier"
I don't know if you played any of The Witcher games, but so long as people don't know what a Witcher is, they're treated the same as a normal human. Its only once what they are comes out do people act the way they do. With fear and hate. (Again if Skyrim was realistic the Dragon born would be treated the same)
"What I really don't like about the Witcher is how Geralt still gets shat upon as a freak even after he's done wonderful things and even after he's rubbed shoulders with the likes of King Foltest, King Radovid, or Emperor Emhyr var Emreis. I mean, we have this guy, Geralt, and he's saved people from things like monsters, dragons, the Wild Hunt, and more. And yet almost everyone still treats him like a freak even after he's done all these things. He could be a personal friend of Empress Ciri, and he's still a freak that people put on a leash. How can a personal friend of the Empress get threatened by a Duchess in the Blood and Wine DLC?"
How many people would be willing to even be in the same room as someone who can kill dragons and eat their souls? How many people would be able to over come the fear of them long enough to get to know them? Again, being afraid and hating what makes them afraid is human nature, and Skyrim glosses over this to make you feel important. Also, you read history, and you'll find a lot of people didn't care who you were or what you did. If they didn't like you they would be insulting, if they could use you they would. Again, Skyrim ignores this to make the player feel important.
"if you complete other quests, people will comment on it. Like say, for example, if you made the Thieves' Guild powerful again, the guards worry about the fact that the Thieves Guild is watching them, making them paranoid. If you become a part of the Dark Brotherhood, they say "Hail Sithis" right in front of you. If you slay the Glenmoril Witches, they commend you for it. On the flipside, if you defeat the Wild Hunt in Witcher 3, nobody in society cares. Nobody even mentions it in the later DLCs, whereas killing Alduin gets referenced in the next two Skyrim DLCs. No matter what happens, Geralt is always that freak that society barely tolerates so long as he kills monsters for them"
Yet again, you get so much recognition from so many people because its part of a power fantsy, its all about making the player feel powerful, not giving depth to a character. In history, and even now, nobody really cares about heroes. Geralt gets almost no recognition for two reasons. 1: He is unknown to most of the world. Peasants aren't likely to know much about what goes on in the next village, any further then that? Extremely unlikely to know more then what kingdom they're in. And most would have to concept of a war going beyonf having food and sons taken away. 2: Geralts quests are all but unknown to the world. Only a few people even know the Wild Hunt is real, let alone running around. And once the threat is gone, the people who do know won't care anymore. Again, human nature.
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"Well, the thing is, The Dragon Born is a power fantasy template, its purpose is to make you feel important in the great scheme of things, so that's what it does. Geralt is a full fleshed out character that was designed to not fit in, to provide conflict to over come. The Dragon born is praised by all the NPCs because that goes into what the power fantasy is all about. Making the player feel good. So comparing a bland, one dimensional hollow shell meant to fulfill someones power fantasy to a fully fleshed out character means people will always praise the Full character over the Shell.
The two can't be compared because of what they are. So your argument and stance is basically pointless because there's no reason for it in the first place. This not an insult, its just like saying because an apple can be made into a pie its better then an orange."
To a certain extent, yes and no. The Dragonborn CAN be a power fantasy character, but at the same time, is limited by the character's level and upgraded skills. Granted, a player can just upgrade all the skills or mod the game to raise skill level and unlock perks, but when you start out, you're just as much a scrub as the rest of them. Which means that at most, you're a "Mauve Shirt". Slightly stronger than the average goon, but not too strong. Even after you discover your Dragonborn powers, a troll can still claw your face off unless you mastered fire magic or attacks.
Of course, a fully-realized Dragonborn who mastered most, if not all the skills available, would be everyone's fantasy wet dream come to life.
"If Skyrim was more realistic, the Dragon born would be treated the same as a Witcher, as they are abnormal, regardless of how they look or what they do. That's just how humans react."
Not really. If Skyrim was more realistic, people would treat the Dragonborn like a god. Dragonborns are descended from Akatosh, the chief divinity of the Nine Divines that the people of Tamriel worship. That's akin to having descendants of Jupiter or Ra walking amongst Romans and Egyptians, or having an angel in human form from the Bible walk among the Ancient Hebrews or Christians. People would be lining up to kiss their boots and give donations to them, Jarls would hold parties whenever they arrive, and the Skyrim Civil War could easily end by their command. And considering that the Dragonborn is the one tackling Alduin, the world-eater, leaders from both factions of the civil war would not only declare a truce swear allegiance to them and have soldiers join the Dragonborn just so they can tell the public that they helped the Dragonborn against the big, bad, Alduin.
"I don't know if you played any of The Witcher games, but so long as people don't know what a Witcher is, they're treated the same as a normal human. Its only once what they are comes out do people act the way they do. With fear and hate. (Again if Skyrim was realistic the Dragon born would be treated the same)"
Nope. It's not that hard to notice a Witcher when their eyes are different than a regular human's, and most witchers carry two swords: silver and steel. That's practically a calling card. And again, Dragonborns, based on Skyrim and Elder Scrolls' religious system, would be hailed as religious figures, half-divines walking on the face of the earth. They wouldn't be thrown aside like freaks. People would be treating them like gods. But of course, during most of the game, people either don't know you're the Dragonborn, or they don't care and they think it's all just magic trickery.
"How many people would be willing to even be in the same room as someone who can kill dragons and eat their souls? How many people would be able to over come the fear of them long enough to get to know them? Again, being afraid and hating what makes them afraid is human nature, and Skyrim glosses over this to make you feel important. Also, you read history, and you'll find a lot of people didn't care who you were or what you did. If they didn't like you they would be insulting, if they could use you they would. Again, Skyrim ignores this to make the player feel important."
That's the point, though: people would be so amazed by guys who can do that stuff that they'd line up and butt-kiss the guy. If Skyrim was more realistic, as I said, the Dragonborn would be getting a feast at every town, and military leaders from both sides of the Civil War would happily lend them troops to aid in the fight against the Dragons, if only so they can use that for propaganda for their own people, ie. "Me and my men helped the Dragonborn kill 12 dragons this week!" The Dragonborn would be a celebrity. Also, if you read history, people were promoted to ranks like knights and nobles based on great deeds. That's one of the few ways people had social mobility: a soldier who performs great deeds becomes a knight. A knight who performs great deeds gets a lordship, a castle, and a highborn beauty for a wife. A lord who saves the country gets an invitation to marry into, or have his kids marry into, the royal family. In fact, what Skyrim ignores is the religious aspect of the Dragonborn, and how people back then were attracted to great heroes who performed great deeds. As I said, if they were more accurate about the stuff, the Dragonborn would be celebrated both as a religious icon and as a hero for all Tamriel. Even the Thalmor would have shut up and at the very least kissed the DB's ass just so they don't get on the DB's bad side.
"Yet again, you get so much recognition from so many people because its part of a power fantsy, its all about making the player feel powerful, not giving depth to a character. In history, and even now, nobody really cares about heroes. Geralt gets almost no recognition for two reasons. 1: He is unknown to most of the world. Peasants aren't likely to know much about what goes on in the next village, any further then that? Extremely unlikely to know more then what kingdom they're in. And most would have to concept of a war going beyonf having food and sons taken away. 2: Geralts quests are all but unknown to the world. Only a few people even know the Wild Hunt is real, let alone running around. And once the threat is gone, the people who do know won't care anymore. Again, human nature."
Bullshit. History is full of famous people who clawed their way to the top with great deeds. Caesar gained power through military victories, and so did Napoleon. David from the Bible became a great hero by killing Goliath. History has societies unite and gather around heroic figures, real or mythical. They would tell stories of the Iliad and the Odyssey, of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, and combine them with heroic deeds and great accomplishments from real people like Joan of Arc, Emperor Constantine, Charles Martel, Leonidas, among others.
Also, the peasants of the Witcher world kind of know who Geralt is. The White Wolf. The "Kingslayer". The "Butcher of Blaviken". News travels one way or another. Also, Geralt's quests involve working with the high and mighty, which obviously puts him in the public spotlight. In Witcher 1, he saved King Foltest. Witcher 2, he saves Radovid and a whole assembly of nobles and kings from a dragon commanded by Sile de Tansarville. Witcher 3, he works with a unit of Nilfgaardian soldiers and some Vikings to fight some apocalyptic Snow Elves in Sauron Armor, or he saves Toussaint from the Beast who sicced a whole Vampire army on the fucking city. Those are all rather public accomplishments, and it's highly unlikely that the kings and soldiers there would keep quiet about seeing Geralt do great things there. Unless Emhyr and Radovid had anyone who blabbed about Geralt killed, which is never brought up, then there's no reason why Geralt's accomplishments remain unknown. Heck, at least with Toussaint, there was ONE peasant who thanks you for saving the town from the beast if the Duchess dies........
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Actually, the Dragonborn does get paid for killing bandits, giants, and other enemies, like beasts hiding out in caves or criminals escaped from jail. Even the dragons he or she hunts, he/she either turns them into dragonbone weapons/armor or sells them for a profit.
I think my Dragonborn sorceress has sold enough dragon bones in Whiterun to the point where they can build entire houses made of dragon bone. Maybe they can rebuild Dragonsreach with dragon bones and make it more formidable than wood.
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And there's the fact that literally everyone in Skyrim has some coins on their pockets (and in the case of monsters and animals, their guts). Also, for some it's trash, for me it's a treasure.
Also, if Geralt and the Dragonborn swapped jobs, Geralt would end up broke because he would have to do it for free, or win a miserable amount of coins because the employers can fight but are lazy, or dies because anything that can give enogh cash is just too much for a Witcher (bandit chiefs, briarhearts, actual dragons...), whereas the Dragonborn could just do... anything really, he's a multi-tasked character, not a monster slayer (bears are much worse than trolls anyway), and he can easily be a blacksmith, an alchemist, a banker, a hunter, a woodman, a courier, use his magic to create gold and break the economy to his favour... or just kill enough people and declare himself king. He can (tgm might as well be him at max level).
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Actually, Geralt can do a good business of killing dragons. Even if nobody pays him for it, he can sell the dragon bones and make a fortune out of it. Unlike the monsters he slays, the TES dragons' bones can be used for all sorts of things, from weapons to armor. Heck, he can even make dragonbone weapons and armor which would be far better than the stuff he usually wears.
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Unfortunately for him, those dragons aren't like the ones from his world; for starters, they think. Also, the firebreath is just an attack amongst many (shockwaves, frost breath...). And even if he can fight dragons and bandits, legionaries and Stormcloak grunts are another thing altogether (mainly because unlike the 'bad guys' from his world they are at worst neutral. The legionaries that's it. None of them rape the opposite sex and/or fear magic though, so they are still better).
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Yep. That's gonna be Geralt's problem. Also, since Geralt sometimes even struggles with fighting regular men, even 7-8 Stormcloaks wouldn't have a problem overwhelming and capturing him. Whereas the Dragonborn, even if you take their clothes and weapons away, can still use alteration magic to make their skin as hard as ebony steel or even dragon scales, can conjure swords, bows, arrows, and axes from thin air, and can spam fireballs until there's no tomorrow. Or even slow time with a shout. Heck, put the Dragonborn in many of the situations Geralt was in, and the DB would have an easier time fighting their way out.
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And his fist (or claws), especially if he's a 6.5 feet tall nord in a land of wimps.
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Or she, even. A tall, beautiful Nord woman with skin as hard as ebony steel or dragon scales, with fire and lightning coming out of her hands. Considering how horny the people in the Witcher universe are, they'd be too busy looking at her boobs before her summoned Dremoras lop their heads off.
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Or her ripping out their heads to shit down their necks and maybe, just maybe, eat their flesh. Or an stoic argonian skirmisher, or a sensual khajiit seductress, or a zealous breton knight,or an Angry/Scary Red guard, the last one being the worst because there are few black people in The Witcher world.
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Nah, my Nord gal is a clean gal. Also, some Ofieris are black. The Ofieri who races Geralt in a horse race was black.
Worse yet, imagine if they encountered the Thalmor. They think the Wild Hunt is a threat? A whole nation of Elves that use magic that is as common as breathing. Your average Thalmor soldier fights as if they have flamethrowers naturally grafted onto them, and can even fight with conjured daedric swords. It's like running into Stormtroopers that use lightsabers and Force Lightning.
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The Thalmor, as badass as they are, are still crap compared to the guerrilleros of Black Marsh or the Stormcloak grunts, if just because the first can breathe underwater and the second can sleep naked in Russia's coldest city... on the street. Oh, and lift a log.
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Stormcloaks are nothing to the Thalmor. But Black marsh guerrillas as a whole class on their own.
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Stormcloaks are super strong nords.
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No, they're just average. I've fought Thalmor who gave me a tougher fight.
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Because they use magic and have better armor and weapons that are above steel. Give the Stormcloaks ancient nord armor and they can pose a threat.
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Ancient Nord Armor isn't so protective. It only protects the chest, and the female version is just practically hip protectors with a furry bra.
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Not a match for Thalmor with gilded steel plate and flame attacks.
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Yeah, that's the honest truth.
But... another question. Do you know the anime called Kuroinu?
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Good, read the fics but do not ever read it. It's an hentai manga which weirdly enough can be rewritten with ease as a fanfiction.
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To quote a popular Youtube parody maker:
"I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.........."
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Not in the fics though. Yet most of them use teenagers as protagonists instead of grizzled fighters, frisky bards or evil overlords.
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Dragonborn: Free? I do this shit for FUN buddy.
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"free" in exchange the dragonborn steals even the coins from the beggars XD
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Who sad that Witcher's life is hard? xD 
Kto powiedział, że życie wiedźmina jest ciężkie? Naprawdę wspaniały rysunek 
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"Well considering most everyone and everything I'm sent to kill is chock full of gold and other valuables anyway, asking for payment just seems kind of pointless."
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Dragons with Daedric Armor pieces inside their remains come to mind..........not to mention dragon bones, which fetch a good price on the market.
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And yet when I play Skyrim I end up with a hell of a lot of money pretty quickly, and I don't have to argue with people about money.
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"Well, it's less that I do it for free and more they're crazy enough to randomly attack a heavily-armed traveler passing through their territory."
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hahahah thats a good one. Gerald is the biggest bad ass.
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Shoot him in the knee Dovakin...will see who's laughing then ;}
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