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Calling it now.If "Seer" is not a gender-specific, female-only class, then I would peg the Pre-Scratch Signless as being it. It'd make some level of sense, given his post-scratch self's dreams of the past, possibly due to his unique blood (so Doc Scratch postulated at least)...and I kinda like the idea of the hood which can hide his eyes, even though he wouldn't have seen any particular need for it during the game since they likely didn't have anything against his odd blood color.
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Thanks, but I'm often wrong as well. For instance, I once predicted that some form of the Bunny would be Calliope's Juju and Lil Cal would be Caliborn's, and we all know how that turned out...though I guess I was half right since Caliborn adopted Cal as a Juju in the end.
So...Jade and John's ship will come out near where Prospit once was, and the asteroid riders will come to Dirk and Roxy's aid at Derse. This is not yet the final battle; they'll either Abscond or, if they do engage, it'll be cut short by something else.
Also, Kurloz and Gamzee mention a "Calicorn." IF this wasn't a typo, and IF it's not some sort of 'evolved' name Caliborn took before adopting Lord English, then perhaps, perhaps it's the adopted name of the theorized victorious Calliope. They could be double agents of a sort; you never know with clowns (or mimes, I guess).
I'm not sure what else to call. Homestuck can be too random to so accurately predict. I never, ever expected Jack Noir to get the gold peg-leg, tooth, and billiard ball eyes of Lord English. Still sort of reeling over that mess and trying to make sense of it. It's not working too well so far.
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One should not apply logic to Homestuck. It eats it up like a violent storm! XD
Weird, I noticed the gold tooth of Jack before, and wondered about a connection, but to that extend
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AH! UPDATE???
Thanks for the alert...though I'm now trying to watch it, but all I get on the page is "Error: your browser is too old to display content"
SO FRUSTRATING. >
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It's best if you use firefox or google chrome, apparently. Also, it's one of the flash games so you will need this: [link] It is a walkthrough. You might need it. I had to cry for help on my tumblr because I started before the walkthrough was posted and I suck at video games.
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Noooo! I hate Chrome! I have avoided downloading Chrome on this (or any) computer since my first heavily-annoying encounter with it! WHY, HUSSIE, WHY?
Seems I might be forced to bite that bullet anyhow.
Tell me, though...do we at least have a name? Or is he still Whats-his-face Vantas?
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Crap that was a lot of spoilers. I'm really sorry about that, I just can't contain my excitement. And my relief that this is pretty tame in comparison to the clustercuss that was the last update.
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We have met three and heard mention of two. We have Kankri Vantas, Latula Pyrope, Porrim Maryam, Meulin Leijon, and Mituna Captor.
Kankri is basically Hussie's middle finger pointed at social justice tumblr bloggers who take political correctness to its logical extreme. I still love him for some reason though. I think it's the red turtleneck.
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I just got Chrome and went through the whole thing and it's two thirty in the morning and I don't think I'm going to be sleeping anytime soon I'm just so 
Yeah.
Oh gods oh gods Karkat's face the poor little wiggler!
And I called so many things, I feel so pleased! Even though I pretty much dismissed "Knight of Mind" due to the too-nice symmetry of Karkat and Terezi's classes being swapped in their pre-scratch ancestors...so that's sort of like calling something accidentally and then making the mistake of saying "Naaaaaah" and being proved...well, accidentally right but ultimately wrong? I can't even make sense to myself anymore.
And I considered Maid of Space, at least briefly. So happy!
And I so knew that Karkat and Kankri's "shared trait" (as it were) would be eloquence and loquaciousness (hell, Karkat is almost NEVER short on words, as much as he bends his toward vulgarity and insult, and I figured his ancestor self would be similar, albeit turning his gift of gabbing toward the persuasive)...I just never expected it to go so damn far. In that, I think I sort of prefer Signless, since he really went out and tried to do something rather than, yes, be a politically correct blogger with a thesaurus in his throat.
I felt (probably even looked slightly) like Karkat, reading those posts. Eyes bugging, jaw dropped, making strangled little noises...save mine were far more amused and sympathetic toward our poor crabby troll.
Oh gods I have to sleep, but I don't know if I can anymore...
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What I was kind of expecting/hoping for with Kankri was something more along the lines of a coherent Gamzee. Like a very zen, love-freak-hippie-flower-child-hugs-for-everyone kind of personality. Still very much like a tumblr blog, but instead one of those "I love all you beautiful people" blogs instead of those "check your ____ privilege" blogs.
I'm still holding out for whether or not the Summoner's name is some six-letter variation of Rufio. Like Ruefio or Rufioh or Rufiyo or something. On the bright side, my friend and I now have more names to work with for the adult gypsies in our Victorianstuck story. They'll be closer to their Post-Scratch selves (or at least as much as we know about their Post-Scratch selves), but we will be using Kankri, Porrim, Muelin, and Mituna. In fact, I think Latula and the handmaid are the only ancestors we're excluding.
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I'm with you there. Perhaps less hippie-flower-child, but I was imagining a fairly open, compassionate, even huggy personality myself. Instead we got PC-thesaurus-blogger from Hell. Still, I'll give him some time. Maybe he'll grow on me a bit. Maybe...
Oh that would be too brilliant! Rufioh Nitram...if only!
I've got to wonder, though, how was Kankri named Kankri? Did he also have a crab lusus who was, it seems, rather fond of clicking noises? And if so, does that mean the Dolorosa named Signless that same name by some bizarre trollish twist of fate?
It's like someone took "cranky" and spelled it "kranki" and then switched the 'r' to a new position. I just can't figure out how to pronounce it right...
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Yeah, pretty much that. But if he's anything like Karkat he's got some hidden emotional depths in there somewhere. I mean, in another world he grew up to be Jesus. Plus, I think someone mentioned on the Homestuck wiki that his behavior is very similar to that of a rebellious teen, so maybe this is something he would have grown out of if he'd lived longer.
I'm wondering how lusii worked on Beforus, or if they even existed. A lusus like, say, Vriska's would have been hard to maintain in a peaceful society, and since the hemospectrum and culling were terms and concepts concerning caring for other trolls, would there have been any point in wrigglers being raised by monsters?
The name certainly lends itself to a lot of rude puns, doesn't it? Kranki, Kanker, and I can't be the only one who laughed when Latula called him Kankles.
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And that's why I'm waiting - in hope of those emotional depths.
Well, I remember a comment about Latula having a dragon lusus, so they presumably existed somehow...but yes, there's that problem with the spidermom and the G'somethingCthulubeast which was, in Doc Scratch's own admission, a 'gift' given to the troll race when Alternia was formed, which rather implies that it didn't exist on Beforus which rather implies that SOMETHING else was around for the tyrian blooded trolls...
That tiny little interaction between Latula and "Kankles" really spoke volumes to me. He just kind of...shut up and went with it almost like a puppy, and it sort of reminded me a bit of Karkat and Terezi. Just a bit, though not so much in personality as in presence. Ah well, shippers will ship, and Hussie seems to encourage all the craziness he possibly can in that area.
On a side note, it was almost bizarre to see Karkat eschew his typical LOUDNESS in favor of (whispering). Even he comes with volume control, it seems.
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I kind of ignored the Latula dragon lusus thing because Aranea says she was joking. Of course, we have no idea how much of that was joking, but whatever. Suddenly it's after 3 am and Speculationstuck is hard.
One of the popular theories was that Nepeta and Terezi's relationships with Karkat were the reverse of the Disciple and Redglare's relationships with the Signless; basically that Redglare would be the one quietly pining since Signless and Disciple were more "official". I guess that's debunked, though, because Kankri apparently isn't really into Meulin much. Wonder how Meulin feels about him. I guess we'll find out in the coming updates.
Yeah, I remember he did it before in one of the dialoglogs, though I can't remember which one. And I think it's really adorable how Meenah's taken a liking to him. I can see how she might respect his brand of leadership a lot more than she does Kankri's. For one thing, it seems to have been actually effective, considering that the beta trolls actually won their session.
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Ah, I sort of figured that she was only joking about using hearing to 'smell,' but you could easily have a point. And with a peaceful society, you shouldn't have that whole issue of adult trolls preying on the young ones whenever they did cross paths...
We are supposed to be running into other friends in the next game or two if I understand Aranea's words correctly (loved the Charlie Brown reference by the by). This is going to be like a massive new character information dump on the fandom, and it'll be beautiful.
That is bloody ironic, Meenah taking a liking to Karkat, considering what the Condesce would likely have done to him (or at least what would have been done under her rule)...yeah, it's probably his leadership style. And the shouting and cursing. And hey, to some extent she's probably just extremely happy that he's not Kankri reincarnate, and so almost any impression to that extent would have been at least somewhat favorable in her mind.
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For some reason I'm writing a short fanfic about Karkat blowing up and screaming his squawk blister raw at Kankri in proper Karkat fashion. What is wrong with me. It also disturbs me that I find it really easy to write Kankri's dialogue.
The Peanuts reference was amazing. And I keep just loving Meenah more and more and more every time I see her. The high-five with Dirk probably helped. Personally, I can't wait to meet the other ancestors, and I'm also pretty curious as to where Karkat's going. I think Aranea mentioned something about his old neighborhood, so I'm wondering who else might show up.
I think it's kind of nice that she's clearly making an effort to reach out to him, like when he runs off on the other side of the door and she comments on how hard it is to make friends. New platonic OTP! I want to see more of these two being bros.
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I've been requested to draw Karkat and Kankri as a God Tier duo, and my brain is already using this as an excuse to show Karkat finally blowing up at Kankri - probably after some ill-advised comments regarding Karkat's violent ways and his use of weaponry, etc. And if you're finding it easy to write Kankri's dialogue, I wouldn't mind some help regarding the exact wording. Karkat's is proving much clearer in my mind: "OH MY GOG WILL YOU JUST SHUT UP YOU" etc etc.
I will probably never love Meenah as a "good" character, the way I prefer to love my fictional peoples, but I cannot deny that she's very entertaining, interesting, and even awesome in a way (high-fives mostly)...and is it just me, or do the Thieves seem to have some sort of preoccupation with charging off after the biggest bad guy they can spot? Though to be fair, Meenah's more concerned with building an army to do so, whereas Vriska wanted to do it all on her own.
Goodness knows where Karkat's headed, or why. Perhaps he's gone to try and lock down or better hide the memories he considers especially private, since he's had to grant someone entry? First guess I can make.
But, yes, the first symptoms of the disease called friendship do seem to be showing! Again, I partly love it for the irony of the whole blood situation thing, but otherwise...yeah, I can kinda see the two getting along to some extent. Can't wait to see exactly where Hussie takes it.
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I just use a formal tone and big words and troll versions of various liberal buzzwords thrown around. I made up the word "cisviolet", for heaven's sake. And also every now and then I threw in a left-handed insult worded in such a way that it's clear that he's too oblivious to realize he's being insulting.
I had a sudden realization about my own expectations for Kankri and how they wouldn't have made sense in the plot. I realized I'd expected him to be a Nice Guy like John or a mini-Signless, but that wouldn't have made sense. If he'd been a Magnetic Hero like John or his post-Scratch self, they probably would have won. It can't just have been the peaceful environment they grew up in that made them lose; after all, the Kids didn't grow up on a violent Death World, and the only real reason they didn't win was Bec's prototyping, which wasn't their fault. Moreover, only Dave and maybe, possibly Jade had been trained to fight at all. Kankri's overbearing self-righteousness was probably a big factor in their failure; he couldn't unite his friends the way Karkat could or the way the Kids already were at the start.
Heh, I didn't notice that Thief thing. Oh God, I wonder what would happen if they met up? The result would probably be explosive. Probably literally. Ooh! Wait a minute! Karkat's going back to his memories of his old neighborhood! Maybe Vriska and Tavros will be there! Ooh, I can't wait for the update now, I hope something like that happens.
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Eh, it's the precise wording for me. I'm just not quite certain how he'd frame an argument against Karkat's violence other than going off on a tangent about the culture of Alternia and where it all went wrong. XP
Oh, my sister's been going through the flash. I followed the walkthrough. She didn't. She's been having conversations I didn't bother with - did you know that once you're Kankri and you go talk to Porrim, you get to see a very interesting conversation in which he displays some real eye-burning rage and protests that she's not his "Human Mother" and she completely acts as though she is? XD Sorta cute, really.
They all seem to have had troubles getting along as a group. There really is no unifying factor from what we've seen so far, and that explains so much.
Oh wow! There's a thought. Yikes...I'm not sure if I want to see that meeting or not now!
As for Vriska and Tavros, goodness knows where they're wandering about. Hussie was in this flash, so it's very possible that the others are in this bubble as well.
This will be good!
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Hm, maybe I did it wrong. I figured since Karkat's been so quiet that a sudden outburst of all-caps and swearing would shock him into silence for that second long enough for Karkat to continue, thus keeping Kankri from getting a word in edgewise for once.
Yes. I told you, I did everything I could possibly find. Oh, tell your sister that if you talk to Hussie in the first area, he tells you to bring him a horse. In the third area, the one where all the ancestors are, you find Spades Slick's horse hitcher in one of the treasure chests. If you take that back to Hussie in the first room, he'll follow you around like a Pikachu for the rest of the game. If you do this you'll end up with both Karkat and Hussie following Meenah and it's just... a ridiculous situation.
Also, someone noticed this: [link] and now I am sad.
I think that meeting is inevitable. They both seem determined to "fuck shit up", to use Vriska's words, and if anyone might go along with Meenah's ghost army plan, it's Vriska.
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Between the two of them...they're both trolls very capable of tangents and just throwing words upon words out without stopping at times. I expect the only reason Kankri could keep going like that for so long is because of Karkat's expression of unmitigated horror freezing him on the spot. XD
Oh, I hadn't known that! Honestly, once I met Hussie briefly I didn't give him a second thought. She's already done with the flash, but that does sound entertaining.
Aaaaw, poor thing! I didn't even really think of how short Karkat was being with his Meenah responses, but if he's already down in the dumps, it does make sense how he ran off suddenly once they were through his memory door. And I never really saw his sprite from the front.
Vriska's more about working on her own, though...that or leading the charge. Could be a conflict of leadership there; they both seem rather strong-willed.
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I've been having mental images of Karkat interrupting Kankri when the latter interacts with the other pre-Scratch trolls or attempts to lead them. "STOP." "What?" "JUST. JUST STOP. THIS IS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY PAINFUL TO WATCH. YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG." "Trigger warning f9r p9ssi6le ign9rance, I w9uld appreciate it if y9u ela69rated a 6it." Or, better yet, if he sees Kankri talking to Latula. "SHE'S A PERSON WITH FEELINGS WHO ISN'T DEFINED BY HER DISABILITIES, YOU RAVING DOUCHE."
I was on skype with my friend, and she was going through the game after I'd already done it. That was fun, because I got to watch her squee over all the things I had squeed over, like having Karkat as a "shouty duckling", or Karkat's password to the locked door.
I really think he needs to sit down and have a talk with Terezi. I mean, the guy knows all the romance tropes, he's watched the movies, shouldn't he know that the fastest way to untangle complicated problems is though the magic of Communication? Sigh.
I can imagine them meeting, and Meenah groaning when she realizes Vriska is yet another Hero of Light. "Of course I know aaaaaaaall a8out what's going on!" "reely now aww great here we go" "8ut I'm not telling you aaaaaaaanything! >;;;
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How about when Kankri starts preaching to Karkat's friends? (heh. "you're doing it wrong" indeed)
It's always so fun to watch someone else going through a flash or a game or even a written bit like this. Identifying all the giggle and squee points and watching as they trip over them.
Yeah, Karkat probably knows that in his head, but I expect that doesn't actually help much. If you're nervous or reluctant to bring something up, you probably won't, even if you know it'll help, because those nerves will change "know" into "think, maybe" and then the doubt cripples you to the point of inactivity. But yes, he and Terezi need to sit down and work something out properly.
Now that is Vriska indeed. Nevermind my thoughts of stubborn rivalry, you probably have it right; a Hero of Light who withholds information rather than shove it down everyone's throat? Instant LIKE on Meenah's part.
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I want to see Kankri interact with Rose. Two long-winded talkers, only one of them actually talks about important things and knows what they're talking about. My friend pointed out to me, what happens when Terezi meets Kankri? With that sweater? She's never going to leave him alone. (OH MY GOD K4NKR1 TH4T 1S SO D3C4D3NT 4ND 1T MUST B3 SO 4M4Z1NG TO W34R TH4T 4LL D4Y, WH3R3 C4N 1 G3T ON3?) Unless Kankri won't shut up about how admirable it is that she's overcome such an amazing hardship as blindness, because then she might get annoyed after a while.
I was squeeing so much. I had to shoo my dog away because she kept trying to climb into my lap and lick my face as if that would help her figure out why I was making weird noises.
I'm also still wondering where Gamzee is in all of this. Did he somehow get off the meteor to get to Jane's planet, or is he still on the meteor and gets there later through Weird Time Sh*t? I think Karkat would be kicking up a bit more of a fuss if he was already gone.
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I'm not sure Rose would appreciate the experience, mostly because Kankri has nothing important to really say (important from her point of view at least) and because I've got the feeling that he has real trouble listening due to all that blabber.
Terezi would clamp onto that sweater like a limpet! Probably demand to know where he got it so that Karkat could have one too.
Your dog must have been very concerned for your wellbeing. High-pitched squeals usually accompany pain, after all. I can understand her worry when I look at it that way.
Gamzee is a Bard, and therefore still the wildest of wild cards. He could be anywhere, doing anything, at any time. Apparently he somehow reached God Tier without anyone noticing, which somewhat bewilders me, because when John reached God Tier EVERYONE saw the glowing in the sky (or so it was implied) and with a signal flare like that how can you not realize when one of your party has ascended? But I digress.
I'm betting on time shenanigans, personally. If it were possible to reach their destination early, I'd think they would do so rather than simply set course for a three year journey. I can sort of understand Rose purposefully delaying on account of doing so being the most serendipitous course, but Jade wouldn't have had that kind of guidance and she's the Witch of Space.
Which reminds me, we did also get a hint that their Megido (there was even a name, but I've forgotten it 
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Yeah, Kankri clearly doesn't value what others have to say, judging by his dismissal of Porrim's views on the significance of feminism and the fact that, despite claiming to be interested in Karkat's point of view, clearly doesn't mind at all that he's not offering it.
That's true about Gamzee, but to be fair, several of the Alpha trolls managed to ascend, and none of them seem to know who among them did so. I'm also betting on time shenanigans, myself.
I believe her name was Damara. Oh, and speaking of Time players, it seems the fandom was right! Caliborn is a Time Lord!
Also I had an interesting thought; what happens when sprites die? Do they dissolve? Do they leave glowing translucent corpses? Do they separate back into the original items/people that were prototyped? Follow-up interesting thought: what would happen if Davesprite died on his Quest Bed? Dave died on the one located in the Derse crypt, and that was destroyed, but the Quest Bed on LOHAC is still intact. So I have a little prediction; we've seen from Jade's ascension that ascending characters merge with their dream selves, no matter what form that dream self is in (in Jade's case, her sprite). Currently, Dave's dream self is main-timeline Dave. I think it'd be interesting if Davesprite could die on his Quest Bed, and then merge with main Dave. Dave might then gain Davesprite's memories, kind of like how Rose retains her memories from Davesprite's timeline. (a small part of me has hopes for Bird Tier Dave, too, but that's neither here nor there) Might add to Dave's angst, since Davesprite was there when Bro died.
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Probably his greatest weakness as a leader. People who lead need to be able to listen and understand the views of those they are leading, and really it's no wonder he's called The Insufferable (just about died laughing when Porrim mentioned that one).
I know, and I sort of include them in my confusion. Apparently it's easier to miss the signs of an ascension than John's would have us believe. :/
That's right! I recognize it now that you type it. And we do have a Time Lord indeed. I need to show my Dr.Who-fan friend, though I doubt she'll be enthused.
I sort of wondered about Jaspersprite's survival. Jade chased him down and John was hanging onto her and suddenly Jaspersprite was gone, leaving a great pink-goo and cake splatter on the wall and Jade flashed off elsewhere with her Space powers just before hitting and did JS snuff it or can he somehow reconstitute himself, or is the plasma stuff a kind of residue from passing through solid objects or WHAT? :/
As for Davesprite, I wouldn't count on it unless the whole dreamself-timeline-merge is a regular thing, and not something which just occurred to Rose because she deliberately fell asleep at just the right moment to perform the transfer. I don't remember details, but I swear there was some sort of trick they had to pull in the hopes of preserving doomed-Rose's memories.
On the other hand, Bird Tier Dave does sound pretty cool.
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Well, there are two ways to ascend, after all, since there are two quest beds. What if Gamzee's dreamself was on his quest slab in the Prospit crypt when Jack destroyed the planets and he ascended the same way as Aradia? I mean, who knows why he'd be there, but it's possible.
And we also know what happened to Calliope; apparently her spirit's floating around in the Furthest Ring. Or, floating around in the Void, perhaps? (*wink wonk*) Roxy's work is cut out for her, it seems. And I can't help but wonder about the effigy Meenah found, and how similar it is to the voodoo doll thing that Spades Slick picked up back in the Midnight Crew Intermission forever ago. I'm pretty sure Slick's wandering around somewhere.
Bird Tier Dave would be awesome, even though the wings would technically be useless since he can already fly. I'm really hoping this will happen because, as my friend says when it comes to shipping, I have 99 problems and all of them are the fact that there are two Daves.
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But Aradiabot exploded when she ascended, thus unifying her regular spirit with her dreamself. Plus, when one ascends, the God Tier form seems to spring directly from the dreamform (John reached God Tier on Skaia, where his dreamself was, as did Jade), which suggests that if Gamzee ascended via Prospit-destruction, then his regular form should have died/disappeared on the meteor not long after Aradia transported them there, and then his God Tier form would have had to travel back to the meteor posthaste, evading Jack on the way. Nah, something else is up there, I think.
The Roxy connection didn't occur to me, but I can so definitely see it! She's done so much sleepdrifting in the area, I bet nobody really cares about her passing through. The horrorterrors have probably become jaded to her presence. XD
It also looks very, very familiar when you recall the form Jake's entrance item took. He had a Caliborn pinata hanging from his tree like a little voodoo doll.
Goodness only knows how Slick is connected to all this, only that he is. After all, Sn0wman was pretty obviously another form of the Black Queen. Either they're an unlikely bunch of exiles from a previous (or future?) session, or perhaps they're the 'original' bunch which the Derse crew is based on, or Hussie's got some other form of genius lined up for us. In any event, I expect to see more of them eventually.
Technically, the trolls' wings would be useless as well, since I assume that God Tiers all automatically fly (dreamselves certainly do, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's something of an ability-meld or connection). All the wings really do is look cool, and honestly, if God Tiers are supposed to reflect a "species ideal" and that's how Trolls got their fairy wings, humans should evolve great feathery bird/angel wings. I certainly consider that a "species ideal."
Ah well. Just watch. It'll be the Cherubs who get feather wings upon ascending.
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Gamzee did vanish for a while, didn't he? Except I can't remember when that happened in relation to Jack's rampage. Forget it, I'm clutching at straws here.
Slick, the Midnight Crew, and Sn0wman were the exiled Derse crew from the Alternia trolls' session, remember? Diamonds Droog was directing Aradia, Sn0wman was directing Vriska I believe, and I think Slick was directing Karkat, which was interesting because that meant he helped Karkat as both Jack Noir and Spades Slick. So now there are Three Jack Noirs running around: Spades Slick, Bec Noir, and the Jack Noir from the Alpha Kids' session.
Yeah, I think Cherubs with feather wings is a popular theory, since cherubs are a type of angel.
As for Roxy, I have a couple thoughts on her. Rogue is like a Thief, only they steal for others' benefit, right? So that means she steals Void for the benefit of others. I'm pretty sure Void is nothingness or the obfuscation of knowledge, so maybe her role is to take away the obstruction, revealing the knowledge hidden behind it. Maybe she'll use this to find Calliope in the Furthest Ring.
Wait... wait, Calliope said something about how players with opposite aspects like Life and Doom may seem like they'd be different, but if their Classes are also opposites, like a passive and an active, they may end up with similar abilities. If Void is the obfuscation of knowledge, than its opposite is Light, which is knowledge. Roxy is a Rogue; what's the active counterpart of a Rogue? A Thief. Roxy is the Rogue of Void. Vriska is the Thief of Light. How did I not notice this before?
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He vanished just before he went on his rampage, I think, and Jack destroyed Prospit almost immediately upon reaching their session, given that Karkat was knocked out and woke up and got blasted in quick succession. So I don't think the timeline quite matches up, though it sort of would if Gamzee were a Derse dreamer instead.
Oh, right, they were from that group. But why did they change their names, and what's up with the whole Midnight Crew thing?
It does make sense. Now the only question is this: what color are the wings? Blood colors? Black and white? One color only? Personally I'm sort of fond of thinking of Caliborn with black wings and Calliope with white, though that's probably FAR too convenient and cliche to go with in the end. XP
Roxy's like a Robin Hood, so yes. We do know that she has the effect of blacking out their entire session from outside eyes, particularly as she sobered, though where she gets the "void" is an interesting question. That might actually work out that way...huh.
She said something about Class and Aspect playing off of each other in how things work out, thus resulting in opposite aspects having similar effects depending on the class associated. I don't think there was anything specific about the classes having to be opposites to cause a match, though, so Vriska being the Thief of Life doesn't have to mean that her powers equal Roxy's. It's still an interesting comparison, but I don't know that it works in all cases, or even in this one.
Vriska steals Light/luck for her own benefit, whereas Roxy steals Void for the benefit of others. I sort of think a closer idea of opposites might be one who steals life and one who causes/weilds doom, in that both might bring about death in others, and the Thief and (Knight?) classes wouldn't necessarily be opposites even though the aspects are and even though the end result winds up the same.
Sort of makes me want to line up the aspects in opposite pairs, though...at least as much as possible. Life/Doom. Light/Void? Space/Time?? Hope/Rage? Ummm...I wonder if Mind/Blood or Mind/Heart are opposites? Then what opposes Breath? Maybe it's Mind/Heart and Breath/Blood, but that sort of seems like grasping at straws.
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Can't remember where the Midnight Crew thing came from, but they were always opposing the Felt mob, which Lord English led, so maybe that had something to do with it. And I think the name changing thing is just something that carapacians do when they become exiles. Remember, the Parcel Mistress became the Peregrine Mendicant, the Warweary Villein became the Wayward Vagabond, the Authority Regulator became the Aimless Renegade, the White Queen became the Windswept Questant, and so on.
Probably blood color, because cherubs clearly have different blood colors and troll wings are blood colors, too.
Vriska was the Thief of Light, actually. Meenah was the Thief of Life. Anyway, I was referring to that thing she told Roxy:
UU: for instance, a hero of life and a hero of doom have aspects as different as can be.
UU: bUt if their classes are different enoUgh as well, that is, one active and the other passive, remarkably there is a chance they coUld end Up with very similar abilities!
I'm just saying that it's possible that Roxy's abilities could end up being similar to Vriska's. At the very least, since Rogue is the opposite of Thief (in terms of being active/passive at least) and Void is the opposite of Light, that has to be significant somehow. If there's one thing I've learned from reading Homestuck, it's that Hussie doesn't really do anything by accident or coincidence.
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Yes, but those name changes followed a rule of initials. PM/PM, WQ/WQ, etc. Black Queen is BQ, yet Sn0wman doesn't follow that rule. Nor does Spades Slick/Jack Noir, though Draconian Dignitary and Diamonds Droog do work along the proper pattern. I have to wonder what caused the others to break from this.
Yet Cherub 'enhancements' may well work differently.
Oh, I know Vriska was Light and Meenah was Life. I just used Life/Doom and Thief/Knight? for the contrast example.
So far, though, their visible powers have been quite different indeed. There's no indication that Roxy is robbing her foes of luck or increasing her own, and Vriska never caused a session-wide blackout. Maybe Thief and Rogue are actually too similar, despite the active/passive thing, to have the same effects with different aspects. I sort of interpret the whole "opposite class - same results" as being "one causes X" and "one prevents X" (in one particular sense at least) in which each X is an opposing aspect, therefore causing Life and preventing Doom (or vice-versa) could hash out to about the same thing. If that makes sense. What I mean is, perhaps this doesn't work within active/passive pairs of classes, like Thief/Rogue, but just within any two classes which handle their aspects in opposite ways.
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Yeah, so far Jack Noir and the Black Queen have been the sole exceptions, because even in the kids' session Jack Noir started calling himself the Sovereign Slayer (SS just like Spades Slick). But the other Derse guys still follow it. (Draconian Dignitary to Diamonds Droog, Hegemonic Brute to Hearts Boxcars, and Courtyard Droll to Clubs Deuce.)
That's also possible. I will freely admit that I have no idea what's going on in Homestuck. I just think it's an interesting set of parallels that will probably be significant, maybe possibly.
Did you notice how awesome Dave was being in this update? Like seriously, as hard as it is to write Kankri or Karkat or Rose or any of those other eloquent characters, I have real trouble replicating Dave's delicious snark and elaborate extended metaphors when I write him. I am never satisfied when I write him. Ever.
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JN and BQ seem to be weirdos that way.
Homestuck's future plot is, to quote something I can't quite recall, an enigma wrapped in a mystery. Sometimes I wonder if even Hussie knows where he's going with it. If he doesn't, he certainly isn't bothered by the fact.
I can't imagine even trying to write Dave. He goes off on these twisting little tangents which, while connected to the original topic, grow so far off the wall that they become outright bizarre. Like that whole cigar/waitingroom/ectobaby thing when he and Rose were discussing Roxy as their teen mom.
Of course, Rose had to ruin it for him by whipping out Freud. I like to think his expression at that moment was something approaching priceless, coolkid or no.
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Yep. Wonder if that's significant in any way.
The tangents. Oh dear goodness, the tangents. They're so elaborate and weird and bizarre and gah, I wish I could write those but I can't.
I have this headcanon where Rose has taken Bro's place as the only person in existence who can break Dave's coolkid facade (though I guess I can't say only anymore, since we have Dirk now). Fitting how it's always the sibling. As a younger sister myself, this appeals to me greatly.
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With Homestuck, you never know what is significant and what isn't and what will be. It's crazy like that.
My headcanon states that Dave's coolkid facade isn't as impregnable as he would have us believe. 
Oh, something about Karkat and Kankri occurred to me recently - another similarity of sorts. They're remarkably good at finding faults with things. Difference is that Karkat focuses on himself, magnifying his own failures, whereas Kankri focuses on his culture and society, magnifying the failures of a near-utopia. Inward and outward.
Signless was also outwardly focused from the little history we have of him, though with much better reason. Alternian society really was flawed in terms of prejudice and hemophobia, whereas Kankri's rants about Beforus seem almost pithy in comparison, all about how higher bloods need to hold back on blithe comments about their longer lifespans just in case someone is insulted, etc.
Makes me wonder if Ancestor!Karkat was also inwardly focused in some way. I want to know, now. :I
You know, it's sort of annoying now that I can't abbreviate Karkat as "KK" when I'm talking about him and his ancestor because Kankri has the same abbreviation.
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Am I a terrible person for looking forward to when things go horribly, horribly wrong for the Alpha kids? I mean, they're riding pretty high right now, even though they've all lost their "extra life", they're in the medium, and most importantly they're all together, which is something that the beta kids never accomplished. And it's all pretty much thanks to Dirk's string-pulling, rapping, and badass air-skateboarding. And I can't wait for everything to fall apart for them.
Huh, I never thought of that little comparison. And so far I've been kind of surprised by how few people bring up the Pre-Scratch incarnations of the Post-Scratch trolls. I had a theory a while ago after first seeing the Cancer pendant Aranea wears, that Karkat was the Pre-Scratch Signless, and part of the reason why Pre-Scratch Alternia was peaceful, besides the absence of Doc Scratch, was that his revolution was actually successful. It's been debunked, but I always found the idea interesting, that in either universe Karkat would succeed where the Signless had failed.
Huh, guess you can't use KN, either, since that's Kanaya's.
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Only somewhat terrible, because as nice and fuzzy as it is to see your characters doing well, it makes for a rather boring story.
We know nothing about the Pre-S Ancestors, not even a teaser or a mention really. Out of sight out of mind, I guess. And it's a pretty nice little theory, I like it in an AU sense, even though it doesn't quite work canonically.
KR, maybe? That's not claimed by any other trolls at least.
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Everyone believes that their planets will be the Land of ____ and (Noble Gas). I think somewhere it mentioned that the Alpha kids were called "the Nobles" or something, which makes sense since they're Prince, Page, Rogue, and... Maid? I don't know. So we already have H for Helium in LOCAH. The others are LOPAN, LOMAX, AND LOTAK, so they'd probably be Neon, Xenon, and Krypton. Someone even offered the idea that the first letter is some type of crypt, since judging by Jane's land it looks like the consorts are already long dead. So, Mausoleums and Xenon, Tombs and Krypton, and Polyandria (term for a mass grave, apparently) and Neon. Or Pyramids and Neon.
I've had this weird idea for a while about the Striders, though. So, Dirk hero-worships his bro and wants to meet him. He's under the impression that this will never happen, but he probably still at least has expectations for how it would go down if he did. Dave on the other hand is clearly trying not to think about it, so if he were forced to interact with Dirk, he's probably just blunder along with whatever comes naturally like he did when he was first figuring out the dream bubbles. Also, as knowledgeable as Dirk is about the game, Dave's probably more so after playing it for weeks and spending three years on a meteor with Rose, who literally wrote the book on Sburb.
So what I kind of want to see is Dave accidentally falling ass over head into a Big Brother Mentor role with Dirk, and being kind of freaked out by it. Dirk's cool with it and maybe even fanboying a little on the inside, while Dave is the dog with the chemistry equipment. "I have no idea what I'm doing." I don't know if this would happen, I just think it'd be kind of cute and a cool role-reversal if it did.
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Oh. Oh, wow! Now there's something I never even thought about. Nobles? Hadn't heard that one before, actually, but it's neat with the whole gas connection.
Dog with the chemistry equipment? There's an image for me! XD Poor Dave. That would be brilliant. I wonder if Rose would fall into something of a mother-guide role with Roxy? She'd be far more self-aware of the matter if it started happening, I think, so goodness knows if she might manage to stop herself...eh, she's already a guide of sorts as the Seer of Light. What's one more person under the umbrella?
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Yeah, I can't remember where the noble thing
This one: [link] That is Dave being a big brother mentor. And Rose as a guide makes a lot of sense, too. I'm looking forward to a lot of pairs of characters meeting; Dirk and Dave, Rose and Roxy, Jade and Jake especially since they've already been in contact with each other. I kind of want to see John and Dirk meet, too. And Jane and Nannasprite, that'd be weird.
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Oh gods that dog.
So many great meetings to be had, though I think Jane and Nannasprite could be a little bizarre for the poor girl.
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True, thought it would probably be just as bizarre for the others. And I don't know why, but I really, really like the idea of Dirk and John meeting. I even drew it. I really should color and post that...
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Since the Seer class is female exclusive im sad that he isnt the seer of blood, since that was my first prediction for him. But I also see him as the Mage, since the Mage MIGHT be male counter part of the seer class. Think about, its speculated that the Mage is "given protection from the ill effects of one's aspects". even though in post scratch his "aspect", his blood, lead him to his death I still think the class makes since.
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I didn't think that the Seer class was canonically female exclusive...at least, not yet. Sure, both we've seen have been girls, but that might not always be the case. It may even be one of those classes which can be either but is typically female rather than male - point is, we don't know for certain yet.
All we actually know about Mage is that Sollux was one (of doom) and he heard doomish whispers. I've never actually seen any speculation on the matter, though, and Hussie does like to surprise us with this stuff. Who would have thought that Prince of Hope meant that Eridan was one who destroyed (or destroyed through) hope itself? I'm pretty sure speculation about the Princely class - even after that whole incident - was that it was "one who ruled over" or "one who controlled" their aspect.
Still, Mage of Blood or even Heir of Blood, I can take either of those. Gog forbid Hussie make him Page or Bard of Blood. I might scream if he does. XP
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Oh gog Lol. Hussie will troll us so we gotta be on guard. If anyone's the page of the pre-scratch trolls I see it to be pre-scratch Executioner. For certain reasons of course.
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This just looks so awesome....I can't find the words to accurately portray to you how much I love this piece of art. Well done.
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Thank you so much! Your words mean a lot to me.
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