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Description here I tried to resolve some of the few remaining issues there were with ichthyids, I have finally figured out their propulsion system and skeletal system, as well as variability of their external anatomy. shame to say, the strut runnung the length of the body is a backbone with nerve chord inside. I am still a bit pissed because of that, but that's the most sensible solution of all which I have considered. the 'rib rings' are composed of four segments and they only support the gill chamber from collapsing onto itself. Only the first and last ring are attached to the vertebral column, with four struts each. the other rib rings are only supported by the musculature on the outside. before becoming terrestrial, the rib rings disconnected on the bottom, sunk in the body, gradually encompassing the internal organs, leaving only the lower two membranes in the propulsion chamber functional. most likely, the lower right ichthyid is something like earth's coelacanth. most ichthyids can forcibly expell water out of this chamber by flattenning it from the sides, which allows them to quickly zip away from predators (including larer ichthyids who rely more on fin strength than jet propulsion) sometimes even followed with a spray of excrement to deter them. the difference between the two major extant ichthyid clades does not only lie in the shape of fins and presence of protective plates, in the lineage more closely related to amphibious and subsequently terrestrial vertebrates, the lower exognath is jointed underneath the orbit and the upper exognath is jointed above the orbit, which is the basic jaw arrangement of the most primitive terrerstrial clades, while the "smooth ichthyids" have the lower exognath attached below and above the orbit, and the upper exognath forms a pincer-like structure with the lower exognath, being almost completely independent of the skull.

The topmost critter is just an experiment, the worm-like thing on the upper right still needs more work, but i plan it to be a descendant of the last common ancestor of these guys: [link] and the idhthyids.
The first striking difference is in their symetry, the "bony squids" remaining tetraradial like their ancestors, the originally tetraradial ichthyids gradually became biradial (both of these ancestral ichthyid groups are now extinct, but I still might draw them some time...) and then bilateral. the number and position of the jaws, number of eyes and general layout of fins still give away their tetraradial origins, as well as their (in most cases) four-membraned gill chamber, but their remaining organ systems are present only once, in contrast with the worm-like creature in the picture which follows tetraradial symetry even on the inside, as well as the "bony squids".

the remaining sketches are dealing with avicephalians again, but I am not sure whether I'll even use the concepts or not. the hummingbird-like one has almost lost its lower exognaths, only retaining long and slender upper exognaths and endognaths. The other sketch just shows a penguin-like avicephalid with its canards turned into dorsal fins.
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PeteriDish In reply to ??? [2013-03-30 09:16:44 +0000 UTC]

yay thanks!

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Zerraspace [2013-02-10 10:01:30 +0000 UTC]

I must say, good show with diversifying the design - I always have a bit of trouble with that - and I can even imagine some niches for each of the them in the ecosystem (the bone squid is practically asking to be a leech or filter feeder, the uppermost icthyid would seem to be a symbiote and cleaner like a remora, the armored one strikes me as a slow herbivore). I had almost confused the bottom one for an icthyiid; it seems well suited to be a large predatorial swimmer.

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PeteriDish In reply to Zerraspace [2013-02-10 13:39:48 +0000 UTC]

yes, that was the idea thank you!

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Adiraiju [2013-01-28 12:57:29 +0000 UTC]

Wonderful concepts, and impressive detail about their various xenoexclusive traits! Well done!

(I know "Xenoexclusive" isn't a word, but it should be...)

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PeteriDish In reply to Adiraiju [2013-01-28 13:03:27 +0000 UTC]

neologisms FTW! thank you very much!

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Adiraiju In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-29 10:13:27 +0000 UTC]

Heh, Certainly!

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Biofauna25 [2013-01-28 04:36:05 +0000 UTC]

I like these, and love the experimentation going on!

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PeteriDish In reply to Biofauna25 [2013-01-28 08:07:42 +0000 UTC]

thank you! I am still figuring stuff out, as you can see, unlike you, who already seems to have the project worked down to the smallest details and only needs to bring it on paper now

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Biofauna25 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-29 03:49:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's how I do things. I sometimes think that I should try doing the art and planning at the same time, that might make my projects more creative.

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PeteriDish In reply to Biofauna25 [2013-01-29 07:51:13 +0000 UTC]

on the other hand, what I do is "i don't know what I'm doing" kind of thing most of the time... XD

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KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 18:57:40 +0000 UTC]

I like that hummingbird thing quite much. But i'd onsider giving such a whale-like tail to a seal analogue rather.

But what really draws my attention are the fishy things with their huge chamebr inside and propulsion system. I've been thinking that they could deveolp similar behaviour to these flying squids. Would be great to have a group of flying vertebrates vertebrates that never really had "land" phase in their evolution, flying directly out of water. Perhaps they could behave like "reversed dolphins", while being perfectly adapted to living in the air, they owuld still have to submerge to takie a breath once in a while. Perhaps you could even alter the whole evolution process, making most the land lifeforms descendands of semi-aquatic fliers. I guess such a great difference of what happened on earth could be welcome. (As for the flying squids... sorry to say that but they seem much less cool in comparison with these new guys - I'd consider them playing much lesser role if I were you... )

Also what came to my mind. that huge wter filled chameber... wouldn't it be a cool place for tiny planctonic larvae to find shelter in.? You've been considering various weird forms of reproduction recently - add this one -(sort of like a seahorse) - feamale lays eggs inside male's gll chamber where they the offspring hatches and filtrates food untill getting expelled trough propulsion. SOme more advanced species could have male move little during that time being cared for by hist mate - much like some birds do today. (a creature in the nest, blah that was cool some 400 millions years ago! A nest in a creature - that's what's cool now man!)

Finally what I like about fishes is that their propulsion system is a great explanaition for why none of your creatures ever had a tail and I;'ve been needing it subconsiously from the beginning.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 19:42:23 +0000 UTC]

wow thank you so much! you may be right about the tail looking like a fluke, but I really didn't know what else to do with it. XD
Thank you very much for enjoying the "fish" because I enjoy them too, they turned out to be pretty neat critters after all I agree that my creatures don't seem to have long tails, and I think it will be the case for most of them, but they are not "de facto" tailless still. But on the other hand... Maybe they should be XD
I hear you like their propulsion system, and the new incarnation of the "bony squids" would have such a chamber too, but all organs would be inside the rib rings, not just the gill chamber. I would like the bony squids to swim backwards, but I can find little rationalization for that. if they were to swim face-first, i think they would lose half of their cool factor... =/ And I can see why you may like the ichthyids more, but then again, there are no tetraradial flying organisms on earth, so I would really like to keep them in the project...
Any thoughts on how could I explain that the bony squids swim backwards? All I can think of is a benthic species feeding on animals burried in sand on the sea bed, it would have reversed flow of the water, expelling it through the mouth (they don't have a separate "nostrill" like the ichthyids) to stir up the sand to find hidden prey, but what would initiate this change? or should all of them simply be able to decide whether to move forwards or backwards? but then again, if they could choose, why would they choose swimming backwards? I thought they would swim (and fly) backwards simply because the tentacles would be streamlined behind the body and not flailing into all directions in high speeds... or would this be enough of a reason to go backwards when speed is desired? I know it sounds counterintuitive, but if they would choose the swim backwards when escapind predators into the air, would this be enough of a reason for them staying this way forever?

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 19:57:21 +0000 UTC]

Still, what you think about my other ideas?


Well... what came to my mind were these lizards with very fat tails that looks almost as their heads. And the caterpilars who'se tail is like a snake's head. These "squids" or rtaher their ancerstors, being quite simple organisms could have moved that to extreme, totally pretending that their butts are heads (just add some eye-like markings there) For that to make sense I guess you'd have to move the brain a bit closer to the mouth-end but I guess it's should work.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 20:13:05 +0000 UTC]

Oooh sorry! you mean the parental care ideas? I think they'll find use for sure! I'm sorry I've missed that part out completely in my response XD and staying aloft but returning to the water to breathe is a really alien idea, like you said, mirrored dolphins. If crabs can carry water in their gill chamber, these critters could too. I imagine some of them soaring, looking for prey and diving to catch it, taking a fresh fill of water in the process... what about some small flexible worm-like bony squids or mudskipper- like bony squids?

if you look here: [link] you can easily see that they are not exactly "compatible" yet, they need their fins and eyes to be rearranged, and the mouth was just a placeholder at that time, and will have to be changed too.

I know what lizards you mean and I think it's a great idea, but the lizards attract predators to the "wrong" end, so wouldn't attracting the predators to your rear take away your chance of escape, provided you are faster when moving backwards? these critters start giving me a headache XD

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 20:27:37 +0000 UTC]

Well now they doo swim faster when backwards - but their ancestors didn't have to. And then, getting your ass kicked would be better than loosing your head.

And what about life first coquering the skies and then the land? I am especially fond of that idea. It's so alien and quite possible in my opinion. I mean we have creatures wirh propulsion in the water. They could quite easily become gliders and then fliers... and creation of land ecosystem would take much looonger than that. you could have an era in the past of your planet, where lands were still barren and skies were full of bizzare life that never walked functionally being the part of aquatic ecosystem. Later on they could adapt to this new lifestyle, inhabiting the new environments and overwhelming the kinds of animals that would evolve "conventional" way - by crawling out of the water.
That way nearly all of terrastial life would be descendents of flying monsters - at least to the first great extinction

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 20:45:14 +0000 UTC]

i will have to give that further thought, it's very seductive and it would indeed help break soome earthly paradigms, but I am afraid of the implications I am rather worried about whether the terrestrial vertebrates as they are now would could be a result of an aquatic organism becoming a flying organism and then becoming a terrestrial organism, or whether the aerial origins would affect their anatomy in an observable way which I would have to include in the anatomy of the terrestrial animals? But as an afterthought, wouldn't the early "fish" be clumsy cylinders still in the process of evolving fins? I can't imagine these things would manage to fly. I think they'd have easier time digging or wriglging up on land rather than fly...

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 20:55:38 +0000 UTC]

Well come on fish are very good at manuvering. They dont have to be that clumsy already ad the time.. Perhaps it would be somewhat strange but... totally unique from the projets of alien planets I know. And that has a great value . I think yes, then it would be necessary to do some revision of land animasl, especially for their limbs and some internal organ s too... but man I think it's all the way worth it!

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 20:58:39 +0000 UTC]

I'll let it sink in before I decide for sure, thanks for the suggestion.

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:00:56 +0000 UTC]

I'll wait with my fan arts till you decide then fot it could bring some changes to anatomy.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 21:08:45 +0000 UTC]

and what if they became bottom-crawling critters that crawled up on land afterwards? that would also be different from the story of planet earth... And some could then take on climbing up the first tall plants (which still may be rooted in shallow pools of water at these early days) to feed on their leaves and "spore cases" or something like that, and some of these critters could become the first aerial (at least gliding) animals?

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:11:52 +0000 UTC]

Naah.. That propulsion system seems perfect for "things that ought to swim yet learned to fly" paraphrasing Lovecraft.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 21:13:43 +0000 UTC]

damn you're good in these persuation tactics...

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:17:41 +0000 UTC]

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 21:26:00 +0000 UTC]

but what if they just squirted themselved out of the water and glid from pool to pool instead of flying actively? they would probably have two wriggle to the other pool if it were farther away...

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:29:37 +0000 UTC]

Well I thought mostly of shallow seas habitat rather than separate small pools.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 21:49:00 +0000 UTC]

hmmmm... but then these animals wouldn't be likely to colonize land...

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:55:42 +0000 UTC]

They could. they would originally evolve in the seas but then they could spread... I mean the best areas woud be getting crowded and it woudl be easy to get eaten, even in the skies. I think that perhaps flying squids being more aerodynamical, putting more pressure over them. smaller creatures coudl possibly retreat to inladn habitats finding shelter from flying doom among the vegetation.

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 22:01:03 +0000 UTC]

but I still think that while this was happenning, another lineage could crawl up on land, but then again, that would only serve as a different competition and environmental pressure

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 22:06:34 +0000 UTC]

Sure they could. It's all up to you . I just think it would add unique taste breaking the most obvious chain of evolution. If one wants to find the solution I think it would be there. to evolve flight creatures woudl have to be smarter and more coordinated, than crawlers. that could give them advantage when faced in the same environment, much like new invading species often shatter the isolated ecosystems..

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PeteriDish In reply to KingsOfEvilArt [2013-01-27 22:20:38 +0000 UTC]

well... maybe you are right. maybe i need to stop being so earth-dependednt all the time, maybe what is an obvious solution on earth isn't necessarily obvious solution elsewhere... but I'm still suspicious about it... It's horrible when you only have one world to look at... XD

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KingsOfEvilArt In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 22:34:33 +0000 UTC]

It has good points too. You have more freedom of artistic expression and no one can blame you!

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Fragillimus335 [2013-01-27 16:48:14 +0000 UTC]

I like the little hummingbird guy, and the armored looking squid thingy!!!!

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PeteriDish In reply to Fragillimus335 [2013-01-27 16:50:54 +0000 UTC]

yay thanks!

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OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 10:45:42 +0000 UTC]

I saw the pic earlier but now i cant! but i liked what i saw very cool stuff

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 10:53:57 +0000 UTC]

follow the instructions above to see it

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 10:59:08 +0000 UTC]

Now i see it fine and i also see the watermark really cool stuff petr

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 10:59:51 +0000 UTC]

watermark? I don't remember adding a watermark? D:

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 11:01:18 +0000 UTC]

Ah is in the middle mate

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 11:02:17 +0000 UTC]

peculiar... without the watermark, it is unviewable again. D: FUCK YOU DA! WTF IS THIS SHIT!

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 11:03:25 +0000 UTC]

Its okay man i can hardly see it any way

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 11:06:11 +0000 UTC]

I also think that the black and white simple sketch makes it less disturbing, but it still pricks me that it has to be there, otherwise the picture won't load... =/ The second I unchecked it, the problems came back.

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 20:47:14 +0000 UTC]

Dang that blows i think da is being buggy because i was trying to submit two creatures a second ago and it was so buggy

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 20:48:15 +0000 UTC]

well I changed the file for a smaller one and it miraculously managed to unbug itself XD

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:16:17 +0000 UTC]

Yeah but i want the pics in good quality

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 21:19:44 +0000 UTC]

and are they bad quallity?

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:22:10 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely not! I just...aw now i feel bad dangit what i ment was i dont want to change stuff plus the drawings i had planed need work

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 21:49:12 +0000 UTC]

don't worry

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:52:11 +0000 UTC]

Phew i hate offending people but yeah ill work on my designs some more a submit them tommorow

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PeteriDish In reply to OblivionJunkey94 [2013-01-27 21:53:05 +0000 UTC]

dude relax!

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OblivionJunkey94 In reply to PeteriDish [2013-01-27 21:56:10 +0000 UTC]

I just get like that sometimes you should see me when i ask to borrow money i hate borrowing things

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