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Description
This is a continued walkthrough of groups. This one covers the area where most of the communication occurs between mods: the Back Room.
Special thanks to =Raishuu for providing images from the Rules tab from #GimmeFeedback and #hq 's recent blog [link], all other images are obtained through #devBUG
Points of interest:
To cover in next issue
Group Creation
Widgets
Changes to structure (Groupies, bulletins, conversations)
Q&A with development staff
-- We can not answer many of your questions as we can not comment on the specifics of features that have not reached beta-testing status.
-- The groups system is in the beta-testing phase and many portions are subject to change or complete revision; no decisions are final unless otherwise stated.
-- [Note to readers: most of these statements were made in restricted areas and thus the links do not appear to work for users who do not have access to these areas]
Is there any idea when groups will be released that is more precise than "soon"? Either for Beta or officially?
beta, soon
[link] 10/28/09
What portions of the groups system are most susceptible to change right now? Will watchers of a group remain the only user list that is unlimited in attendance at the Basic group level?
It looks like watchers will be the only unlimited class, this seems fairly certain. Everything is pretty much subject to change though, we're all still working out the details.
[link] 10/28/09 [EDIT 11/24/09: Unlimited Members class added [link]]
Is there any word on the pricing structure? Are Pro groups still intended only for companies and are priced around $1000 per year?
The way the system is used will be taken into consideration and some adjustments will almost certainly be made even after the final release.
[link] 10/28/09
I have not heard much about pro groups in a while. I'm pretty sure that Basic and Super are going out before we revisit Pro groups - the feature set for pro isn't even defined yet...
[link] 10/28/09
On Correspondence Items, such as a join application, it is possible for a user to make one and send one, but once it is sent they cannot see the comments made by the admins on it while it is being approved or after it is rejected/approved. Are there plans to allow the submitter to see the comments?
we are contemplating implementing two threads. private (for group members to gossip) and private+submitter to correspond with applicant
[link] [link] 10/30/09 [As of 11/3/09, this feature has been implemented]
Will it be possible to designate permissions specifically for each user rather than for an entire group like watchers or Contributors? If I want one watcher, =uae4u , to be able to submit work, and another, =parallellogic , to not be able to, can I do that if they are both in the watchers class?
no. privileges are per role (class), not per user. there never will be a system to assign permissions to specific user.
[link] 11/4/09
there is no such thing as watchers class, this is a common misunderstanding. there are group members (broken up into classes such as founder, co-founder, moderator, contributor, custom) and than, there is any other deviant thats not a group member.
there is group member (in various role, however you wanna call them) and the there is everybody else on deviantart. you can choose to allow/accept contributons only from group members, or you can open it up to everyone, its your choice
[link] 11/4/09
Is it true that group conversion will be one way only? Once you convert a club into a group, you will never be able revert the group back into being a club?
yes, migration is irreversable as it removes content from userpage, and populates account with group specific pages and widgets
[link] 11/4/09
Will a group retain the subscription the club had previously? If a Super group subscription costs $120 per year and a club subscription costs $30 a year, then will a club that purchases a year subscription and immediately converts into a group retain the year-long subscription when they are a group?
likely. but club conversion will not run forever. its being made available for clubs formed prior groups release
[link] 11/6/09 [EDIT 12/12/09: Club to Group conversion will be avaialble until March 1st, 2010. New FAQ article: FAQ #414: I have a Premium Member club, how long do I get Super Group access for? ]
What will happen to group News Articles? Given that users cannot
articles will stay where they are, on news page. there is no news widget for groups, and none is planned. news is rather low impact and traffic section of the site. if anything we will enhance blogs to allow to collect them the future
[link] 11/11/09 [EDIT 1/31/10: Refer to the 1/30/10 post below, it appears that news features such as faving and featuring on one's profile page will be granted to blogs in the distant future]
Could you provide further insight into the eventual group creation process? What kind of information will need to be provided for a group to be created or converted from a club? Will a group need to provide updates on its operations in order to retain group status?
you'll see it soon enough. its simple
[link] 11/14/09 [EDIT 12/3/09: Please refer to #makeagroup and #convertaclub ]
Are there plans to implement a search field for a group's gallery?
I don't know if this will be implemented or not - note that group galleries are quite different from regular users' galleries ... the art is not "by" the group and some groups might not even want their galleries to be searchable... I think it'll remain like this for now at least.
[link] 11/15/09
the gallery browse/search is on the roadmap but not gonna be available for initial release.
[link] 11/15/09
Will it be possible to hide 'Spam' comments and to block users through a group?
eventually, yes
[link] 12/1/09 [EDIT 1/31/10: The ability to mark GroupDesk notes & comments as spam and block users has been implemented]
Is the configuration of the 'Groups' widget for a user's profile page final, or can it change? Will there be a way of separating the groups you're a member of from the groups your an admin of within the Groups app?
I don't think it's the final version. The popup is pretty ghetto if you ask me, we can definitely improve that widget post-launch.
[link] 12/4/09
How many admins can be in a super group?
1 founder, 99 total admins, super, pro, basic - same limits
[link] 12/4/09
I'm an admin in #GimmeFeedback , but my duties have nothing to do with the submissions, so sending submission correspondence items to my folder for that group doesn't serve any purpose since I will never vote on those items. I propose a system where users can opt out of certain group related messages, much like the friends system allows us to do.
i agree completely, and that will be a focus (one of) of the serious message center overhaul project soonish
[link] 12/9/09
Is there any way to get confidential information/updates to your group's Members all at once without it being there to see for people who have not joined?
We wanna do it right, and we could not squeeze 'members' backroom into this release. it will be coming in next iteration of group improvements for sure [link] 12/9/09 [EDIT 1/31/10: A Members-Only Area is in development]
The FAQ (401 ) states that everything from clubs gets converted over to the new groups platform, yet I can't find the old club notes and I will need to delete all the old club submissions and re-upload them through the group. Are there any plans to fix this?
[=parallellogic 12/11/09 There are two widgets that currently address these issues. Both can be found by going to the group's Back Room, clicking the "Edit Page" button and selecting the "Misc" widget folder. The first is called "Ye Olde Notes Center" which will permit you to access the club-notes from before the conversion. The second widget is called "Gallery Migration"; when edited, this widget will allow you to supply a url/thumbCode for each of the club deviations that links to the original artist's submission. This app will save time and prevent sending message to the group's watchers that would otherwise be generated by re-uploading all the old club-submissions as group-contributions]
Bug Report: FAQ 401 states that every forum post will be converted from the old club to the new group, yet this [link] is the second instance I've come across of users not retaining the original forums during the conversion
FAQ is wrong. journal forums are not migrated (as are other minor things like shoutbox, webcam, deviousinfo, etc)
[link] 12/14/09 [=parallellogic : Also, as mentioned previously, news will not be preserved either. Scraps are also lost. Custom Boxes are still available (1 for Basic Groups, Unlimited for Super) but the data in any pre-existing Custom Boxes that are not on the group's Profile page is lost in the conversion. Data in Custom boxes from subscribed clubs is saved during the conversion -- the widgets are removed, but when the custom boxes are re-added, the widgets appear populated with the old data]
Bug Report: When I first started sending invites, it would let me have 25 pending invites before I got that "limit" message, but now I can only send 11. Is this an error?
its not a bug, its throttled depending on ratio of accepted invitations
[link] 12/15/09
The algorithm is not set in stone. It's still a beta release. Preventing loads of annoying "spam invites" from the many enthusiastic new group admins without taking away the ability to invite people was an issue that was considered with serious deliberation but the implementation may be adjusted to be less restrictive to responsible groups while still reigning in the potential for bothersome invite spam.
If you were on Facebook a year or two ago you surely remember the wide spread "app invite spam" that grew to ridiculous proportions before adequate controls were put in place to limit the impact on user experience.
[link] 12/16/09
It is currently possible to submit a deviation twice to a group and the group gets notified twice with two identical correspondence items. The second CI serves no purpose since once the first CI is closed, the second cannot be closed. Can duplicate Correspondence Items be removed from the group message center?
this is something that is fairly difficult to implement .. not sure if that will happen. pending submissons are not eazily searchable by their content
[link] 12/19/09
I'm an admin in #GimmeFeedback , but my duties have nothing to do with the submissions, so sending submission correspondence items to my folder for that group doesn't serve any purpose since I will never vote on those items. I propose a system where users can opt out of certain group related messages, much like the friends system allows us to do.
technology wise, its not possible with current message center
[link] 12/22/09
Hi, maybe adding a group quota for members to limit the amount of submitted stuff and prevent flooding the message center of people would be nice.
We've gotten this suggestion a lot, it's definitely a most-wanted feature and we'll likely implement that at some point soon after launch.
[link] 12/22/09
For the Random Group (available in the Diversions section of the dAv6 nav bar) will there be any activity filters? Or is just a random group from the set of all groups? The current random user button only pulls from online users to ensure the users selected isn't 'dead', I'm just curious if there is a similar setting for this feature.
I'll make it pick among groups that have been active in the past 48 hours [=parallellogic groups that have not accepted/denied any correspondence items in the last 2 days are marked as 'inactive']
[link] 12/28/09
Ok, so using the correspondence items generated by the group? So if a every group had the Weekly Stats widget shown and you could see that there have been no correspondence items in the last two days in any category, then the group is considered inactive right?
It's based on the group stats, some of it is used to generate what's in the weekly stats. I can't remember the list of actions that generate entries in these stats, but it's pretty wide. They're mostly content-related though, rather than based on what you see in the action log (i.e. admins rearranging widgets, permissions, etc.). [link] 12/29/09
Could you talk a bit more about the club-deviation conversion to group-submission process? Will favs on the old deviations be added on to the new submissions? Will comments be moved as well?
[=parallellogic 12/28/09 Favs and comments are lost in the conversion from club-submission to group-contribution]
Will forum posts in the private forum (from subscribed clubs) be converted into conversation topics in groups?
[=parallellogic 12/28/09 They will not be converted]
So what's the difference between "Has Full Control" and "Can Add/Edit/Delete Most Content". If Co-founders have the latter setting enabled, what can they not do that the Founder can?
full control means they can edit the privs for that app + everything else and most means they can edit everything except for the privs for the app
Raise the limit for the number of admins (currently 99 for both basic and super groups) in super groups. Moar features equals moar profits
sorry, this one is really not gonna happen
[link] 12/30/09
In addition to the public forums idea someone else suggested, it'd be nice to have shoutboxes, at least for super groups. I realise there are chatrooms, but those are less effective for smaller groups and people can't see messages posted before joining.
we are not building a group shoutbox
between forums and chat in the future, we see no reason for another widget to maintain [link] 1/5/10
Super groups are limited to 80 thumbs in blogs [link] 1/17/10
Why can't I, as an admin, leave user-visible comments on fav contributions like I can with submissions?
cause there is no correspondence message sent to the submitter for the fave .. so the have no way to access those comments [link] 1/19/10
The notes center has the ability to add folders and file notes into them, I feel a similar system should be in place for the GroupDesk
We are improving the group notes system - we won't be implementing traditional folders but some type of organization will be provided (Tags, perhaps?) [link] 1/20/10
Deleting GroupDesk notes is a common suggestion; since we can hide Bulletins and Conversations can we hide notes as well?
working on it [link] 1/20/10 [EDIT 1/31/10: GroupDesk notes can be marked as 'Spam' which effectively hides them]
Hello, can groups accept scraps?
Type in "gallery:username/*" into the search box (without quotes) [link] 1/21/10
How do we allow certain admins to hide comments and not others?
next sync will enable hiding on any comment in a group, even on devmeet, polls, notes, correspondence threads, etc.
the ability to hide, report as spam is determined by 'can-edit' privs of the application widget that owns the comment. so, if you can edit blog, if you can vote on submission message, if you can reply to notes - means you can hide comments on them. if not then no [link] 1/22/10
Group news articles?
there will not be group news. period. news/journals-blogs merger is entirely separate project, once completed the blogs would have all the 'newsy' features currently desired. [link] 1/30/10
I'm making a poll for the most popular suggestions for groups, any ideas?
please do not include things in the poll that have next to none chance of being implemented in a forceable future. news, user-style-notes, private polls, etc - those have far bigger dependencies than groups project, those are big subsystems in need of complete overhaul before groups platform can tap in and interoperate with them. Before groups can work with another deviant-art system, that system needs to understand a concept of not belonging to a user profile, and supporting permissioned access. those and many others dont, and enabling them to do so requires a complete re-architecture [link] 1/30/10
Can we have the ability to add custom folders to the GroupDesk notes center? The current Notes Center has that ability, why not the GroupDesk?
Won't Fix [link] 1/31/10
Will the "Members-Only" app will be a Super group exclusive app? Or will it be for all groups?
I think all groups but I can't say for sure about that. maybe just more appealing for super groups' version [link] 1/31/10
We can't convert a club after March 1st?
i've just checked with $chix0r and she says that you will still be able to convert a club but it will cost you (she wouldn't say how much >.>) [link] 1/31/10
Two submissions were sent to #VarietyClub . I declined the first two submissions and then when the member tried to submit a third, they were shown an error that stated that they had tried to go over the 2-submissions-per-week limit I had set for the members class. I presume this is an error since none of their work was successfully posted to the group and thus wouldn't count against their submitted-to-the-group quota.
if the submission is withdrawn then it won't count towards the limit. rejection by the group does not count is withdrawn. [link] 2/3/10
Conversation with site staff...
Oh, and stacks are getting a major do over again soon, but sorry cant show it
Browsing #devBUG comments...
[Concerning the development of a new Affiliations widget , a section for "Outgoing Affiliation Requests" and "Incoming Affiliation Requests" has been added to the Admin Area >> Log page] [link] 2/21/10
How do I get additional key words to be applied to my group so that my group comes up in the search but the words don't appear in the group's description?
Use [link] 2/26/10
I want to delete Featured folders from Gallery and Faves. I tried to rename them and turn into a normal folder, but it is not allowed.
They are part of the implementation, not likely to change any time too soon. The featured folders act as the "root" of your gallery and collections - their submission limit settings are inherited by the other folders. Allowing them to be deleted would cause havoc. [link] 2/26/10
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thistlesis In reply to ??? [2010-06-21 15:55:28 +0000 UTC]
I have a question for you...I've searched for the answer, but I can't find it, even though I feel like it should be obvious.
How exactly do you extend your super group's subscription? Before when they were on separate accounts it was easy to buy a subby, but now I can't figure it out for the life of me, even though I've searched.
Any help that you could give me would be much appreciated, thanks a lot.
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parallellogic In reply to thistlesis [2010-06-24 05:18:00 +0000 UTC]
~I feel like it should be obvious.
It should be, but it isn't
dA only allows groups to extend their subscriptions when they're one month from expiring (I suppose this is their way of preventing groups from 'stockpiling' subs while they're still fairly 'cheap' [they'll eventually double in cost for a group sub]).
I can however hack a URL for you (it's not accessible through any of the links on the site if your group is currently subscribed for more than a month). However, it takes a bit of tinkering, and I'm on a dial-up connection until Sunday. If you were just looking for info, I hope I was able to answer your question; if you would like me to help you access the group's subscription page, reply to this comment, and I'll put the URL together for you
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thistlesis In reply to parallellogic [2010-06-24 14:31:59 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I guess that's why I couldn't figure it out.
Thanks for the help, I just wanted the info. You don't have to go out of your way to do anything.
Thanks again!
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parallellogic In reply to thistlesis [2010-06-24 21:05:51 +0000 UTC]
Certainly, let me know if you want the link in the future (it'll be much easier once I get back on a reliable connection next week)
They're also locking out the club-to-group conversion on July 4th, so that will prevent people from making club account, subbing them for $30, and converting them to group accounts (essentially getting a group account sub for half the current cost). I presume sometime soon they'll release a couple minor bonus features for groups and jack the group sub price way up at the same time.
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thistlesis In reply to parallellogic [2010-06-25 03:38:34 +0000 UTC]
Sure, if I change my mind I will let you know! Thanks for all of the info, it's very helpful!
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Sorren-Chan In reply to ??? [2010-04-01 17:25:13 +0000 UTC]
How do you add a 'contribute art' button to your page? I read thought the tutorials but I don't seem to see any.
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parallellogic In reply to Sorren-Chan [2010-04-01 19:06:56 +0000 UTC]
That would be enabling submissions - the button will be added to your group's gallery, not the profile page. Admin Area >> Manage Members >> Members >> On Gallery, Members: >> Submissions to "Featured": >> Are Subject to Vote...
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paradoxchild In reply to ??? [2010-03-27 14:34:02 +0000 UTC]
Hello there friend,I'm writing to you cause I'm a noob @ being a moderator for this art group.So in other words,I need help.Do you know by any chance how to add a exhibition to your art group gallery? example seen here,[link] I'm going to you cause I think you have a good idea of how this stuff works,thx
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parallellogic In reply to paradoxchild [2010-03-27 14:46:34 +0000 UTC]
Certainly, when you go to your group's gallery (I presume you are the founder and should have the proper privs), you will see a section in the left column labeled "Gallery Folders" with a "New Folder" button at the bottom - pressing that button will create a new folder. Once you have created a new folder, you will need to to change the priv settings in the admin area >> manage members >> members >> "On Gallery, Members:" >> "Show All Folders" >> Submissions to "New Folder" >> "Are Subject to vote..." - that will open up submissions to that folder.
Let me know if you have any other questions
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paradoxchild In reply to parallellogic [2010-03-27 14:59:19 +0000 UTC]
I see the folders but I only see,"featured" in the "gallery folders" no "new folder" button is sight sigh* I'm a Moderator,but I have full control.Do I still have to be s Admin??
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parallellogic In reply to paradoxchild [2010-03-27 22:09:07 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I'm looking through the settings, you'd actually need a subscribed group to allow Contributors to be able to make folders
Admin Area >> Manage Members >> Contributors >> On Gallery, Contributors: >> Show Exceptions >> On the Featured folder: >> Who can Administrate? >> Add... >> Contributors (you can only add exceptions for super groups)
At least that's my best guess at the problem, I don't control a super group, so I can't say for sure
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paradoxchild In reply to parallellogic [2010-03-28 03:48:58 +0000 UTC]
"On Gallery, Contributors:" not in manage members>contributers...it's just not there,is it possible to add it?
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parallellogic In reply to paradoxchild [2010-03-28 12:02:13 +0000 UTC]
I'm confused, "On Gallery, Contributors:" is found in the manage members>contributers section. I don't know what 'it' is
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paradoxchild In reply to parallellogic [2010-03-28 22:30:27 +0000 UTC]
It's all good now.I figured it out,you've been a huge help brother,thx a bunch
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parallellogic In reply to paradoxchild [2010-03-28 23:14:26 +0000 UTC]
Awesome, glad to help
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Itti In reply to ??? [2009-12-26 19:23:32 +0000 UTC]
"FAQ is wrong. journal forums are not migrated (as are other minor things like shoutbox, webcam, deviousinfo, etc)"
Shoutboard details are lost too.
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-27 05:26:50 +0000 UTC]
What is the difference between a shoutbox and shoutboard details?
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Itti In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-27 18:56:12 +0000 UTC]
Shoutbox is the comment box everyone can post in. Shoutboards are the custom box things you put whatever you want in. (It's possible they're not called shoutboards these days - I may be out of touch )
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-27 21:56:51 +0000 UTC]
~Shoutboards are the custom box things you put whatever you want in. Custom Boxes? Actually, basic groups get one custom box per page, super groups can have as many as they like.
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Itti In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-29 17:12:17 +0000 UTC]
Normal users (and therefore 'club' accounts) get a custom box on journal page (this box was at one point called a shoutboard but seems to have been renamed, possibly due to the confusion with a shoutbox) and on the main page. When a club is converted to a group though, the data on the main page is kept but the data in the box on the journal page is lost. You have to make a new one.
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-30 06:30:54 +0000 UTC]
to clarify, this applies only to profile pages, blog is entirely new page, so journal page, print page, etc are gone in groups and customboxes belonging to those can not be recycled [link] 12/29/09
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-30 04:07:14 +0000 UTC]
Did you try adding a new Custom Box? They may be hidden when you first see the group, but their content is supposed to be saved when you re-add them to the page.
They are not lost. try adding a new custombox, it will contain the content of the 'lost' one. the layout if group and user is different and we can not keep the widgets on the page. the content is not lost though [link] 12/29/09
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-29 23:49:04 +0000 UTC]
Ah, thank you for explaining that, I've filed a ticket in #devBUG to fix that
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to ??? [2009-12-23 02:24:20 +0000 UTC]
Bug Report: When I first started sending invites, it would let me have 25 pending invites before I got that "limit" message, but now I can only send 11. Is this an error?
its not a bug, its throttled depending on ratio of accepted invitations
So if you're getting a lot of declines, your limit goes down. But if you're getting a lot of accepts, wouldn't it make sense for your limit go up? I think that would be fair (because if you start getting a lot of declines, your limit would go down accordingly), but I'm pretty sure everyone's max is still 25.
Just a thought.
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parallellogic In reply to Kira-Ani-McGrath [2009-12-23 04:21:24 +0000 UTC]
~wouldn't it make sense for your limit go up?
I've checked the source and they've discussed the issue a bit more: the limit is there to prevent admins from 'spamming' invites: so it looks like a preventative measure and I don't think they're looking to increase that limit, unfortunately
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2010-01-05 02:18:37 +0000 UTC]
I have another question/observation related to group invite limits: Do they ever re-increase (to a max of 25) if your limit was lowered? I'm down to 5 invites even though my ratio of accepts to declines is high (it's done nothing but go down with each decline, and never goes back up with the accepts). Also, I'm pretty sure that expired invites are being counted against the group. Yesterday I had 9 pending invites, and today 4 of them expired. Now I can only have 5 pending invites. It's extremely frustrating (especially since an expired invite isn't something that should be counted against the group, unlike a decline).
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parallellogic In reply to Kira-Ani-McGrath [2010-01-05 07:16:41 +0000 UTC]
~I'm pretty sure that expired invites are being counted against the group.
That is a known issue and is currently being worked on.
~Do they ever re-increase
I've been told that the invite-limit decrease is much like an IP address ban (that prevents you from creating new accounts on dA), it eventually resets, but it takes a while (I believe on the order of a month or two). The invites system is still undergoing renovations, so it will probably be a while before it is running smoothly.
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2010-01-05 23:10:05 +0000 UTC]
Sorry sorry sorry I swear I don't mean to spam your inbox.
My invites have actually gone back up today. Remember yesterday I said I could only have 5? I'm back up to at least 11 (maybe more, ran out of people to invite). I guess either my ratio turned over or they fixed the expired bug w/retroactive correctiveness.
I did also discover through some testing that you can invite people who have already denied an invite (I guess it makes sense) and you can invite admin-level group members if you select the "members" level (inviting a co-founder to "Members" is specifically what I tested) - versus that you can't invite a member-level to members. [You probably already knew that, just learning observations on my part. ]
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parallellogic In reply to Kira-Ani-McGrath [2010-01-05 23:22:24 +0000 UTC]
~or they fixed the expired bug w/retroactive correctiveness.
Yep, they just fixed it.
1 hour 59 minutes ago
Expired invites should be really expired now and not count in the pending invites threshold.
~versus that you can't invite a member-level to members That was fixed on 12/17/09, that was actually a bug I had reported
(receiving multiple invites to the same position from a group was a tad annoying when you were already at that position)
~You probably already knew that, just learning observations on my part. Yes, but it's always good to report anything you notice as odd, seeing groups through a fresh set of eyes lets us know where things are unclear, broken or could possibly be improved upon.
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2010-01-05 22:48:50 +0000 UTC]
I thought of something else.
~I'm pretty sure that expired invites are being counted against the group.
That is a known issue and is currently being worked on.
Since it's currently being worked on, there may be no info on possible resolutions yet, but here goes: do you have any idea if, when it is fixed, the invitations limit for an individual group will be retroactively corrected or if it will just be a "from now on, an expired invite won't count against the invite limit"?
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I know a lot of stuff is up in the air right now.
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parallellogic In reply to Kira-Ani-McGrath [2010-01-05 23:43:06 +0000 UTC]
~do you have any idea if, when it is fixed, the invitations limit for an individual group will be retroactively corrected
I really don't know, if the expired invites were counting as declined, and that was decreasing your limit, then it should be back to 25 or thereabout since the system is fixed.
~Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. I know a lot of stuff is up in the air right now. They're getting pretty close to finalizing the system actually, they may revamp the way deviations are selected for submission to the group's gallery/favs, but other than that, I wouldn't expect any other really big changes like the change to allow members to be unlimited... currently they're looking at adding something to handle affiliations and to limit users' contributions to a group per time period (like 2 submissions per week)
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2010-01-06 00:06:59 +0000 UTC]
Alright, thanks for all the help and info.
Yeah, a lot of people want that member-contribution limit, myself included.
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2010-01-05 22:14:53 +0000 UTC]
Alright, much thanks for the info.
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Kira-Ani-McGrath In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-24 00:29:17 +0000 UTC]
Darn. It does make sense, but if a high enough ratio of people are accepting an admins invites, then the admin isn't really "spamming" invites. A higher limit will just allow the admin to reach more people sooner (plus, like I said, the limit would go down again if there were more declines). It's not as though the invite limit would be removed completely, it would just be a bit higher (depending on the ratio) to reward them for having a club lots of people want to join. Ah well, it's not like it's terribly important.
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Itti In reply to ??? [2009-12-16 01:17:07 +0000 UTC]
These comments are really helpful, thanks!
I would like to see deviations from groups and deviations from individual artists appear separately in my devwatch (I know you can sort by artist but that doesn't really help if you have a lot of groups) because some groups send a lot of deviations so I have to "clear" them very quickly but I don't want to accidentally delete something from one of the people I watch because there are much fewer of them.
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parallellogic In reply to Itti [2009-12-16 21:50:47 +0000 UTC]
That's a nice idea and has been mentioned a couple times to the programmers, but I don't think it's in the immediate plans. The next project after groups looks to be the message center revamp, and it's possible a filtering feature will be released with that upgrade though
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Itti In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-18 13:26:51 +0000 UTC]
Well thanks for letting me know
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M-Bae In reply to ??? [2009-12-15 09:20:34 +0000 UTC]
sorry... i too found that very..... long to read so i dont know if i happened to miss it but.... k i get WHAT it is what it is used for... am i mistaken but how do we make A group? i see a lot of new ones formed, etcetc..... can only moderators make one or how does it work??
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parallellogic In reply to M-Bae [2009-12-15 09:30:08 +0000 UTC]
I believe you're looking for #makeagroup or #convertaclub . The groups system is open to everyone, but is still in beta-testing, so you may run into some issues over the next couple months while the remaining bugs are worked out. Some tips: if you are converted a club (not creating a group from scratch) you will want to subscribe the club before hand since the group retains the full duration subscription, but subscriptions currently cost $60 for groups and will eventually cost $120 per year (they will implement a "chip in" feature eventually so that members can donate a little bit toward the group's subscription). Also, you will lose the club's news and forums, if you have any, when you convert, so be sure to save that info.
~long to read I'll be working on a shorter version this weekend
(as well as a more in-depth, current version)
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yami-izumi In reply to ??? [2009-12-14 09:46:28 +0000 UTC]
How to change my group's avatar? I can't find the setting in the back room @___@
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parallellogic In reply to yami-izumi [2009-12-14 10:13:25 +0000 UTC]
If you go to your group's front page and left-click on the avatar at the top-left of the page, you can edit in much the same way as your own avatar
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yami-izumi In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-15 06:12:49 +0000 UTC]
Hoo...I see XD
I've never used that method before. Thanks^^
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parallellogic In reply to yami-izumi [2009-12-15 06:16:04 +0000 UTC]
Certainly, please don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions
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yami-izumi In reply to yami-izumi [2009-12-14 10:02:42 +0000 UTC]
sorry no need to, I've found the way to change it XD
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shsn [2009-12-13 14:55:12 +0000 UTC]
I want for my members to be able to request to be able to join different classes like maybe (if I have super group) manga style artists and manga kas - Can I have such a thing. Also, I can't figure out to allow what member class to be able to submit art. Is that possible?
thank you
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parallellogic In reply to shsn [2009-12-14 07:11:47 +0000 UTC]
~Can I have such a thing.
You can set the privs in such a way that users can select "Join our Group" on the group's front page and select a class to join other than Members. Keep in mind that there is a limit of 1 founder and 99 admins in a group, so at some point you'd run into a problem where you could no longer accept any more "manga style artists" or "mange kas". #MasterPhotoshop ran into this problem and ended up having to make their joining guidelines *much* more strict such that it is practically impossible to join in an administrative roll. The members are watchers are the only unlimited lists of users for groups.
~Also, I can't figure out to allow what member class to be able to submit art.
You can set various member classes to have different privs on how they submit art/favs (ie, you can set them to be auto-approved or only accepted after a vote) here: [link] . This page can be accessed through the group's Back Room and by clicking the "Manage Members" button. There is a current glitch that periodically resets a group's priv settings, so you may find that the privs don't take effect or that they revert even after you've set them. This is a known issue and is currently being worked on by the development staff.
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shsn In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-14 13:52:38 +0000 UTC]
Awesome. You helped me with on problem, but when I looked I can only allow my members to contribute art. I want them to be able to submit art. My club will have drawing submitted but also comics. I want a copy of the comics to be submitted to exclusively to the club.
thank in advance
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parallellogic In reply to shsn [2009-12-15 02:57:30 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, you're looking for the feature to allow submissions exclusively to the group... I can do it through my own group if I go to the group's gallery, click the "Submit to this Gallery" and then click "Submit a new Deviation". You should be presented with the option to contribute exclusively to the group that way: [link] . I don't think it's a specific priv issue - contributing art just to the group and contributing art that appears in both the group and the original artist's gallery is controlled by the same priv setting I believe... I haven't actually tested that feature just yet... please let me know if you run into any problems
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shsn In reply to parallellogic [2009-12-15 03:24:15 +0000 UTC]
Thanks but I've already tested that and (unless I did it wrong) when you contribute, you don't have the option to contribute exclusively to the group.. I have seen that option when I want to submit a new deviation
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parallellogic In reply to shsn [2009-12-15 05:14:00 +0000 UTC]
Are you saying the "exclusively to group" option does not appear when you submit the work? Are you using the button provided in the group's gallery, or submitting through your profile page? I'm not sure what trouble you're running into, can you see the "exclusively to group" option?
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