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Nah, all religion is insane because religious people want to force their beliefs upon other people.
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Far from. We Jews make it hard to convert. Christians are loud-mouthed and annoying. Muslims are violent savages that the world would be better off without. Shintos and Sikhs are generally genial people.
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You do realize that this comment is implying none should be religious, as religion is insane and oppressive. Hence you are imposing your anti-religious belief just like religious people try to 'force their belief upon others', right?
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I think thats just a societal attitude in general. Religion in latin means "to bind" and has nothing to do with God. But I've experienced really pushy fucking people in every aspect of anything you can think of, both to include and not include Christianity and so on. I've also met people involved in all of those things who are completely not pushy at all.
But I think society as a whole regardless of which aspect one wants to refer to, has become so apathetic and narcissistic that people being pushy about anything and everything has just become the norm, and I don't think that "religious people" can exclusively be singled out anymore. If Christianity, Islam and all of the other religions never existed -- humans would still be pushy assholes pushing their bullshit on each other, because as a race we are extremely insecure.
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I don't do that, and I know others that don't either.
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Actually there are some interesting sentences in the Quran that are against forced conversion. They are not really known and they are obviously not parts that extremists will share to people they want to manipulate, but they exist nonetheless.
However, religious people are another problem, I give you that.
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Yeah, there are similar passages in the Bible as well. People seem to always ignore the good stuff in so-called holy books and always focus on the nasty stuff. Theres BOTH in there, of course. But people seem to only focus on the negative and they act like the positive wasn't ever written in there. In my experiences I've found that if I want to really piss off most Fundamentalist Christians, all I have to do is start quoting the positive good things in the bible and they want nothing more to do with me. lol
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There are some primary differences to be aware of. For one, when a "Christian" does something evil in the name of God, real Christians are quick to publicly denounce that person and their actions, we typically don't see the same thing from Muslims. The Christian holy text (the Bible) and Islamic holy text (the Quran) are also very different in what they encourage their followers to do. Also bear in mind that:
The Shoe Bomber was an Islamic extremists terrorists
The Beltway Snipers were Islamic extremists
The Fort Hood Shooter was an Islamic extremist
The underwear Bomber was an Islamic extremist
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Madrid Train Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Islamic extremists
The London Subway Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Islamic extremists
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Islamic extremists
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Islamic extremists
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Islamic extremists
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Islamic extremists
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Islamic extremists
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Islamic extremists
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Islamic extremists
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Islamic extremists
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Islamic extremists
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Islamic extremists
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Islamic extremists
The Kenyan Mall Massacre was done by Islamic extremists
Boko Haran are Islamic extremists
The kidnapping of an entire girls school and selling them into slavery in Nigeria was the work of Islamic extremists
The burning of a village full of 2000 people in Nigeria most of them alive was the work of Islamic extremists
The no-go zones being established in the west are allowed to be established by Islamic extremists
The Charlie Hebdo Magazine Massacre was carried out by Islamic extremists
The Pakistani school massacre of over 100 children was carried out by Islamic extremists
The men who shot little girls on a school bus in Afghanistan because they wanted an education were Islamic extremists.
The people demanding a separate government in the Phillipines are Islamic extremists
Since the year 2000 over 40 bombings have been carried out in the Phillipines by Islamic extremists
The Oklahoma City workplace beheading was done by an Islamic Extremist
The Fort Hood shooting was carried out by Islamic extremists
The NYC cop Ax attacker was an Islamic extremist
The Canadian Parliament attack was carried out by an Islamic extremist.
The France was attacked by Islamic extremist .
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Extremists exist in almost all, if not all, religions.
Lets not forget Christians have done their own share of brutalities and violence too:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christia…
Not every Christian is KKK as not every Muslim is a supporter of ISIS and a terrorist.
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Of course not, butttt....you dont hear often these days hear of people killing in the name of Jesus :l
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Everyone who takes the Quran for the Word of God is a potential Terrorist.
Islam is a danger for human civilization, not just another culture.
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Theres a video on that which I think you might like. Its a short video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2OBy…
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Iam not a christian and the Bible, especially the old Testament is full of violence, BUT christianity went through the reformation, and enlightenment, only the creationist think everything mentioned in the bible really happend. If the pope would demand a new crusade, the cathoilcs would call him insane.
When this horrible act of terror happend in paris, did your really think it was commited by anyone else but muslims? If someone blows himself up in a crowded place do you really ask yourself "Who might have done that, was it a far right/left terrorist, a hindu, a Jew or a christian?"
Call me again when islam had its enlightenment.
I also want to mention that the young turks are a bunch of progressive morons, the left version of Fox-News.
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If Hitler said officially that the sky is blue, I have full faith that everyone would claim its purple just to spite him, and that anyone calling it blue would be deemed as anti-semetic. Maybe the Young Turks are a bunch of progressive morons, but if a moron calls the sky blue, its still blue. It doesn't make the sky not blue, and it doesn't make a moron not a moron.
Beyond that, my deviation is about the fact that "because Muslim terrorists exist, this must mean all Muslims are terrorists". Its a logical fallacy and I'm proud to be called nuts for pointing it out. Its a logical fallacy that is historic.
Hitler was right that SOME Jews were doing some nasty stuff. That part was true. But for him to say that ALL JEWS should be wiped out? Thats a logical fallacy. The same applies for any group anyone might want to demonize. Christians. Jews. Muslims. Whites. Blacks. Etc.
So if you want to think that all Muslims are evil and need to be wiped out, then I respect your right to think that. But I feel that anyone who agrees with genocide is equivalent to Hitler and should be brought up on charges of treason. Thats just the truth of how I feel about it.
People enjoy hating other people. They've been raised that way. Its unfortunate. I wish things were different, but they aren't.
No aspect of humanity has had its enlightenment. To think so, is a delusion.
I was also raised Christian and most Christians I've ever known have been some of the most hateful and unenlightened people I've ever met. And when it comes to having the MILITARY to go on a Crusade to destroy people -- the Christians do call for it. It may not be the Pope calling for it, but George W Bush and people like him are acceptable substitutes.
But please do try to understand my position. Your words are text on a screen made by someone I don't know. You saying Christians are enlightened goes against all of my real life physical reality in person human experience that didn't happen through a computer screen but was actually REAL. If you're suggesting I should ignore my LIFE and take text on a screen as truth? Hahahaha. Well, I hope you're not suggesting that. Because its not gonna happen prior to hell freezing over.
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-With enlightenment i meant this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_E… through which christianity was more or less dragged while kicking and screaming, and thanks to that we dont have Witch burnings anymore and we dont praise Idiots who kill for christ, we just throw them in jail... compare that to Islam.
-I didnt ask for genocide, I pointed out potential dangers. My solution would be: Dont let Nutjobs into your world and dont give them the means to destroy you.
And dont put the criticism of religion/Ideology on the same level as racism.
-The young turks state the obvious but us it for their ends. Yes the bible is violent, but there are buddhist scriptures which are violent too, so does quoting the last one make the bible or the quran less violent?
These two books (bible quran) are very different, the bible was written over many hundred years by different people and has tons of contradictions which allow for a very wide range of interpretations (except maybe for the belief in christ). The quran was written, or better, dictated by one man, over a periode of 23 years. The quran has a simple way to deal with contradictions: "the newest verse is the right one", but dont get fooled, the quran is not ordered chronologically but by the lenght of the sura. The possible interpretations are very narrow, there is not much left to be speculated about, and if you still have questions you turn to the Hadiths. Damn, there is even a description of the islamic way to shit in the desert.
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Can you prove to me that most Muslims have not come to the same conclusions about their book as most Christians have about the Bible? Every Muslim *I* have ever talked to (which is A LOT) has come to those same conclusions about their book as Christians have about the Bible. They've told me that every Muslim THEY know also has, etc, etc. I've talked at length with both American Muslims, as well as ones from various countries in the middle east. The old violent ways sicken them and they hate it that the minority of extremists still control governments and have power in the middle east. They hate it that this leads people to think that these psycho nut jobs actually speak for them.
I can't claim to have talked to every Muslim on the planet, but I have talked to a lot and all of them have been reasonable and none of them believe in the old barbaric ways. So because the media likes to hype everything and put fear into people, and only likes to talk about extremist nut jobs and REFUSES to interview a regular, average, normal Muslim -- do you really view the media and being so incorruptible and trustworthy that they are painting an accurate picture of all Muslims?
I've never had a Muslim do me wrong personally, ever. As for the amount of Christians who have done me wrong -- I've lost count.
So with all due respect and no offence intended -- I'll take my own personal experiences in priority over any person typing text to me telling me that my view is wrong. They aren't me, and they sure as hell aren't any of the Muslims I've ever known or spoken with. So theres really nothing you can say to me to get me to agree with your point of view. I've had my own life experiences. I've done a lot of extended research into a lot of things. And no one can wipe away my memory of that or trick me into thinking it never happened.
So if you're looking to get me to think that all Muslims are horrible dangerous people -- you're speaking to a very deaf brick wall right now about it. I'll be fair and admit that. And this brick wall is such a deaf brick wall, because nothing you can say can make my own life experiences or research vanish. No text on a screen from anyone is going to take higher precedence than my own experiences. And nor should my text take any precedents over yours, either. From your perspective, I'm just some guy you don't know, typing text on your screen. There is no logical reason what so ever that I can think of as to why you should take anything I say the least bit seriously.
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I mett such people too, they themself dont even think they are muslims anymore, and I dont have problems with those people, I just have problems with those who believe in that stuff which I mett too and which are mindless fanatics (and dont forgte the problem of taquia).
So I have no problems with your Ideas, I just dont share them.
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Well, thats fine. At least you're civil in your disagreement, so thats appreciated.
I've just done a lot of research into a lot of things, and have had the life experiences that I've had. I simply just can't deny what I know has been proven to be true. Can't pretend I don't know it.
All else I can say, is that in our current society and the way its setup -- we're all trained to be psychopaths on some level. We're all trained to NOT want to know the truth, and to defend whatever paradigms we've been indoctrinated with. That is, until or unless we decide to open our minds and expand our box of perceptions. Some people choose to do this, others are hopeless and never will because its too psychologically and emotionally inconvenient.
All I can tell you beyond that, is that nature has one rule: adapt or die.
Anything which is destructive, is. Thats just physics. Doesn't matter how much human ego might make excuses for it or try to justify it. It is what it is. And nasty people and good people equally are capable of doing very destructive things. I simply choose to do my best to learn from the mistakes of history and not repeat them myself. Hence my addiction to the study of such things. I can't control who other people decide to be, but I can control who I decide to be. So if the whole world burns around me, at least hopefully myself and others of similar mind will be able to survive it and build a better one.
No guarantees, of course. But hopefully.
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Actually, I've looked at both holy books and both encourage the same types of barbarism. Most Muslims condemn the acts of the extremist minority, but it doesn't make the news media any money to have them speak up about things. It makes the news media money to have people in fear so they can get better ratings.
Plus, I've personally talked to quite a few Muslims who are disgusted by what the fanatics do. I also live in Chicago where there are a lot of Muslims (and Christians and well, a lot of everything because, its Chicago lol). So, you may feel free to beleive what you want of course. But text on a screen from someone I don't know is not going to erase my own personal experiences.
Also, lets not forget all of the blacks and gays that have been killed by the Christian KKK that never made it into the corporate controlled mass media headlines.
He who has the gold, makes the rules. He who makes the rules, controls the media. Its not a hard thing to understand. But like I said, feel free to think as you like. Nothing you say will convince me to your point of view, just as nothing I say will convince you to mine. But of the two of us, am I the only one who has the good sense to know this? Or do you have it too?
If we both have it, then we both know not to waste each others time. Because we'll both know that it'll get both of us nowhere. We could counter each others points until we both die of old age. Not really a productive use of time.
You are destined to continue to indefinitely disagree with me, and I am destined to continue to indefinitely disagree with you. No matter what either of us says. We'd both be smart to realize this from the get go, and to act accordingly.
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Agreed. Both groups committing violence have underlining issues, they use religion as fuel justification and to believe they are a part of something bigger. If someones faith remains cemented after truly taking a step back and viewing things neutrally, Id honestly like to hear their pov.
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100% agreed. Its nice to see that there are voices of reason making replies to this, instead of just people who want to shake their fists but nothing more.
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you could ditch both ideas and just live a life free of religion while respecting those around you.
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Well, the word "religion" is latin which means "to bind". Most people do not know that the word "religion" has absolutely nothing to do with God. But then again, most people don't really research into the history or deeper meaning of the words they speak. They're either too scared to know, or just too lazy and simply don't give a shit.
So any subject or ideology regardless of what it is, that focuses on strict adherence to only its systems of belief and rejects all other views as blasphemy, unprofessional, rude, inappropriate, etc, etc is a religion or in short, it "binds" the person to a narrow view of reality. This is why atheism, statism / politics and a whole wide variety of subjects, policies, protocols and philosophies have become "religions" in their own right. Einstein even warned us about this but hey, no one ever listens to the warnings of history. We simply ignore it and repeat it. Or as Mark Twain would have put it "history never repeats but it does rhyme".
I think anyone who waves their proverbial dick around saying "i have no beleif systems, i have the facts! and if you don't see that i am right and you are wrong, then *insert words of shaming and condemnation here*" is equally full of shit as anyone else who does that same thing. Whether they call themselves Christians, Muslims, Jews, Doctors, Scientists, Teachers, Professors, Professionals, or what they call themselves -- they're all just creepy control freaks to me who over compensate for their inferiority complex with a superiority complex. Its psychology 101, really.
All I can do is respect peoples rights to act like that if they want to, with the understanding that I have no right to be a control freak to them, either -- and knowing that all I can do is be the person *I* want to be, and that I'm not obligated to be who they claim I must be.
Its all I can do.
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Until a Muslim 'Martin Luther' appears and starts creating real change, my viewpoint isn't going to change.
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I can respect that and your right to that perspective. But to be fair, no one can force change on anyone else. If there were 100 Muslim Martin Luthers and you really didn't want to let go of your existing paradigms, you'd make excuses just as any human being would because, its a human thing that humans do. You'd say they were deceptions in some agenda, or -- whatever. People who don't want to change, simply don't. The facts of any matter are completely irrelevant. People act based on their belief systems and all actions have consequences. So even a bullshit belief system acted upon, has very real consequences even if the belief happens to be BS.
All I can do is respect peoples rights to remain trapped in their paradigms and yes, even if its going to kill them. So if a bunch of hateful people decide to all kill each other because they can't let go of their paradigms, so be it. Thats just the gene pool being cleaned up.
We're at an interesting point of human development right now. Everything is kind of accelerating. Its like the species equivalent of puberty if that makes any sense. Everything keeps advancing faster and faster. So the people who want to war and kill each other, will do so in far less time than it ever took humans filled with hate to kill each other off in the past. So the ones willing to let go of the old paradigms and embrace a world of chilling out and respecting each other, just need to do their best to dodge the chaos until the dust clears.
That doesn't mean sit back and do nothing, of course. That just means to do our best to make sure some moron doesn't kill us either on purpose or by pure gross incompetence. lol
After the chaos reaches its most destructive climax, the only humans left alive will be the ones willing to let go of their old destructive hateful paradigms and to me thats not ideological or even spiritual. Thats just how nature works and its about survival.
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If there was one Muslim 'Martin Luther' I'd support that person. But like you said, 100 Martin Luthers. That is what is needed.
If hateful people kill each other that's then that is their folly. If hateful people kill people who are just trying to live their lives then its a problem that can't be fixed with political correctness.
Which direction are we accelerating to? Star Trek type future(peaceful) or one of the Fallout games(wasteland)?
I agree that indifference is wrong BUT how we (re)act is just as important. Take Syria. It didn't matter who the US president was because I knew that person would make the wrong decisions for the wrong reasons. This may sound harsh and very cold but the only way to handle a civil war like that is a total blockade of the country - no one gets in and no one gets out. Interfering with another country's civil war only prolongs it and adds to the body count. I figured that much out when I read about Britain siding with the South during the US Civil War. If Britain had not interfered the war would have ended a year, perhaps two, earlier than it did.
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I'm just at the point in my own experiences where I know that grouping everyone into one group and labelling them is just as dysfunctional as acting like there is no problem. To me, labeling all Muslims as if they are bad or extremists is literally the same as insisting that all black people are evil. Or that all whites are Nazis. Or that all Jews are in some conspiracy to control all the money in the world. Etc. Etc. I could go on and on.
Yes, there ARE some Muslims who are terrorists. Yes there is no shortage of criminals who are black, no shortage of criminals who are white either, for that matter. No shortage of greedy Jews. Etc. All of the "bad" things you could say are TRUE but ONLY when placed on a MINORITY. Most black people I've ever met have not been rude to me, much less tried to jack me. And I live in Chicago and have met MANY black people. All the Muslims I've ever met online and in person, which has been A LOT -- all agree that these terrorist wacko's are "going to burn in hell" and "shame on them" and such. Most Muslims I have ever met have been NICE to me and RESPECTFUL towards me. Most Jews I have met have been nice towards me and came from average families and were not uber top 1% wealthy elites in control of the media and finance. The list goes on and on.
And I know that anyone who tells me that because I am white that I MUST be a racist nazi and MUST hate Jews and MUST hate black and that there is no other possibility and that if I try to say otherwise that I am just lying or whatever -- all I can do is laugh at those people and make fun of them and call out their stupidity for what it is. And as I'm sure you've noticed -- I really do not give one flying shit as to who thinks I am a nut job, delusional, racist or whatever anyone wants to psychologically project over me. They're welcome to think as they wish about it, respond to me with it and shout it from the mountain tops if they want to. I really personally do not care. I am who I decide to be, not who anyone else claims I must be. But they also have the right to think whatever the fuck they want of me, and I respect that right fully.
I'm also 15% Cherokee so also being white, that must mean I'm trying to steal my own land from myself. hehehe.
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I'm Irish/Scottish/German. . .interesting combo if I ever decide to give into the past.
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On the white side of the spectrum, I'm a mix of things. Scottish. Serbian. Lots of different European backgrounds.
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If I was SJW, I'd be drunk off my butt, Aryan beliefs, and PO'd at Britain and the US.
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Uh huh. Yeah, you just keep engaging in this politically correct delusion.
The reality is that the religion of Islam advocates violent retribution and its values are medieval. Regardless if there are "moderate" Muslims it doesn't change the fact that its scripture advocates extremism.
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The only thing I could say, I've already responded with here: comments.deviantart.com/1/5725…
If my own physical reality real life experiences are a delusion and your text on my screen is reality, then cool. But I'll stick with the delusion of my own life experiences. Thanks anyways
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when did the islam scripture ever advocate violence/extremism? as far as i know, even killing animals is a sin and they even have rules for war, like killing people who are running away or who have surrendered is a huge sin. of course there are sentences that could be pulled out of context, but that's because their scripture was written ages ago and things have changed, like woman's rights and death penalties.
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"when did the islam scripture ever advocate violence/extremism?"
...do you really know nothing about the quran?
I want to make an example of your comment, you say it's against "killing people -who have surrendered-". Do you understand what they mean in this context? They mean that people who have not surrendered, I.E. have not subscribed to the faith of Islam, are all fair game for killing. You just demonstrated my point perfectly.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/qur…
"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called " 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."
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Yeah, people that spout this politically correct garbage are usually too lazy to take the time and educate themselves on the differences in Christianity and Islam. It really makes them look stupid, especially since it's as simple as a google search.
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oh thank u for that beautiful and creative insult <3
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the quran also says not to kill old people, children, women, sick people, monks/priests, not disfigure the dead, not destroy churches or holy ground, be good to the prisoners and feed them. are you really expecting for them to say not to start a war? thats unrealistic and you know exactly why. its obvious they're gonna have a war with someone, at least they bother with rules like that, while the bible says absolutely nothing to that topic.
plus, i don't like repeating myself: their scripture was written ages ago and /things change/, especially with rights, penalties and war.
didn't their prophet state that forcing the islamic religion on others is a sin, too? apparently our sources (even though i can't reach the website you linked) conflict.
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With all due respect I'm seeing quite a lot of cognitive dissonance in your arguments. The fact that the Quran has a list of types of people who should be exempt from the death penalty doesn't mean that it doesn't advocate bloodthirsty and savage retribution. Islam advocates killing over taking prisoners, so that statement about being nice to prisoners is a moot point since they'd always have enemies be killed instead of taken hostage.
Yes, their scripture was written ages ago, and yet its medieval values are STILL upheld by people who follow this religion today, such as the total subjugation and concealment of women, and the ostracization/execution of people who have "impure" proclivities and bloodlines, like gays and jews. So the fact that it was written ages ago only further demonstrates why Islam should be made an enemy of the west, much in the same way Communism was an enemy of the west in the 80's.
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I concur with this comment.
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