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Agreed.
None of it made any sense.
It was awful in terms of story telling.
Maybe that was Rian Johnson's fault, I don't know, but it was too much too fast and totally disjointed.
They would have been better off having some kind of quest for the Katana fleet or just use Dark Empire for crying out loud.
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I had a similar problem with Lord of the Rings. What did all those thousands of Goblins and Orcs eat? Caves would only have some bats and mushrooms. And Mordor is a wasteland with only sparse dying vegetation that you couldn't even graze cattle on.
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Good points about LOTR.
The books hint at them conducting raids to get food, but there is (as far as I can remember from the books) nothing discussed about where the orcs and goblins got food.
Interesting observations.
Granted, LOTR is a pure fantasy story and so that may have been omitted because it wasn't necessary, but in a story about any kind of large mechanized machine like a starship, or ocean warship, and the like, the needs of the crew matter.
However, your point on LOTR is still valid in my view. How did Sauron feed all of his army?
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So how about the cave goblins?
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When logic and deductive reasoning slam into a brick wall...
M A G I C !
Aka "The Force" made it happen.
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I appreciate your response, though I believe those upgraded Star Destroyers would have been hell on the universe had they gotten loose. Granted, a few of them would have gone up in a puff of smoke before lessons were learned. Adding adequate shielding to the main cannons would simply be an engineering issue to surmount. Luckily, the Force helped prevent that scenario from happening!
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JJ-Abrams clearly didn't understand the limits on what Star Wars ships can and cannot do when he made this. If he really wanted to have a ship with a super-weapon, it should have been the Eclipse class. That was Palpatine's ship in Dark Empire, and it was HUGE. The fleet should have been a few Sovereign, Inquisitor SSDs, and then a large quantity of ISD IIs. Putting a massive super-laser on a normal Star Destroyer is not possible using established technical guides of Star Wars. That's the problem, JJ-Abrams either didn't know, or didn't care and so he made a MacGuffin that breaks the suspension of disbelief for many of us who followed the technology (and its rules) of Star Wars since the 1970s.
I hated the new trilogy because of the overpowered characters, ships, and just total Fairy Tale level of action and events. Rogue One was excellent because it stayed within the rules of established Star Wars lore.
Wish JJ-Abrams had done that.
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You're right, I can just say these movies are total garbage, poorly written, and make absolutely no sense within the confines of George Lucas' Star Wars.
I don't care that Disney bought it, they didn't create it and if they're making sequels to George Lucas' Star Wars they have to follow his rules.
In his creation, SSDs don't have super lasers.
Therefore, the Disney Woke Wars trilogy is utter crap in my opinion.
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No don't bother.
I don't care about excuses for this trainwreck.
JJ-Abrams didn't know what to do with Rian Johnson's mess.
If JJ had done to whole trilogy or if this trilogy was episodes 1-3 of a new series, this wouldn't matter.
But as eps 7-9 it is an utter mess.
Disney fucked up.
I assume they will fix this (the Mandalorian is a step in the correct direction), but as it stands, eps 7-9 are a total failure in my view.
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No 7 was bad because it was over the top crap writing.
Mary Sue Rey was almost a carbon copy of Paula Smith's "A Trekkie's Tale".
It's just terrible.
No training, no hardship, everything comes easy, very lazy writing.
I never said anything about "real fans".
Don't assume or you make an ass out of yourself.
Star Wars is already Space Fantasy with George Lucas' Prequels (which used to be the worst Star Wars until the Palpatine Trilogy).
If you don't understand WHY these three movies are shit, then you might want to check out this video.
It explains EXACTLY why Mary Sue Rey is a horribly written character.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN8Qm5…
Contrast the Palpatine Trilogy (since Rey is Palpatine's daughter who kills the last Skywalker, takes the family farm, and the family name, thus meaning the Emperor won whether JJ meant it that way or not), with Rogue One.
Rogue One was very well done side story which respected the source material and didn't ALTER the events of previous movies, but rather just added to them.
Glad to see you understand who your betters are.
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Maybe the toxic fans aren't so toxic.
Maybe they have some valid points (though some of their arguments are no better than the defenders of these movies).
I don't care about Rey being female.
Some of my favorite SF and Space Opera characters are female (Queen Millennia, Emeraldas, Yuki Kei, Motoko Kusagani, Akira Yamamoto from SBY 2199, and Melda Dietz.
However, I have many male characters I like as well.
Gender (male or female) doesn't mean anything to me for a character.
How they're written is what matters.
Rey is a classic Mary Sue, it is due to lazy writing on the part of Abrams and Johnson.
She is written in the exact same tone, and manner as Mary Sue.
web.archive.org/web/2005020810…
Rey is a boring, uninteresting, and an overpowered character with no room to grow from the moment we see her on screen.
It doesn't matter than she ran from Emo Vader in ep 7, or tried to execute a plan in 8, she never is in danger, she has all kinds of ridiculous powers that took other characters years of training to acquire according to the first three movies and the prequels.
You don't just "get force powers" by realizing them, you have to be trained in them as all of them are described as skills and multiple characters learn the same skills through training.
What JJ did was totally destroy those rules by making it so Rey just gets the skills because she's Rey and that is Mary Sue 1.01.
Star Wars isn't a Superhero comic-book story.
I for one do not like superheroes or superhero movies, so when Mary Sue Rey is written as a character auditioning to be the next Captain Marvel, my suspension of disbelief is shot and the movie becomes utterly stupid.
Like the video I posted showed, she just IS powerful without any other reason than SHE'S JUST AWESOME.
Attempting to bend the rules of how Jedi and Sith gain their abilities just to fit this dumpster fire of badly crafted characters, poorly paced and executed plot, and terrible tone for a Hero's Journey type story precludes making excuses to cover for the horrible writing of this trilogy.
In other words, Disney Star Wars ep 7-9 is objectively indefensible.
You're attempting what is called an "in world/universe" argument, and the Disney Woke Wars trilogy is so awful that is must be argued in real world terms of writing style, plot, and story structure before you can even get into the terrible discontinuity of it and the other six films made by George Lucas.
Disney can, and hopefully will, find better writers than JJ and Johnson for any future installments.
Disney made a mistake with this trilogy on rudimentary levels which for a company this big is quite shocking.
What can be learned from this is that the original trilogy should have been left alone (no prequels or sequels to it).
New material (like KOTOR, or The Mandalorian) should have been the focus of Disney so as not to incur the major problems that JJ-Abrams and Rian Johnson created by attempting to shoe-horn in new characters into an existing timeline that both men clearly knew very little about and cared nothing for.
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It was a mistake on your part to attempt to defend what cannot be defended.
As someone who loves SF and Space Opera and has read an enormous amount of it (mostly Golden Age SF), I can say with total confidence that the writing in this trilogy is horrid.
The simple fact that they used the lightsaber that Luke lost into the depths of the 118,000-km diameter gas giant planet named Bespin is but one of many, many continuity flaws that showed lazy writing.
Luke's lightsaber was GREEN, not BLUE.
The blue lightsaber he used was Anakin's, and that weapon fell into the gas giant whose dense atmosphere and gravity would have crushed it, not too mention it would have been utterly irretrievable; and that's how George Lucas meant for it to be.
So just haphazardly putting it in the Force Awakens was lazy, stupid, and poorly thought out on the part of JJ-Abrams.
A plot point that he attempted to use as some awakening of Rey.
As if its fucking Excalibur from Le Morte d'Arthur.
I suspect that this trilogy will be like the prequels were.
Some of us saw them for how bad they were right away, and it took years for other people to realize this after careful analysis of all the contradictions, flaws, and continuity errors.
Don't worry, in time you'll see just how bad these sequel movies were because they have far...far more flaws and continuity errors than did the prequels.
Again, I can only hope Disney will correct this mistake.
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Just like a coward to threaten to report someone and then throw insults after having lost an argument.
You've just earned a block.
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Even though I'm not totally unsympathetic to how some canon people view things, you well you stated how many feel about people hating on the most epic 9 part film saga EVER.
I've seen similar stuff going on with Star Trek fandom too.
It's just sad some would rather spend their limited time and energy bashing things they don't like rather than being truly like Light Side people and encouraging others to find their better angels.
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I like JJ's work from simply an entertainment value personally, though I do understand what you mean.
Rogue One was excellent!
The Mandalorian may well surpass most of what we've seen before too.
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He did a great job on Star Trek 2009, but doesn't have that same magic with Star Wars.
The Mandalorian (thus far) has been great.
There is a few minor issues, but nothing egregious.
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We gotta keep the egregiousness to a manageable level.
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I hope Disney does roll back the Woke nonsense.
That seems to be the main source of egregious mistakes.
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You can "thank" Emperor Palpatine for that... all part of his Final Order.
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Yeah, the most powerful Star Destroyers ever! It doesn't seem possible. How could Sidious build that many Star Destroyers without anyone knowing?
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I'll buy that, actually. Probably the same way he was able to hide the Clone Army.
Now, where did he get the manpower for those ships? Each Star Destroyer has a crew of about 30,000. It is said he had THOUSANDS Of them. He'd need about a BILLION people for that.
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Assuming the cloning facility on Kamino wasn't destroyed.
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Or simply offsite backup cloning facilities on Exogol.
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Got to be clones. The Empire stopped using them when they're accelerated aging caused them to be unable to perform their duties anymore, but the idea wasn't forgotten.
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Exactly!
And whose to say those clone limitations weren't overcome.
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Well, now that I think about it, Sidious DID make those Snoke clones, so who is to say he didn't make more for ship crews?
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That's right Lando! We've got a back up on the 405. Looks like traffic's going to be a bottle neck for some time. Use the Rishi Maze as an alternate route until you reach the Kessel Run Bypass...
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I'm still feeling shock and awe from all the ships Lando and company got to join in for the final battle!
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(Eventually I may see it.....may...)
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I was really hoping for the Darth Jar Jar theory to be true....
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