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OurHandOfSorrow β Consent is Key
Published: 2012-07-10 23:19:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 6160; Favourites: 234; Downloads: 12
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"Consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy!"When two (or more
) adults consent to sex, that is the ONLY thing they are consenting to: Sex. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a MASSIVE difference between the two, and although they may be linked does not mean that they are to be consented to by the mere act of sex.If consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, you might as well throw out all treatment for STIs and STDs. Because: "Oh! Well they shouldn't of had sex in the first place if they didn't want to get and STD! Serves them right!"
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy ESPECIALLY if the two were using protection. We are no longer living in the 1950s, where if a woman got pregnant she had to get married and produce as many babies as possible. We have safe and accessible options, like abortion and adoption. We have birth control, that has a near 100% non-failure rate if used correctly.
If consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, can't a woman or a man say no during intercourse? Of course not! Consent to sex can be withdrawn.
And even if it were consent to pregnancy, there's still horrific things like rape. Where the woman didn't consent to sex at all, no matter what she was wearing/drinking/doing
If sex was only for procreation, what about all of the infertile couples? Elderly people? Homosexual people? Can't they enjoy the pleasure of sex?
The purpose of sex, even in a 'sacrament of marriage' context, is not ONLY to reproduce. It's about intimacy and closeness and expressing love. So you can do all that, and consent to all that, without it involving procreation.
Here's a fact for you all: if it were only for procreation, the female orgasm would be completely unnecessary.
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Wtf it doesn't matter if the kid is bad or not. BUT THE WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET RID OF IT
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what about the rights of the kid? can't the mother be inconvenienced for a while? why does someone have to DIE because someone is uncomfortable?
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Someone being uncomfortable? NOOO! Rape is not someone feeling uncomfortable. So because a child was created, the woman can't get rid of the kid even though she was rapped because of the kid.
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im not talking about rape, im talking about during the pregnancy. And YES, the women can't get rid of the kid, she can when he is born, but your problem cant be solved by killing them. plus, how was she raped because of the kid? How?
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I'm pretty sure you Β wouldn't want a kid you didn't want top creature/ was forced to create.
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so? if she dont want it, then WHEN IT IS BORN, she can pit him/her in adoptionΒ
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Why can't she just get rid of the kid.Β
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...because thats murder. duh
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You're disgusting.
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this is the most repetitive and idiotic argument i have ever been in...and i dont use that word lightly.Β
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Because your the one who's saying that a fucking festus is more important that a girl that was raped
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no, your the one who is saying that a girl who was raped is more important than KILLING a child. The girl AND the child are EQUAL.Β
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I hate to say it, but many children die each day due to starvation, war, and other factors. Those children need more help than a fetus that can be removed (usually in the early stages of development when it is tiny and most likely the mother can't even detect its movements). One fetus lost is not the end of the world.Β
A woman can choose to abort now and later have a child if she wants. Or maybe her life just can't be changed. There is things she could do, but nothing is ever full proof. Condoms can break and pills can be ineffective.Β
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but its not one lost, its many. also, if condoms/pills fail (which is hardly ever) thats a whole other problem. im against abortion when the mom is just being lazy or thinks condoms are uncomfortable
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IT'S NOT A CHILD IT'S A FESTUSΒ
THEY'RE DIFFRENT
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yesΒ
A child HAS been born
A festus hasn't
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You're a little retard. Whether a baby's left the womb or not, it's still a baby!
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Contraceptives can fail and what about rape?
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Eh. Those are least common reasons to get an abortion. The common is out of unprotected sex and convenience.
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adoption, and so what if its rape? the baby is innocent Β
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The "baby" is innocent? SO IS THE WOMAN. Last time I checked, it's not the woman's fault if a man forcefully has sex with her against her will.
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dont matter, she can deal with a few months of discomfort when i baby has to deal with NO LIFE foreverΒ
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Pregnancy isn't just "a few months of discomfort" there are so many things that can go wrong during pregnancy and the birth itself that can harm or even kill the mother or child. And even if everything goes relatively smoothly it's not just like before, just by carrying the child your body is changed forever.
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then close your legs and that would solve everything huh? losing your virginity changes your body foreverΒ
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Closing your legs when your being raped? So magically when a man is forcefully having sex with a woman they can just close their legs? No.
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im obviously talking about sex not rape. and even when the mother gets raped, its not like the child is to blame
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The original comment said about rape. And besides. The child is not alive or with soul until later stages. Early abortion doesn't hurt or kill itΒ
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What about later abortion?Β
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If the woman will die for sure or if there's even a risk, I believe its up to the woman. Even if it does "kill" the child, look at it this way. An innocent child can go and be reborn to a family who will be there for them instead of them loosing a mother and, sure, maybe a replacement mother or going through adoption hell. I'd rather the child be reborn with a ready family then the mother dead and the child alone.Β
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if the mother is at risk then of course the child has to to aborted but thats not the case i'm talking about. And sorry, but i do NOT believe that the child will be "reborn". i'm not religious at all, i just care for human (and animal) life. In fact i'm even veterinarian, i just can't stand the thought of harming and killing anything. Which makes me even more disgusted that anyone would murder a human baby.
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You also have to take into consideration the mother isn't always in the right frame of mind. But also saying that they might also be in a huge panic and all other things. Really don't say "it disgusts me" if you've never gone through it before because you never know if the mother herself has no idea what to do other then that. Sure, she could have the kid and put it up for adoption BUT-Β there are so many kids there anyways so would you rather the child be painless without the worry of life or suffering and waiting for someone to finally find them, it could be years before people adopt them or even they end up being adopted and taken back or some shit like that.Β
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I'd rather see a million kids growing up without parents than one abortion.
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but why does that mom decide that? what if the child would rather live than ya know die?! i would rather be in foster care than dead. if the mom is just panicked that means abortion should DEFINITELY be illegal so that no one makes any mistakes!Β
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Because she carries the child. It is not your choice. Perhaps its the fathers. Besides, the child can't really make its own choices. Life isn't fair. It never will be. Leave it at that.Β
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If somebody's pregnant from consensual sex and not in danger, abortion should be a crime.
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But if the mother doesn't want it, then that is her choice. And truly the man (if he is there) has no real right to decide either. I saw a case like this on some crime show...and that disgust me. A poor woman was being forced to carry a baby she did not want, it was driving her to drinking and self harm...no, I won't wish that on somebody who doesn't want it.
One dead fetus is not the end of the world, you can always try again later when things are more favorable. I know a friend who got an abortion because her ex. boyfriend was an asshole, she found somebody better and is happy without some brat to tie her to the painful memories.
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Barring rape or health risks, the mother should have no choice but to give birth whether they want to or not. It's not about losing the chance to have children, in fact I'd rather people that abort never got to have kids, because the fact that they killed their unborn baby proves they're unfit parents.
All I can say about your friend is she's a bitch and doesn't deserve anyone.
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life is not fair, but it could be in this case.
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As long as the father has a choice as well. What you call your choice is your child, both your child.
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Going by this logic, ovulation is biological consent to pregnancy and it's fine for a man to rape her and get her pregnant simply because she's ovulating.
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Yo,Β I wrote this bullshit almost a year ago, and have educated myself since. Consent isn't a transferrable concept. You can consent to sex without consequently consenting to pregnancy. Acknowledging the risks of getting cancer when smoking doesn't mean you want lung cancer, just that you understand and acknowledge the risks. It's a tenuous analogy, but applicable here as well. Understanding the potential risks of pregnancy doesn't mean you consent to it, especially if you take precautions such as chemical or physical contraception to prevent against it. TL;DR: I completely agree with what you mean here.
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yeah but in some cases people are kinda asking for it for the stupidity
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xD what can i say, im a comedian
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"or my boyfriend came inside me and i'm not on birthcontrol that means i shouldn't take a morning after pill or spermiside!" that's stupidity right there
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Down right retarded.
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