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I stuffed him in chainmail. I put him on a horse. I even managed a few little pieces of armor here and there. And yet I couldn't get rid of those sunglasses. They are Dave. There is no Dave without the glasses, I swear.Also, only Dave could raise a sword in a rousing salute on a rearing horse with dramatic lighting streaming in behind him and maintain such a deadpan expression. I mean, he's just... :l with invisible eyes.
This was a full day project. I'm not sure I ever want to draw chainmail again, at least not without first studying the hell out of it. How do those links fit together?!
That said, enjoy, and check out my other artwork! I've got fanart, original art, scribbly art, prints available on dA, and I'm considering commissions (feel free to PM me any time to discuss this if you're curious or interested).
Dave Strider / Homestuck (c) Andrew Hussie
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av-marten [2012-07-26 05:41:42 +0000 UTC]
This is an ironic stunt, of course. At least that's what he'd tell people. Because he's secretly wanted to do this seriously ever since he found out his Sburb title. That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 05:53:54 +0000 UTC]
Can I share that headcanon? Because I love it. XD
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 06:00:27 +0000 UTC]
It's common knowledge that all Americans secretly want to be knights the same way all British people secretly want to be cowboys.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 06:14:17 +0000 UTC]
And Dave got his wish. Lucky bug.
But can you imagine if "Cowboy" was a class? Cowboy of Hope. Cowboy of Rage. Cowboy of Time.
Question then is, how to convert that ten-gallon hat into a ten-gallon God-Hood?
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 06:30:19 +0000 UTC]
It would probably be something more dignified and badass, like "Rancher" or "herdsman" or "wrangler".
And another thing; there's a Page and a Knight, but why not a Squire? Or, going with the medieval-type classes, a Baron? An Earl (okay, maybe that's a bit lame)? I hear Monk is a popular fanon class, and everyone speculates that uu's class will be Lord. Oh, how about a Ranger?
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 07:15:29 +0000 UTC]
"Wrangler of Breath/Life/Doom/etc." I like it. And it'd be..."One who alters the course of X/brings X to others" or something like that.
Monk is probably popular because people keep getting that result in that online title test. XD
Though I did notice the lack of Squire. Apparently you get to skip a step. And there are too many medieval titles to be bothered with, really. Like "Vassal" or "Serf," for instance. "Princess" as the counterpart to "Prince," and "King" and "Queen" for epic classes.
I like Ranger. You could also have a Watchman/Guard. Or a Judge.
I'm with those speculating "Lord of Time." The whole "Lord English" thing just begs for that title.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 08:04:07 +0000 UTC]
Sentry might be a good one. Perhaps "one who defends the X of others". I also like the idea of an active/passive pair of classes where the descriptions are "one who nurtures and feeds one's own X" and "one who nurtures and feeds the X of others". Don't know what they'd be called, though. They could go either way in terms of positivity or negativity, too; like rage and doom as apposed to hope and life.
I subscribe to that too, but mainly because I don't think Hussie could resist the obligatory "Time Lord" joke. I mean, for goodness' sake, he named the firefly Serenity.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 08:37:51 +0000 UTC]
Sentry: "One who defends X or defends others by X."
As for nurturing/feeding, I can't begin to guess what title that could be.
I hadn't considered that joke! Oh, dear...well, at least in that case I can tell my Dr. Who-loving, Homestuck-oblivious friend that the webcomic I read has its own Time Lord, don't you know.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 08:45:35 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps "Matron of X" for the passive version, as an all-female class?
It took me surprisingly long to get the Serenity thing. Like, literally a week ago is when it hit me.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 09:00:29 +0000 UTC]
Matron: One who allows X to be nurtured or nurturing through X
???: One who nurtures X or nurtures through X
Hm. I'd actually make the Matron active, because mothers don't allow, they do. The passive one could be something like "Saint," perhaps. The nurturing therefore wouldn't be a result of something they controlled, but a sort of static effect which hangs around or builds up as long as they're present or in contact with someone.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 09:05:35 +0000 UTC]
Hm, I always thought active classes did things for their own benefit, while passive classes did things for others. Like Thief/Rogue; the passive Rogue doesn't allow X to be stolen, it steals for the benefit of others.
Sburb classes sure are weird.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 09:29:42 +0000 UTC]
True. There seems to be two ways of splitting them, then. With Thief and Rogue, Thief steals for itself while Rogue steals for others. But with Prince and Bard, Prince destroys/destroys through X, but Bard allows X to be destroyed or destruction through X.
Yeah, and it's almost impossible to guess what each class really does, especially once you add the aspects into the equation. :I
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 19:23:48 +0000 UTC]
I thought the allowing bit was just a Bard thing, myself. But don't quote me; I don't write the comic, so I wouldn't know. Obviously the only person who would know about this is Hussie.
We still technically don't know what Heirs are supposed to do. I know a lot of people say it's like an active Knight, where they use their aspect to protect themselves instead of others, but I don't think it was ever brought up in canon.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 20:08:12 +0000 UTC]
Personally, I'm going with the "varying formulae" hypothesis. Not that I'm quotable either. Hussie could do anything, really.
Nope, Heir has never been laid out or explained for us. Heck, most of the classes and aspects are still technically unknown, with only vague guesses and so on floating around the fandom. We don't even know if Knight is active or passive, or if it really has anything to do with protection at all (though I do think that is its purpose in my own personal headcanon, given how Dave has protected his teammates and Karkat has tried so hard to do so for his as well).
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 22:12:30 +0000 UTC]
It's also speculated that Knights have a hand in helping the Hero of Space with the frog breeding, going by Karkat and Dave's respective roles.
Then there's that really popular headcanon that, while it would make a lot of sense, I really hope it won't become actual canon, that in order to reach their full potential as destroyers, Princes must first have their aspects destroyed. Like how Eridan lost hope in the end, people think something will happen to break Dirk's heart.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-26 22:45:58 +0000 UTC]
Oooh, hadn't heard the 'destroyer' headcanon before. And the worst part is how very possible it is that this might happen. Hussie has no qualms about breaking characters' hearts, as much as the fandom cries every time.
But perhaps that's how a Prince becomes a destroyer OF their aspect rather than THROUGH it? (Trying to find loopholes in the headcanon here, don't mind me ) Eridan lost hope and so destroyed hope in turn. If Dirk lost his heart/soul, then perhaps he would destroy other souls (makes some sense psychologically that way, too). Whereas if, perhaps, Eridan could have kept his hope intact, he might have destroyed something else through that hope and subsequent perseverance, thus still reaching his full princely potential, just in a different direction. Which makes his descent all the more tragic.
Beats me how one can destroy through souls, though. I imagine that if that's the path Hussie wants to take, he'll find a way. If not, we shall simply have to live with it.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-26 23:40:06 +0000 UTC]
I'm still wondering how Gamzee ended up in the new session before the others, and also just what the hey he thinks he's doing. A lot of optimistic people are thinking that the reason he keeps unloading troll blood on the Maid of Life is that he's hoping she can do some kind of "lifey thing" again and bring his friends back.
I dunno, maybe he can destroy things by tapping the power of his heart and soul. Like in animes. Wait, 'scuse me I meant THE POWEEEERRRRRR OF HIS HEEEEAAARRRRRT AND SOOOOOOUUUUUUUULLLL. Okay I'm having Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann mental images, I need to stop now.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-27 06:23:02 +0000 UTC]
I have been on-and-off wondering that myself. So far I've decided to put it down that "He's a Bard. He's unpredictable, crazy, and beyond comprehension. It's just what he does."
That, or Time Shenanigans. A lot can be explained by Time Shenanigans, and goodness knows whether or not our Time Lord might be involved. After all, that's another one who's always Already There when you wish he wasn't or think he shouldn't be.
Gamzee did use Equius' void-blood to obscure certain lines in Rose's book, which somehow made its way to Calliope, probably through more Time Shenanigans. Aside from that, yeah, unloading all those "potions" on the Maid of Life, and on top of it trying to prototype her sprite with dead trolls does somewhat indicate a possible attempt to revive them. Of course, the likelihood that this is all a set up on Hussie's part and there's something else entirely going on is also extremely high.
XD
Dirk is the Anime Shades guy. It makes sense. All that "Swear on my Soul" power up stuff, and power from the soul, and so on and so forth in various shonen manga...
I'll die laughing if at least one of Dirk's "Powers" or even one of his Fraymotifs is some word or phrase in badly-translated Japanese.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-27 06:50:16 +0000 UTC]
I can't help hoping things work out for him, though. I really like Gamzee and even though he did kill my patron troll I hope he gets a happy ending. Speaking of which, have you ever read the fanfic "Miracle Child"? It's much like those post-game AU fics where, after winning the game, the kids end up on a restored Earth with everything back the way it was; the difference is that it's the trolls who end up on a restored Alternia with everything back the way it was. So it starts when they're all eight sweeps and it's time for them to leave the planet and join the fleet, except Karkat (along with Nepeta, Tavros, and Sollux) dodges conscription and goes into hiding to finish what his ancestor started. Gamzee's the main character, which is interesting. It's on AO3 here if you're interested: [link] but it also has a tumblr blog (miraclechildask.tumblr.com) with supplemental material.
My friend says I'm obsessed with the Strider brothers. She is entirely right. It is my headcanon that Dirk listens to J-Pop unironically, and knows several of the dances.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-27 16:16:16 +0000 UTC]
Thanks - I'll check it out! While Gamzee isn't my favorite and I don't particularly like him, I don't dislike him either. He sort of hovers in neutral territory for me, I guess, as I wait to see where his personality takes him now that he's presumably completely sober, yet tamed by the mighty Shooshpap.
When you mentioned Dirk knowing/doing Jpop dances unironically, I got a little image flash in my head. Have your parents ever done something you found embarrasing at five, six, seven years old? Like singing along to the silly song tape in the car for instance, and little you starts whining their names?
Dirk: *dancin*
LittleDave: "Broooo-ooooo! Stop that - it's stupid!"
Dirk: *doesn't stop, lies through teeth* "It's for the irony, little man. The irony."
LittleDave: "Oh. Okay, then, I guess."
XD
My favorite humans are actually Rose and Jade for various reasons, though it has to be said that John and Dave are not far behind, and that Dirk is now an epitome of Homestuck Awesome as well. And John's Dad was great on Derse. And...how does Hussie make so many amazing and lovable characters?
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 00:07:02 +0000 UTC]
I don't know why I love Gamzee so much. It's always the crazy ones with me, I guess. I dunno.
That would explain why Dave claims Bro's irony is so great as to be beyond comprehension; it's not irony, he's being completely serious about everything and that's why Dave doesn't get it. The J-Pop headcanon was inspired by this thing I reblogged on tumblr: [link] and the fact that MMD videos are kind of a guilty pleasure of mine.
Honestly, I love all the humans. They are all wonderful. John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Jane, Roxy, Dirk, and Jake. All of them. They are all special in their own motherfuckin' way. If I really favored any of them, I would be loving it more than the others. And that's unfair. Also, John's Dad was great everywhere. He is the best parent ever.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 00:48:25 +0000 UTC]
I think I prefer "sane but so clever they seem to do crazy things, except those things turn out to be not so crazy after all." Kind of like Dirk at the end of Synchronize.
We have found the truth behind Dirk's amazing irony! Questions have been answered. Which questions, I don't know, but they have been nonetheless.
They're all adorable, yes. I am somewhat guilty of favoring a few over others, but I don't dislike any of them, or even put any of them in neutral zones. That's one thing which I really have to give Hussie a great deal of credit for: each and every one of his characters is distinct, in more than just a typing quirk or appearance. If you stripped the odd typing habits away and just had sound bytes of them speaking with one another in conversation, all voices we've never technically heard before, it would still be so easy to tell who was who. Their personalities shine.
I ship John's Dad and Rose's Mom. Not hard or obnoxiously, just in a matter-of-fact, this-was-working manner. Then they died. And then the whole mess was scratched, and Roxy/Jane's Dad simply wasn't going to happen, however attractive she found him. And that's another thing I appreciate with Hussie; no OTPs crossing the boundaries of alternate universes. You give a universe new parameters and new interactions, and even identical incarnations of various characters aren't guaranteed to end up together in the same ways. Hints can happen, because there's still something of a personality base to account for similarities in taste, but it's not like he forces A and B together because a and b were.
/rant ended. Let's just say I appreciate Homestuck and how it thumbs its nose at certain tropes and conventions expected of the Alternate Universe thing.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 00:54:57 +0000 UTC]
YES. For some reason my brother didn't really get invested in the characters when he read it a few years ago, but I've just gotten so attached to them all.
I loved the Dad/Mom ship! That was so adorable. Really, the deaths of all the guardians were sad, though I think I was most surprised and upset when Bro died. I will be perfectly honest in saying that I did NOT see that one coming. I should have, but I really didn't; the possibility that Hussie might kill him off didn't enter into my mind for some reason. In fact, going to a con dressed as Bro Strider is on my bucket list. I'm trying to work out how I'm going to get the glasses, because everything else is easy.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 01:44:28 +0000 UTC]
I think some people just don't care, period. My dad, for instance, never really seems to care much about characters who die in movies...or at least, he rarely does. I assume that's a symptom of character-apathy.
I, on the other hand, cried when Vriska died and I read that final pesterlog from her to John. Though not half as hard as my sister did. She needed tissues for her sniffles and everything.
So sweet! And I really think that Dave cared more about Bro's death than he let on. Seriously, those glasses hid his eyes so completely, and can you really trust everything he types about his emotions? He also went to some effort, it seems, to keep his face hidden after failing to break the sword. I maintain a headcanon that he was desperately trying to distract himself enough to quell tears at the time.
That would be awesome - and yes, quite the simple cosplay aside from those dumb shades. I know others have found/made them before. Perhaps look up internet tutorials?
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 02:19:51 +0000 UTC]
To me, the saddest deaths were Nepeta, Vriska, Tavros all three guardians, and all the times the kids died, too. I was making sad porpoise noises throughout the entirety of Seer: Descend. Just... you could tell Rose was trying so hard to tell John that his dad was dead, but she just couldn't. And then in the flash directly after that, the look on John's face when he sees his dad was just... gah. Then right after that is Dave coming upon his brother's body, and I had to leave my computer before I started crying like a wee little princess.
And yeah, Dave was definitely holding a lot back. I am willing to bet a substantial amount of money that Hussie meant the command "Dave: Break" to have a double meaning. And, of course, when he told Terezi "im not a hero. my bro was. john is. im not." I just wanted to hug him so hard. You know what he needs? He needs a good cry. It'd be healthy, releasing all those hormones.
I did find a tutorial to make them, but I'm not sure if i can get the materials and tools I'd need.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 02:55:25 +0000 UTC]
Kanaya's was also sad to me, because it was preceeded directly by Eridan Hope'sploding the Matriorb, and then she went epic-leaping for him in anger, and...just..Dead. All of the sudden. Same with Feferi, really. That whole section of Act V.
Seer: Descend was just heartstring-rending. And right afterwards the two kids gear up to fight their parent-guardians' killer and John just gets dropped immediately, and I'm sitting there with great wide eyes and a dropped jaw...
That line was made into a little Flash animation by someone incredible here on dA. It's in my favorites, as is the smoother anime-style remake they recently did. And that Flash was what finally convinced me to read Homestuck ages ago, because it's what told me that the comic wasn't all about grey-skinned horned people doing nothing but swearing at each other. It had real feelings behind it, more than all the silly fan-comics and epic fan-art cropping up on dA.
That tricky, huh? I wonder if there's a simple way to go about it. Sadly, I can't think of a single substance which would be both transparent and darkly tinted enough to pass for sunglass lenses aside from actual sunglass lenses.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 03:10:47 +0000 UTC]
All the deaths among the trolls made Aradia's resurrection all the more awesome and heartwarming. After all the killing and bloodshed, the dreamselves being massacred and half the trolls getting killed off for real, the one who started off dead gets another chance at life. "You're done with dying" just made me want to stand up and cheer.
Oh, another thing that broke my heart was finding out how the Alpha versions of Jade, Dave, and Rose died. That was a real punch in the gut, Jade because she died all alone and left Jake all alone, and Dave and Rose because they went down fighting together.
I can't wait for the alpha and beta kids to finally meet. Just... so many first impressions and interactions I want to see. Rose and Roxy, Dave and Dirk, John and Dirk, Nannasprite and Jane, Davesprite and Dirk, Jaspersprite and Roxy... gah! When will this hiatus end? I wrote short fic about how I imagine Dave and Dirk's first meeting going down, just to tide myself over, but I am just salivating for the next update.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 04:26:14 +0000 UTC]
Aradia really came a long way as a character through all her incarnations. Ever heard the song "Temporal Shenanigans"? Excellent work - it covers her as a ghost, as a robot, and finally as God Tier and alive again.
That whole flash bit with Jack Noir running rampant through Derse, as well as the bit with Prospit during Jade's entrance, was terrible and epic and everything all at once. That semi-animated section where Karkat finally woke up for the first time especially - him looking up, seeing and recognizing Jack, and staring in disbelief as everything explodes in green...I just keep thinking poor baby every time I see it.
Jade's was the worst, I think, because she didn't go out looking for battle. She didn't arrange things for her ancestor/descendant and then resolve to face the monster responsible for everything knowing that she might not or wouldn't come back. She just went out exploring ruins like any other day and was culled and died dragging herself back home. And while Alpha Dave and Rose were also terrible because they knew what would happen, it was also amazing and heroic because they knew what would happen, if that makes any sense.
I can't wait either, and I can't imagine how any of it will go because they're such different people, with so many different possibilities and situations they can get into and everything! The first meetings might not even be along the lines of "Guardian, here is Yours," but rather something like "Dirk, meet Jade. Roxy, meet John. etc."
Seriously, Hussie can go anywhere and do anything with this, and I look forward to seeing whatever it is he does.
This Flash. Will be. Made of. Epic. That's all I ask, and it's all I expect. It doesn't even have to surpass Cascade, because right now I'm not sure anything can surpass Cascade, but it must be Epic.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 05:18:58 +0000 UTC]
Oh God, Karkat's awakening on Prospit. That look on his face was just pure betrayal. Everything just went so wrong for the trolls. I really hope they get their happy ending; goodness knows, they've been through enough to deserve it.
It was even worse because Jake was left all alone. Poor thing had to cremate his own grandmother and raise himself after that. Maybe that's one of the reasons Dirk fell in love with him, because Jake knows what that's like?
You know, back to that one quote from Dave we were talking about, I had this mental image of how John would react to it. "If I'm so much better at being a hero than you, how come I couldn't save my dad?"
YES. Every Flash is epic, but... man, if I had a smidgen less self control, I would be bludgeoning my forehead against every hard surface.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 17:25:32 +0000 UTC]
Things can turn around for them, I think. At least some are left. It's possible - expensive, but possible - to alchemetize a Matriorb. Their Space player is still around to do so. The kids have all the ingredients necessary to create a new universe, one which might well be a new home for both the humans and the trolls, assuming they can learn to get along. I've definitely got hope.
Possibly. But do you get the feeling, as I do, that what Dirk's looking for in Jake is almost an attempt at kismessitude? Seriously. It's like his idea of courtship is sending a robotself to wail on Jake in an effort to make him stronger. That's got some vague Vriska>Tavros echos to it, and Dirk's been living on an earth which was under the Condesce's control since before his birth, as evidenced by his tendency to use "wiggling day" rather than "birth day." Having little human culture to work from aside from that in movies, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually does attempt to work from a more trollish perspective. XD
Aaaaw, John's another one that needs hugs. I'm sure that would be his thoughts, though. I doubt he considers himself a hero either, though I imagine he'd aspire to be one at least.
You don't want to do that. You might end up too hurt to appreciate the flash once it does come out.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 19:00:14 +0000 UTC]
Oh God. Oh god everyone's dead. Everyone. Even the people who were already died just died even more. What the actual fuck, Hussie. Just... what the actual fuck. Oh god oh god oh god Hussie just ripped my heart out and stomped all over it whyyyyyyy I'm going to be spazzing out all morning and my parents won't know why and I won't be able to explain it because Homestuck is hard to explain and how do I explain that I'm sad because all the dead characters died? I can't
I will say this, though; Caliborn is a very catchy name. And thankfully, Vriska and Tavros will probably be all right, since they already left a while ago to "fuck shit up".
Yeah, I was thinking that, too. But then, I think that might be just a Dirk Strider thing instead of a Dirk Strider Working From A Trollish Perspective thing. After all, his beta self raised Dave in pretty much the exact same way; remember how Dave mentioned that he had to get used to being randomly attacked if he got up to go to the bathroom at night? yes, it is very much like Vriska and Tavros, but I think she was pursuing a matespritship with him, anyway, and she later treated John in a similar manner. I think that's just how Dirk and Vriska show their loved ones that they do, indeed, love them; they help them to get stronger. Vriska's problem was that Tavros needed a different kind of help, one that she didn't know how to give. In contrast, Jake not only can take it, but he actually asked for it. And sure, Dirk kind of went overboard with the impossible-to-defeat robot, but when Jake beats it that is the day he becomes a man. Or something.
Huh. That actually helped the all-consuming update feels. Thanks!
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 19:52:47 +0000 UTC]
WHYYYYYY???? Why would LE do that? Was it a way to break paradox space? Break into paradox space? Was there some sort of chance that the deadselves could somehow fight him or thwart him or something? Was he just trying to ascend on that quest bed by blowing the whole bubble up, including himself? GAH!!!
I pity all Pages now, though. That God Tier outfit is frankly embarrasing.
It is catchy. More than that, though, look at this:
CALliope
CALiborn
CAL. LIL CAL. IT IS A MONSTER, AS WE HAVE ALWAYS FEARED. DAVE WAS RIGHT. CAL IS JUST...WRONG.
Whatever the details of that connection are, they'll be mindblowing, I just know it.
It's possible. Though I'm not sure if Vriska was going for a matespritship or not - it's hard for me to read personally, because of all those flashing hearts/spades icons of confusion which kept cropping up.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 20:06:52 +0000 UTC]
Well if LE is Caliborn, which is looking more and more probable with every update, Caliborn did say he wanted to kill everything, didn't he? On the bright side, he only destroyed one of the dream bubbles. Remember, there are many. And furthermore, I watched it again and couldn't help but notice that all the characters who died in that dream bubble were dreamselves and alternate/doomed versions. I did see one normal-looking Equius, but considering that hundreds of doomed Aradiabots exist, it's hard to say who's from a doomed timeline and who isn't. Also, there was a happy lack of Meenah and Aranea in that flash.
PERSISTENT OPTIMIST, THAT'S ME.
Yeah, it seems like the God Tier outfits get more and more stupid looking. Especially the male ones. Mainly the male ones. The Bard gets a cod piece, the Prince gets poofy shorts and a duck cap, the Knight gets a condom hood, and now the Page gets tighty whities. As someone on tumblr pointed out, "I mean the only acceptable one is Heir bUT THEN YOU PUT JOHN IN IT."
Oh yeah, of course we all notice the Cals. One of the popular theories for uu's name was Caligula. Everyone knows Lil Cal is evil.
Well, it doesn't really matter what she was going for, because she treated Tavros and John fairly similarly, the difference being that John, being John, could take it and Tavros couldn't, like how beta Dirk treated Dave much like how alpha Dirk treats Jake.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 22:19:33 +0000 UTC]
Very true. KEEP HOPE!
So much pity, and not in the trollish way either. I'm just sort of ashamed for them. :I
Though I must say, I can see Eridan pulling off the puffy princely pants quite well.
As for the Bard...well, if you equate Bard to Fool or Jester, then the prominant thingy was a matter of course historically speaking. And the Knight? The way I see it, the hood is emulating the shape and size of a chainmail hood, which was typically rather close to the head. I didn't mind that so much.
But yes, Heir was the best and simplest of them all, aside from that amazing windsock hood . And John is awesome enough on his own.
Oh, did you also notice very particular similarities between the meteor the trolls are on and the meteor the Cals lived in? I call temporal shenanigans again: they will almost certainly turn out to be, if not the same meteor precisely, then the same one in alternate timelines or something odd like that. XP
True, true.
By the way, I finished "Miracle Child" (or at least the chapters that are up) and enjoyed it quite a bit. Is it a frequent updater? I'll have to keep checking back on it.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 22:35:06 +0000 UTC]
Hussie can kill my patron troll. He can kill characters I like. He can kill them Many Times Over. but he will never kill MY OPTIMISM!
I love the windsock hood. I want the windsock hood. I could maybe pull of making it. Maybe, maybe not.
I'm pretty sure that it is the same meteor; it would explain how Calliope found Rose and Kanaya's book. Time shenanigans is not out of the question, now that we have three Heroes of Time on our hands. Four, if you count Aradia's ancestor.
The fic updates on AO3 for the full chapters, but updates shorter, more frequent snippets on the kink meme. If you fall the tumblr (miraclechildask.tumblr.com), bramblepatch posts whenever there's an update on the meme. In fact, there are several more updates beyond what's on AO3. Plus supplemental material, characters answering questions, and such.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 22:41:26 +0000 UTC]
And he probably will kill them all, the rate he's going.
Make a whole cloak to go with the windsock hood. What color would you make it?
It would explain it indeed, though I believe Aradia's ancestor is dead, killed by the Condesce.
I'll probably have to look now, despite my minimal experience with tumbler. Thanks!
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 22:49:22 +0000 UTC]
Don't jinx it now!
I'm talking about cosplay. John's is definitely the easiest god tier outfit to do.
Lord English or no Lord English, we all know death is cheaper than a pack of gum in the Homestuck universe. Plus, there's still the Pre-Scratch version of her ancestor whose name we do not know yet. Yes she's dead too, but she's probably not Dead dead like the ghosts in the dream bubble English destroyed.
Hey, you know what would be weird? I'm pretty sure Dirk said that Post-Scratch Jade took Lord English's name and made it Jake's surname as a way to taunt the Condesce. What if, as a sort of mobius double-reacharound paradox, Caliborn becomes Lord English by taking Jake English's name as a way to taunt Dirk?
Don't get lost in the archive, it's a bit long.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-28 23:21:23 +0000 UTC]
I think it's only jinxing if you say something won't happen and then it does.
Oooh, okay, I get it now. Yeah, I couldn't cosplay as anyone with short hair if I wanted to. XD
There is the pre-scratch version, yes, running around someplace. Goodness knows if/how she could help anything, though. As for death being cheap, I sort of thought that only those who died in or as part of the game could enter dream bubbles? After all, we saw John's dad in a bubble, yet it was clear that it wasn't him so much as a memory of him. This means none of the actual ancestors would end up in the bubbles, because they weren't players...assuming this theory is correct, at any rate.
I've thought of that myself! And I could completely see Hussie pulling a paradox like that, Jake English being so named after the demon and the demon taking that name from Jake English for some reason or other. Taunting Dirk works with me.
Oh, I just skimmed for the most recent writings, then I left. Too bewildering otherwise, working through questions and events and things backwards.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-28 23:30:37 +0000 UTC]
Whenever I get into a series, I actually examine my favorite characters and judge how difficult it would be to cosplay as them. I have short hair, so that opens a lot of possibilities for me.
I don't know. Who even knows. Hussie knows, but he's not telling until he actually gets to it in the comic. We're all just swept along. We are as insects in the face of Hussie's godlike genius. We can only speculate and argue and form cults.
I thought of something less meaningful to the plot but more lightheartedly amusing: Dirk was the one who made that robot leg for Caliborn, wasn't he? If I may direct your attention to Equius's little prank on Vriska on this old, old page: [link] I see a robo kick in Caliborn's future and oh dear I must draw this now.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-29 01:13:36 +0000 UTC]
Cosplay's never really occurred to me until recently, when I did Jade. Isn't it funny how the longer one's hair gets, the more options shrink because of it? Easy to jam a long wig over short hair. Harder to jam a short wig over long hair. XP
Oh, I hadn't considered that possibility. Did Dirk make the leg? I can't recall him working on any projects for Caliborn (well, aside from drawing all the shippy fluff-stuff at any rate)...but if so, that would be hilarious!
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-29 01:18:23 +0000 UTC]
For some reason, I think about it all the time when I'm engaging in fandom shenanigans. Fananigans.
I'm pretty sure he did. Someone on tumblr said he did, too. Don't know where else he'd get it, because it's not like he can call up Equius.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-29 02:03:04 +0000 UTC]
XD
My fananigans are mostly crossover-related. Like making Troll-inspired KH keyblades, or deciding on Homestuck titles for Bleach characters. My other fananigan set seems to be redesigning attire and so on according to certain guidelines. For instance, I've taken this Medievalstuck concept and I have started running with it. I have pencil-sketched designs for all the Alpha and Beta kids and four of the trolls done already. Though I will admit that I'm doing them all with cosplay sort of in mind...just not my own cosplay.
In that case, I'll accept that. I sort of half-assumed that he might have made it himself - we never got the rundown on his interests and hobbies, really, aside from soliciting fluff pics under the guise of "porn" from Dirk, wanting to kill everything, and playing games of deceit and guile with Calliope.
On a side note, I love the music in the new flash. I keep listening to it over and over.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-29 02:14:09 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I've been doing plenty of that, too. My friend and I keep discussing homestuck crossovers, like putting the Homestuck characters in the roles of other fandoms' characters. So far we've done My Little Pony, Lord of the Rings, Oliver in Company (still not sure how we got to that one), and we attempted to do Bones but that one didn't work out very neatly, unfortunately. We're also both fans of the Percy Jackson series and hashed out the Greek god parentage of demigod versions of the trolls and both sets of kids. (John would have Aeolus, Rose would have Athena, Equius and Dirk would both have Hephaestus, that sort of thing.)
Heheh, "I WILL HAVE MY POuND OF SMuT." Oh, speaking of that quote, someone on tumblr noticed this: [link] which I thought was interesting and also utterly unsurprising considering this is Hussie we're dealing with.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-29 02:52:21 +0000 UTC]
I don't put characters in other roles so much as wonder "if they ever met..."
For instance, I'm not sure how well LotR characters could wrap their heads around the idea of a Troll species which was more human than the trolls they are accustomed to, yet not human enough to be considered such.
Ah, Percy Jackson! Fun books. I agree about Rose and Athena. The wisdom theme suits her well.
Oh now that is interesting indeed. And, I'm with you here, not too surprising. He's shown a penchant for embedding elements from classics into his webcomic. I'm especially fond of the LotR elements found in Dave Strider weilding a broken sword, and his (so far) ultimate blade being a Royal Deringer which Jack used to cut the Ring from the Black Queen's hand.
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-29 06:23:29 +0000 UTC]
Oh, we were on a road trip together and this was how we decided to entertain ourselves.
We also decided Aradia-Hades, Nepeta-Hunter of Artemis, Roxy-Dionysus, Sollux-Zeus (because of the lightning), Feferi-Poseidon, and so on and so forth. I can't remember all of them.
Not to mention the 2001 Space Odyssey and Red Dwarf shoutouts with the Auto Responder. Hussie can be surprisingly sophisticated.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-29 17:06:11 +0000 UTC]
Sounds like some entertainment. Once my sister and I sorted all the major cast of a crazy manga she likes and I enjoy for its rare epic bits into Hogwarts houses, including teacher positions, just for kicks. We saved our results in a word document, though, so I still have those.
If you went with Roman gods instead of Greek, you might be able to stick Sollux to Janus, the god of beginnings (and, subsequentially, endings) with two faces. Just for the duality thing. On the other hand, Zeus works decidedly well, given that he was the father of the twins Pollux and Castor, who often symbolise Gemini and for whom Sollux Captor was named.
Did you pin Karkat under Ares? He's certainly got the temper and the mouth for it, much as that seems to be there to hide the fact he cares and despite his weakness for romcoms.
See, I miss half the references Hussie makes because I don't know the source material. XD
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-29 19:23:41 +0000 UTC]
We once basically RP'ed a scene of some of the living trolls interacting with the mane six of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I still want to post that sometime.
I think we put Dave under Hades, too, though I can't remember why. I think it's because he's died so many times. We would have decided on Hera for Kanaya except making demigods isn't really Hera's thing, but Demeter worked for Jane. Gamzee has Ares, of course, and I think we gave someone Apollo but I can't remember who. I can't remember who we put for Karkat, but I think it was Ares.
Same here. I totally missed the Merchant of Venice thing, because I'm not exactly up to date on my Shakespeare works.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-29 21:45:23 +0000 UTC]
You could place Kanaya under Hestia. She's the goddess of the homefire and the hearth, the center and protector of every home. As for Gamzee, I'd personally place him under Dionysus, as that god ruled all types of intoxication and insanity from what I recall, which really covers sopor slime and withdrawal in my head.
Dave...you know, it's too bad there isn't a distinct God of Time.
I caught the MoV reference in the "pound of smut" thing, but the title of that song being "Eternity's Shylock" isn't something I knew, and I would never have put together such an analysis/foreshadow guess. It helps that my last semester at college included a course on Shakespeare, and one of the last plays we read was Merchant. Which brings me to the thought that it would be awesome if the cherubs' world was called Malta (or something similar), as Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice was basically a twist and rewrite on a way more depressing play at the time called "The Jew of Malta."
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av-marten In reply to Oreramar [2012-07-30 00:51:46 +0000 UTC]
Hm, didn't think of that for Gamzee. Makes sense, though. Which would make Roxy and Gamzee half siblings. Which is kind of frightening, really.
Dave might work as a son of Ares, since I believe Aradia mentioned that Knights are a warrior class who use their aspect as a weapon.
Speaking of Gamzee, someone pointed out that there was not a single dead alternate Gamzee in the dream bubble that exploded. Meaning that in all the hundreds of doomed timelines that produced Aradiabots and god tier versions of Tavros, Eridan, Feferi, and Karkat, Gamzee has not died once. Of course, the same could be said of, say, Nepeta, since the only version we saw of her was her dream self. And of course we wouldn't see Gamzee's dream self, because he ascended somewhere down the line.
I took an English Literature class, but the only Shakespeare works we read were a couple of sonnets and Othello.
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Oreramar In reply to av-marten [2012-07-30 01:21:58 +0000 UTC]
You know, I wonder if Equius might have wished he was a son of Apollo, given the whole archery thing. Poor guy.
And oh gods what was Eridan? Because I just got it in my head that he might have been a son of Hecate who always considered himself a son of Aphrodite and felt shunned by his true mother's claim because it wasn't what he wanted, hence his insistence on science over magic and his near-obsession with finding a partner, any partner.
I'm having fun with this. Can't you tell? :3
That would make Dave and Karkat half-brothers as well...something I don't think Karkat would much appreciate. Imagining them sharing a cabin is like imagining an invitation to destruction.
It's hard to say that sort of thing, because it sort of assumes that single dream bubble contained every alter-dead and completely-dead kid and troll from the entire game, and I rather suspect that Hussie has been somewhat close-to-the-chest about them all. I do expect to see other dead-selves despite this dream bubble explosion, though i could be proven wrong of course.
This class was all about Shakespeare, and all about his plays, and I think we averaged something like one play per week for the semester with a couple gaps for holidays and the like. So we covered quite a lot. Not Othello, though; I've only heard about that one, never actually read it.
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