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Published: 2017-12-30 04:19:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 9928; Favourites: 127; Downloads: 115
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Description In this TL the Nazis respected the Non Aggression Pact, the war came to the stalemate with the Nazis conquering all of mainland Europe, Africa and most of the Middle East. The Japanese were succesfull attacking Asia, conquering most of the West Pacific. The Soviets have remained isolated trying to avoid war with the Japanese or the Nazis.
The United States saw the threat of the Totalitarian Empires and formed the United Democratic Nations with the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and the rest of the Americas.

Finally Israel remains an impregnable fortress where Jews can be safe with their massive stockpile of sophisticated weapons and WMD's.
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VeryAnnoyngDude [2021-11-24 11:47:24 +0000 UTC]

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adir84 [2020-01-18 15:59:05 +0000 UTC]

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Polystralia36 [2019-05-17 17:48:28 +0000 UTC]

the Arabs, Ethiopia, eastern Africa and Turkey should be in the UDN

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PatrickMontreal In reply to Polystralia36 [2019-05-18 22:42:54 +0000 UTC]

They were all conquered by the Axis.

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MasterChica1987 [2019-01-16 07:46:55 +0000 UTC]

I like how this turns out, well done.

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PatrickMontreal In reply to MasterChica1987 [2019-01-17 16:18:33 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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MasterChica1987 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2019-02-02 11:20:13 +0000 UTC]

Question: When you mentioned the Holy See is moved to Ireland after Christianity becomes outlawed in German-occupied Italy, where is it established? Belfast or Dublin?

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PatrickMontreal In reply to MasterChica1987 [2019-02-03 00:37:54 +0000 UTC]

Dublin, St. Patrick's Cathedral.

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MasterChica1987 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2019-02-03 02:28:48 +0000 UTC]

Dually noted.

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MasterChica1987 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2019-01-18 00:03:44 +0000 UTC]

No problem. I always imagined an outcome where Israel stood alone against the Nazi regime, just sounds awesome.

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rds98 [2018-10-21 22:58:39 +0000 UTC]

I'm assuming the relationship between the three dictatorships is like that of the Orwellian superstates: they scream about how much they hate each other, but have occasional and interchanging alliances of convenience.


What are standards of living like in the UDN?

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PatrickMontreal In reply to rds98 [2018-10-23 02:11:49 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely, they all hate each other. Of course, the absolute hate of heads of the Riech is reserved for Israel.

On the UDN there's a mix, the US, Canada, Australia, Britain, Ireland, Iceland and New Zealand are democratic, most of Latin America is fairly democratic, although most of Central America is a plutocracy

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Khai2000 [2018-07-23 16:11:46 +0000 UTC]

Antartica will be the place for U.D.N HQ and Reich.

Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebell visiting to London to proposal the new alliance to battling the plight of Soviet aggressor.

In Africa, several African joined the Reich and India too.

This is the year, 1960s.Β 

Dag HammarskjΓΆld is now visting to Berlin to discussing the Soviet-Reich skirmish.

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Ngabay [2018-01-18 20:55:28 +0000 UTC]

If the nazis were horrified by what the boers did to the zulus, i just cant immagine what they have done...

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PatrickMontreal In reply to Ngabay [2018-01-19 03:09:56 +0000 UTC]

Believe me, you don't want to ...

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Vinesaucefan [2018-01-06 00:51:54 +0000 UTC]

Calling it now

The Penguins win the war

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Felbah In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-03-02 10:10:14 +0000 UTC]

With this map as the result of that war, I say not getting involved would have been the greatest decision made by any group.

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Felbah [2018-03-03 01:53:44 +0000 UTC]

The Emus won their war tho

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-05 21:23:31 +0000 UTC]

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-05 22:16:56 +0000 UTC]

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-05 23:15:44 +0000 UTC]

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-06 23:40:32 +0000 UTC]

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-07 01:41:15 +0000 UTC]

Β 

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-07 21:11:33 +0000 UTC]



Alternatively:

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-07 23:17:06 +0000 UTC]

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-08 00:45:10 +0000 UTC]

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-08 00:50:15 +0000 UTC]

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-08 22:05:23 +0000 UTC]



was told it's a really big image so I'm putting it here

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-08 22:13:15 +0000 UTC]

Β 

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Vinesaucefan In reply to Sporedude135 [2018-04-08 22:17:01 +0000 UTC]

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Sporedude135 In reply to Vinesaucefan [2018-04-08 22:17:54 +0000 UTC]

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K9theXV [2017-12-31 19:46:20 +0000 UTC]

It makes me sad that the Poles, Zulus and Koreans are on the verge of extinction in this timeline. Which isn't surprising given how genocidal those regimes would be if the Axis got their way.

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PatrickMontreal In reply to K9theXV [2017-12-31 20:56:20 +0000 UTC]

There are still Poles and Koreans in the USSR and the territories of the United Democratic Nations, if the Axis are defeated they could effectively rebuild their nations. Sadly the Zulus have indeed been totally exterminated.

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K9theXV In reply to PatrickMontreal [2018-01-03 00:23:37 +0000 UTC]

"if the Axis are defeated they could effectively rebuild their nations"

So kind of like how Israel effectively rebuilt, well, itself thousands and thousands of years later?

"Sadly the Zulus have indeed been totally exterminated."

Are there any Black Africans left that somehow escaped the Boer dominated Apartheid South Africa on steroids in this timeline? Like say at least twelve Xhosa or something? Or the Nazis planning on doing something similar in the Congo or are they just content with using the Congolese people as slave labor?

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PatrickMontreal In reply to K9theXV [2018-01-06 03:18:54 +0000 UTC]

Yes, just like Israel they could rebuild their nations if the nazis are defeated.

The only africans that have survived are hidden in the Ethiopian mountains, and the deep jungles of Central Africa and Madagascar. Probably some Xhosas, Tswanas and others were able to escape before they were killed, the Zulus stayed, fought but were defeated.

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adir84 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2020-03-17 20:41:36 +0000 UTC]

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Sporedude135 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2018-04-05 21:24:19 +0000 UTC]

Salute to the Zulus!

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Mobiyuz [2017-12-30 19:27:40 +0000 UTC]

It seems that even when the Nazis win, Israel is OP.

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K9theXV In reply to Mobiyuz [2017-12-31 20:07:29 +0000 UTC]

I like to imagine that the walls of these "Fortress Israel" type scenarios would be like modernized versions of Wall Maria, Wall Rose and Wall Sina from Attack on Titan (which should've been called "Attack of the Titans" in my opinion, since that grammatically makes more sense). I just love alternate history scenarios where Israel by some miracle from the gods manages to form itself even when Nazi Germany is still around. You could make great military sci fi works with those three way cold war between Fascism, Communism and Democracy scenarios.

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PatrickMontreal In reply to K9theXV [2017-12-31 21:02:37 +0000 UTC]

Israel is so heavily armed that OTL North Korea would be a defenseless small nation in comparison. Think about Attack on Titan, World War Z, Game of Thrones and The Maze Runner combined and you'll have a small idea of Israel's borders.

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adir84 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2020-01-18 16:07:02 +0000 UTC]

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Mobiyuz In reply to K9theXV [2017-12-31 20:18:05 +0000 UTC]

I once wrote a short alternate history where Japan renewed its alliance with Britain in the 1920s and fought with the Allies in WWII, however, much like the Soviet Union, it was more an alliance of convenience. For example, as France and the Netherlands fell to Germany, Japan came in and occupied their colonies in East Asia to "maintain order", and what ended up happening is that they didn't give them back after the war, detonating their own nuclear bomb not long after the end of WWII, and as a result the world enters a three-way cold war between the United States, USSR, and Japanese Empire.

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Felbah In reply to Mobiyuz [2018-03-02 10:16:55 +0000 UTC]

My friend was making an AltHis where Britain shifts to closely aligning with the Japanese rather than the US with a point of divergence around the First World War. He thinks that this would mean a far less militaristic Japanese state with a democratising government right off the bat. That would likely make America more likely to side with the Axis powers. Both of the scenarios - yours and his - seem very interesting.

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MviluUatusun [2017-12-30 14:47:47 +0000 UTC]

In this TL, it looks like Russia/USSR finally got their warm water coastline/ports.

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K9theXV In reply to MviluUatusun [2017-12-31 20:08:03 +0000 UTC]

Question now is how long will it last?

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PatrickMontreal In reply to K9theXV [2017-12-31 20:33:24 +0000 UTC]

As long as the Reich doesn'tΒ  attack them

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adir84 In reply to PatrickMontreal [2020-03-17 20:44:05 +0000 UTC]

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