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Man it just ticks me off Nietzsche is getting such a bad name. I love his concepts, "God's Dead" is up there with my favorite philosophies. It's just an interesting thing to look over and see it's positives/negatives. This film just threw the whole REAL point of the concept out the window for this hog-wash.
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“The problem of reconciling human suffering with the existence of a God who loves, is only insoluble so long as we attach a trivial meaning to the word "love", and look on things as if man were the centre of them. Man is not the centre. God does not exist for the sake of man. Man does not exist for his own sake. "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." We were made not primarily that we may love God (though we were made for that too) but that God may love us, that we may become objects in which the divine love may rest "well pleased".” -C.S. Lewis
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That sounds nice. It really does. Except it's just utter nonsense wrapped in pretty English when you consider youtu.be/9nnwvoH-4XI
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Sorry, but I'm with Stan Marsh on this one.
They need not be mutually exclusive.
Why couldn't one be the mechanism, guided by a mechanic?
At any rate, leave this alone. Okay?
This movie made me feel a warm little glow and reminded me of my grandfolks.
And frankly, these days, both sides have people who just want to be left alone to their beliefs or absence of beliefs and both sides have asshats that try to bully their viewpoint onto others.
The more we learn about the universe, the more we learn that we know nothing. We've gazed deep into the universe and found that not all matter is expanding from one common point but is in fact whizzing about in every which way, meaning if the Big Bang happened, it sure didn't happen the way we thought. Also, evolution has been proven not to be what we'd originally thought either.
I'm not about to say 'Both sides sound like they're just pulling stuff out of their ass', but my point is that both sides are from the flawed, human perspective. It's one of the problems I have with the famous Drake's Equation. We're using our own reckoning as a foundation to try and understand what's going on. If a civilization has billions of years of a head-start on us, who's to say they're not content to hang out on their own planet?
God, supposing he exists, has no obligation to reveal himself to us. Man's interpretation of God has been flawed because man has flaws, hence why I don't take the Bible literally.
This film never bullied or put down science. Never tried to make it into a bogeyman.
It is, as most Christians are wont to do these days, turning the other cheek.
So leave this one alone. Okay?
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Because it's called taking credit when we find out new stuff. The supposed answer to how the universe got here was god, and then we found out about background radiation and so on and now some Christians claim that God used that to create the universe. Same thing about evolution and so on. I could say the same about Zeus, Thor, Master Chief, Myself, or my Mom, but it needs evidence to actually believe it without being irrational.
Yes, everything could be wrong about our science, but the fact that we're doing science and trying to figure it out doesn't mean that "oh we don't know the answer we never will" or "God did it" you still have to prove that any god did it even if humans are wrong about everything scientific.
Stop saying to leave this alone, this is how the world works and how truths arrive. If everyone said "Well that's okay you say that and I'll say this and we'll go on our way" no more the days of discourse and actually giving a crap if your beliefs are true because everyone wants to feel safe and secure in their own beliefs.
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I don't believe I was talking to you, Adkins Diet.
And even if I was, I'd have explained to you the differences between blind faith and faith by experience. I don't begrudge the blind, but that doesn't mean I need to listen to them.
My beliefs are complicated and not akin to those you're used to dealing with, or those that are strawmanned in pop culture and on sites run by hackjobs.
But again, I'll remind you, wasn't talking to your carb-deficient ass.
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You think I care whether something was directed to me? You wrote something in public so deal with it being torn apart. Outside the fact that you're struggling with your own insecurities by even going near me with such little insults. Get real bub, and grow up 
Both blind faith and faith by experience are negative traits to have, and faith by experience is possibly worse because it's acknowledging something and attaching an unsupported notion to it, whereas blind faith is just hope really.
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Gee whiz mister, thanks for your insight! I have cataloged your opinion in a specially marked folder!
Golly, to think that all it took to shake me from my belief in something bigger in this world was an arrogant little weasel on the internet!
Hooray for science, score one for.... nothing in particular.... now kindly tottle off and get some help for your attention-craving sociological disorder.
Seriously, public or not, do you just walk up to two strangers conversing and start bleating your unwanted opinion when you hear something that challenges your nihilistic worldview?
That's just rude.
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Expected really, just because you're belly sore over an image lol.
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Whatever you say, chief.
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That's Master Chief to you.
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You don't find atheists in foxholes.
You don't have the balls to serve in the military.
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Actually most of my military mates are atheists and served 4-12 years in the military. One was a RAR, one was an Navy Seal, two were marines, and one was army. All atheists who don't believe in a god. Maybe it's an American thing lol.
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Just keep telling yourself that.
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Not even a statement that went with anything I said.
militaryatheists.org/atheists-…
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This is an open forum, which means anyone can read and put in their own thoughts and arguments. If you don't want people to respond, don't post anything. And if you're gonna insult someone because they don't agree with you, at least get your facts straight. It's Atkins who invented the diet, not Adkins. And the fact you feel a need to resort to personal insults when he did not, it just makes your arguments seem weak and you loose all credibility you might have had.
It's extremely unfair of you to claim everyone elses faith are simple and false, and yours are complex, true and impossible for everyone else to understand. If you think your beliefs are so very different from every other christian you are wrong, and probably not very secure in your belief. Or maybe you feel the need to distance yourself from the people who have been beaten over and over again in arguments concerning the holy scripture of christianity and still doesn't learn.
Please tell me what blind faith means to you, and why you don't fit into the category? Blind believers believe without evidence and since Christianity has no evidence at all for their god but a lot of evidence contradicting the biblical stories, I would say a vast majority of christians are blind believers.
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Wasn't talking to you either, pal. And I never said that other beliefs were simple.
This is one of the reasons I hate debating Progressives...
Disagree with rampant abortion? YOU'RE A FUCKING WOMAN-HATING PRICK!
Agree with gay marriage, but not gay couples adopting? WELL YOU'RE STILL AN ANTI-GAY BIGOT!
Disagree with the president's policies because they've led us down a path of increasingly little return? RACIST!
And if I say my beliefs are complicated and not cut from the mold? YOU THINK EVERYONE ELSE'S BELIEFS ARE SIMPLE, YOU'RE UNFAIR!
And who said I was merely Christian?
Oh, and as for what you said at the end, that's exactly right. And I am no blind believer. Read between the lines.
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I'll leave you alone. But surely you don't really expect me to just leave this subject alone? If you do, you are going to be disappointed in me; probably right up there with the rest of my god-fearing family.
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I don't fear God. Any more than I fear death. It's just a natural condition of the world that comes with life.
Unlike death though, I love God and rather than getting on my hands and knees and embarrassing the crap out of Him before saying 'Hey God, I know you gave me life, free will and a world on which to live, but if you could do this little thing for meeee.... that'd be greeeeeat....' instead, I just smile at the end of the day (Even the shitty days) and say 'Thanks for today, God. Keep up the good work.'
If He does exist (Of this I'm certain), I'm sure he appreciates someone actually thanking him on a regular basis rather than asking him every night for something to happen and if He doesn't, then it's no skin off anyone's back.
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God knows all. God knew what would happen to each individual at the end of their life. He knew you'd be in heaven or hell the moment you were created. So he willingly allows people to be created daily that are going to hell.
God knew from the beginning Eve would eat fruit. That he'd have to flood the Earth. That he'd need to send Jesus to change the way sins were cleansed. That Abraham would kill his son if necessary. That Moses would succeed. All these things he knew... and yet he let it all play out. Why not just create humans flawed instead of already knowing Satan would cause Eve to eat the fruit? Why not just start the Earth in the post-flood era to avoid all of the meaningless shit? And you should fear "god" because your good book, that bible, tells you to.
Before ranting about why you love god, why don't you start asking yourself the hard questions. If god knew everyone in India who worships Vishnu was going to hell, why does he let them be born into this world? If he knows someone will become a horrific killer and is already damned to hell, why allow their creation? If god can predict evil and does nothing to prevent it, then he is not wholly good. Because if it were you or I, we'd prevent it...meaning our moral compass is higher functioning (impossible for an all good being). And if god does not know everything, then he isn't all knowing. If he cannot do anything to stop the events but knows, then he isn't all powerful... so he's no god.
"Great job today god, keep it up". Go into the deeper parts of the internet and escape your suburban home. You'll see images of kids dying, people torn to shreds, infants starving, and I think you'll refine your statement to, "Good job today god, in my perfect suburban home". The world is dark, and evil, and simply cannot contain a pure, good, all powerful being. It's an impossibility. And if he knew all, it makes it even more ridiculous.
Go do some research. The bible is full of hate, bigotry, sexism, and genocide. It is skin off everyone's back to ignore religions repercussions. People die everyday due to "gods will". People are stoned, starved, tortured... wars end lives, countries, civilizations...all in the name of god.
No skin off anyone's back. So...so fucking ignorant. You're an awful human being if you think religion does more good than bad. A logical mind sees the falsities in god and religion. Stop believing in fairy tales.
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Right. In spite of my gentle, charitable nature... in spite of the fact that I have helped saved young lives... in spite of my affinity for animals and my appreciation of the natural world... in spite of my loving heart...
... I am somehow an awful person because I have faith.
Yeah, um... I think it's nap-time back at kindergarten, dude.
Also, I was raised on a ranch and presently live out in the boonies. Seriously, I look out my window and its miles of trees. And I've lived in Los Angeles in a neighborhood that had a weekly death toll. I've seen the bad stuff.
And yanno what?
That's on mankind, dude. Not on God. There's a thunderclap for every facepalm God's had on account of watching his children rip eachother to shreds.
So make up your mind already. Either God exists and you want to place all the blame at His feet, or He doesn't exist and it doesn't matter what some rube on the internet thinks.
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Yes, focus on the last sentence.
The typical christian way, right? I do good in the name of god, so it justifies all of the horrific things caused by religion. I'm not saying your god causes anything, nor to blame the god itself.
I am saying god is "all knowing". So he knew what religion would do when left unsupervised. He knew the lives would be lost, the horrors of man, and instead of handing us 1 singularity...1 book to follow...he handed us a book created 50 years after Christ "died", and then decided it would be best to not keep it pure. To let people change it, and turn it into a thousand versions.
So in your fairy tale world, your god created 1 book to follow...then allowed it to be turned into a hundred versions...one of which is the right way into heaven. So basically, here is a 500 chamber revolver. Here are 500 religions. Go ahead and pick one. I know which is the right one, but you're selecting Yahweh, Buddha, Moses, Vishnu, etc... so sorry... you're doomed.
Instead of giving us one solid religion, I'm going to allow thousands to exist, and for people to pick up this 500 chamber revolver with 499 bullets and say, best of luck.
So god knew exactly what would happen. From moment one. He knows all. He knows I am going to hell. He knew about the flood, adam/eve's outcome, and everything else. But he let it all play out that way.
He even KNEW that his OWN old testament would not work out, and he'd have to sacrifice his son...
Let me explain this again, kid.
Your god knew it's old testament would be invalid within 2 thousand years. It created it and forced it's archaic rules upon people anyways. Knowing in 1-2K years it would to (within the time period), flood this shit, recreate it, separate people into different races, and then create and send his son in a very over dramatic fashion to die on a piece of wood...when he could have A) Made the world this way from the start or, B) at least skip all of that old testament crap.
Then what, he all of a sudden stopped speaking aloud to groups, moving seas, etc when video was invented? Convenience!
Man, so many flaws and you pick one stupid sentence that you think you can defend against. The god you believe in sure is stupid. And I can tell you this...I guarantee I've studied the bible more than you as an atheist. I make it my job to know the inconsistencies, falsities, and conundrums of the bible. Ask yourself the important questions.
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Sure is sad when an atheist spends most of his time talking about God. Even sadder than an atheist's funeral. All dressed up and nowhere to go...
How about you go do what is supposedly the atheist specialty and take on science? You know, something constructive?
If a gardener can teach himself how to be a viral diagnostician, I'm sure a lollygag like yourself can learn something useful to maybe improve agricultural trends, build a better mousetrap, make a reality TV show that doesn't suck the root... you know...
But if you think you're changing the world by sitting on your ass and trying to pick apart a flawed book written by flawed men trying to comprehend things occurring well beyond their reckoning, then take it from me, better men than you have tried.
So go and add something positive to the world before your lazy ass gets killed by the laws of random probability.
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Man, if you knew who I was, you'd feel pretty silly about that "lazy ass" comment...so I'm going to just ignore that part. I put more good and work into this world in a day than you do in a year, guarantee.
Have a good life enjoying your ignorance, because you ignore question after question. Flaw after flaw. Impossibility after impossibility.
All I need to know, to know I'm right, is the simple fact that god tried over and over again. That's "fact" to you. Yet he has infinite knowledge of all, meaning it was impossible for him to ever need to try more than once.
Sitting on my ass, picking apart a flawed book is wasting my time. But studying this book in order to DEFEND it's bigotry, sexism, sadism, genocide, etc... makes you a scholar.
As I said before, 499 bullets. Billions of people just shoveled off to hell over the centuries, and god doesn't bat an eye. If I sent my kids into a library containing 100 books, and only 1 of them cured their disease by touching it, pretty sure I'd give a bit better hints as to which book that was rather than sitting back and letting it all be up to chance. And if I knew ahead of time (infinite knowledge) that all of my kids would die over and over and over for all eternity (hell) before they were born, I'd have the mercy to never pro-create and force them into that destiny.
Basically, it all boils down to a very simplified point.
If one can predict evil, and one chooses to do nothing, that makes you evil.
If one cannot predict evil, so one cannot choose to do anything to prevent it, then you're not a god.
And a very basic observation.
If one can foresee the absolute future, then there is never any need fo "do-overs". Adam / Eve, flood, sacrificing your son, etc.
I'd rather rely on scientific proof than a fairy tale. If you're life is so lonely, so dull, and so meaningless that you simply have to look forward to the afterlife as your only means of satisfaction in existing...then you're the one people should feel sorry for here. All dressed up and no where to go? I have somewhere to go. To be recycled back into the absolute universe, to be transformed into hundreds of new matters, to go back to where I came from. My life is fulfilling, and fantastic, and every day I thank myself for it. I thank my hard work, my determination, and my ability to adapt. Not anyone else's. And I use those skills I've learned, I've developed, I've perfected to benefit others...to donate my money, time, and efforts. And to give people real help, not false hope.
You on the other hand, thank a now silent god for all things he's done for you.
And you ignore all of the things he had to have "do-overs" on, even though he knew from the start he'd have to.
Your thanks to your god for your life, is selfish.
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If I knew who you were...?
Heh... sure thing boss. Whatever you say.
*Snrk*
For someone who boasts that he's read the Bible and spent a lot of time analyzing it for the purpose of tearing it down, you sure don't read between the lines much, do you?
You're the selfish one, really. You're expecting God to solve all the problems of the world. Why do you think he put us here? After Saddam and Gomorrah, he promised that if ever a good person exist in a city, it would be spared. The rainbow at the end of the flood was his pact never again to send an all-cleansing flood.
We're here because he's lonely.
Fellow creators, the Creator seeks. Not to surround himself with automatons. We're here to learn the holiest of arts. The art of creation. The art of godding. God loves us, but its tough love.
Look at it through cosmic eyes... OUr problems are part of the learning mechanism.
He can't just give us the experience. We have to earn it.
We have to earn the point in which we will no longer war, or it will be meaningless. We still need that predator instinct in order to survive in the natural world.
What strikes me as odd here is that you seem less convinced that God doesn't exist and more convinced that he's a jerk.
So what's it going to be? Are you anti-God or anti-loving God? Because this seems less like an atheist talking to me and more like someone with a bone to pick with the big guy because things didn't go the way you wanted them to.
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Actually, you would.
/sigh
Onto the important topics...
Time to reply to each of these copy/paste replies.
1) I don't expect god to solve anything. I don't believe in any spiritual afterlife form or god. My point is not, "God should make the world perfect!". It is, "If god exists, then he knows all. If he knows all, he knows that the consequences of allowing his bible to be translated wrongly into hundreds of versions, and to base ones salvation off of the area of the world in which they're born, are both very horrifically terrifying things". If I told you I was going to send you to heaven or hell, but it was all based off of pure luck... where you're born, how you're raised, etc... and I am in heaven telling you that I already KNOW if you're going to heaven or hell, but I'm not going to tell you nor spare you if I know you're going to hell...that is sadistic as one can get.
2) Why would an all knowing being, who knew he'd have to flood the Earth, and who just committed genocide, even have to do that? If he knew the world was going to be that awful, from the start, why not start all of creation AT Noah and go from there? WHY even put the tree of knowledge in the garden since he KNEW they'd eat it? You're telling me that if I were to drown a bag of kittens, terrifying the rest of them... then cuddle them and tell them, "I am a kind and loving owner. I will show you this sign as a promise that I'll never again KILL you all for things I KNEW from the START of creation you'd do". That's like sitting a steak in front of a wild dog, then killing it after saying, "If you eat this. I'll kill you". God knew his words would go unheard, because he knows all. So he knew telling people to live right was lost on them until after the flood. It makes no sense. Factual, makes zero, logical, rational, sense.
3) God is perfect. He doesn't get lonely. In heaven there is no sadness, no loneliness, no sin, etc...right? (First of all, explain Lucifer being jealous if in heaven sin is impossible. Woosh. Right off the bat the bible with a contradiction). So you're telling me that if I were to have 3 children...because I was lonely...but I was told ahead of time by god, "These 3 children of yours shall have great, long, happy lives. But...when they are close to death they will die. And then I will torment them for ever. Every day, for eternity. Two of them, that is. One shall live an afterlife of bliss. Now they are all good people, they all love, do charity, and are happy... but only one of them chooses the right religion. The other 2 choose peaceful, good, wholesome religions but since they're wrong, they lose". Now... my choices are to have all 3, or none at all. Am I a monster and choose to have 3 children, 2 of whom will be tormented for eternity? Or do I choose to deal with loneliness in exchange for knowing I am not damming 2 souls to an infinite darkness filled with pain. These questions aren't hard to answer, religious people just don't want to answer them.
4) We have to earn experience? Why? He knows exactly what experiences we all have. He knows forever. He knows them all, right? So he knows exactly what experiences will turn some people into monsters, along with the experiences that save people. He knows what experiences turn a person into a serial killer, and the experiences that mold a man into a great leader. But what you're telling me is a god that knows all of this, is fine with chance?
5) There it is! The end all argument for all christians. You don't believe in science, logic, experimentation, theories, proof, evidence, and the fact that all major religions have died off over centuries while science remains constant... nono...you HATE god. Man, this argument is just always there for some reason. I am anti-theist. I think religion is the cause for the most hatred, war, genocide, and the most vial things mankind has done. Do I give it credit for doing some good? Sure. Feed the homeless, give food to those who don't have it, great. But do I think religion needs to exist for these things to be done? No. There are plenty of...charitable companies 
What annoys me, are self righteous religious people who put their rose tinted glasses on and blind themselves from all the harm, pain, war, etc that I see religion cause on a weekly basis. And all I can think to myself is... without religion there would be so fewer wars. So fewer children dead in the streets. So fewer countries torn apart. So fewer lives lost in our history books... all because people choose to believe in something imaginary because they need some false sense of hope that this fucked up, cruel, dishonest, and unfair world isn't the end all. For those who cannot accept reality, and have to look past this awful world to find any solace, I pity you. And I pity that you all think this version of "god" deserves worship. That's the frightening part, and the reason this world continues to hate so much.
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However you want to console yourself. Besides, I never said I was blind to the harsh reality.
Sorry you felt so insecure about all of this that you went on a long rant.
But if you think religion is to blame for human miseries, then you know nothing of human nature. The wicked will find any justification for their cruelty.
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You just love to go off on tangents that add no value to the conversation.
Consoling myself? I find that pretty unfounded. Where did you even pick up consoling myself? My life is fantastic.
Insecure? With despising what religion has done to people's lives? Dead children? Terrorist attacks? I'm insecure? Or wanting better for this planet?
And rant? This was pretty civil for a religious debate.
You have a lot of growing up to do.
I never said once, not one time, the world would be perfect without religion.
But removing things like the crusades, most terrorist attacks, stoning, beheading, holy wars, the holocaust, etc which were all driven by religion and over religious men justifying their actions through religion?
Yes, I'd take that world over this one any day. And I'm relatively certain real history books would be a lot easier to handle.
Man will always find ways to be evil, you're right. We'll always find ways to justify our evil actions.
I just stand firm that it is man who is evil and good, and not base it off the blessings of god, or the influence of a devil.
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Dude, remove the religious aspects from the crusades and terrorist attacks, and you're left with purely human reasons. Resources, territory and so on.
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Wow. I can't even....wow.
Remove the religious aspects from....the crusades...the fucking crusades...
I'm finished speaking to you. You obviously need to pick up some text books.
I thought at first you'd make for a decent debate, this whole thing has surely gone down hill.
Fighting is human nature. Resources are NEEDED to survive, territory is NEEDED to survive.
Killing to kill infidels, mass genocide to cleanse and take lands in the name of the lord, none of that is survival.
That is all fighting and killing for "righteous" causes. You're no historian, nor fortune teller. You have no idea
what would have happened during that time frame had religion not caused the initial push and helped cover up the results with excuses.
But you cannot tell me that religion hasn't been the cause for thousands upon thousands of preventable deaths.
You certainly never hear, "Logical scientist kills thousands", or "Angry atheist poisons water supply"
Religion is the cause for a lot of hatred and death in this world. Nearly a thousand years ago it was christianity. Now it's Islam.
Hopefully in another thousand years, all people will see how silly all religion is and write it off as an ignorant part of mankinds history.
The more science disproves, the more we move away from religion anyways. it's a fight that will slowly phase religion into nothingness.
Go do some reading before you tell me this wouldn't have changed quite a bit if religion wasn't involved.
Without religion there's no holy land, no invading, no genocide, etc. You cannot claim it doesn't matter that it was motivated by religion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Just, go read a book. Not the bible. Please. A real, factual, book.Educate yourself.
Although, last time you did claim reading and analyzing was lazy...and a waste of time...so I pretty much know your stance on intelligence and bettering oneself.
"hey know what man...if um..I bet if there were like...20 great wars and 10 of them were religious based even if you take religion out of it 20 greats wars would totally exist"
That's what your argument sounds like. Let's remove the religious aspect from every religiously fueled massacre, battle, war, etc... and it would have mostly, maybe wholly, taken place without religion.
You are lovin' those rose tinted glasses and that "jesus loves me" bumper sticker. Keep on enjoying YOUR life. I'll be trying to make the less fortunate a bit safer each day.
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You know nothing about me. I'm not even completely Christian.
And yes, the crusades were not entirely religious. It began with a king stirring up religious passions over territory.
Nature has no religions and there is killing over territory, resources and mating every single day.
Name any religious war and I'll name you a few evil, corrupt men at the top who called the shots for reasons having nothing to do with the religion in which they claimed to have vested faith in.
But be that as it may, religions do not offer me anything. So I follow my own spirituality.
Still, it anoys me when fanatical zealots like you chase after it and lay all miseries of the world at the feet of religion. You're seeking a silver bullet answer for the wrong reason, idiot.
If the whole world turned atheist, we'd still find reasons to kill eachother.
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I watched CultOfDusty's condensed version and enjoyed that one instead.
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"If he doesn't prove the existence of God his teacher will fail him because he refused to sign papers disowning God."
I could not stop laughing.
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What's bad is that I don't know whether to laugh or cry
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I swear to god, I saw the trailer to that movie. I lost like... 500 braincells.
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He got saaaaaaved.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZZOlf…
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This movie I swear. And Omfg. XD
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As did I. As it was fading to black I instinctively said out loud, "Jesus Fucking Christ on a Cracker."
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First off, it was stupid to the max. Like, obviously they wanna make all the atheist look like complete assholes. That's obvious. Two, when the professor said, "According to philosophy, god doesn't exist." Bullshit, philosophy doesn't prove that god doesn't exist. It's called science, evidence and reasoning. Which some Christians don't understand how we come up with the conclusion that god doesn't exist. Three, when the Christian kid said that "By studying science, god does exist!" Well okay then, please, show me your sources. And god damn it, it better not be the bible.
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And god damn it, it better not be the bible. for some reason that sounded funny.
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