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Hm, I guess Bill O'Reily is really in for it then, because in his defense of Christianity in the public square, he said that "Christianity isn't a religion, it's a philosophy". Apparently, his fellow Christians don't agree
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I do that with my family.
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So, it's just more of the same bullshit Christians are indoctrinated with... lovely. :/
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Uh huh... That's what my family members tried to pull on me.
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Same here. I was raised a fundamentalist Christian in Texas. I went to Bible College and became an atheist.
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I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. How fundamentalist can you get? If you wanna see on a scale of how much of a fundamentalist you are, that would be it. I stopped when I was 12 and became an atheist.
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Its wholly ironic how atheists bitch and complain about Christians pushing their beliefs onto them when atheists do the same thing.
Christians voice their faith from a perspective of genuine concern for other peoples afterlife destination. (i.e. Heaven or Hell)
That being said, Why do Atheists want to make sure others do not believe in a higher power? Is it because they want to help Christians? If so,......How? Whats the motivation behind it? Or is it because Atheists enjoy being condescending?
If Atheism is your thing......cool.......Just don't be a prick about it.
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Atheists don't try to oppress certain groups and take away their rights. Atheists don't try to fuck with women's reproductive rights. Atheists aren't the ones trying to undermine science education. The list goes on and on. You've made a huge false equivlance fallacy.
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Old post, but just wanted to say I love it! Keep rockin' lol
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Atheists most likely care about the truth, care about why people believe irrationally when the evidence tells otherwise. My point is, atheism has no method, no dogma to be pushed upon. The only time I've seen beliefs pushed upon is when people troll "haha you believe in God" or some jazz like that. Asking people why they believe is a legitimate concern and quite frankly people never have a good answer because there is none.
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Atheism causes no harm.
Christianity alone has caused the deaths of millions.
Crusades, stoning, invasions, wars, the list goes on...
That's why.
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Actually, I find it equally ironic that Christians are always complaining that they should be able to proclaim God everywhere, but don't want atheists ever talking about the opposing viewpoint.
In a free society, everyone has the right to believe what they like, and an equal right to openly talk about what they don't like. That goes for all sides.
Also, I don't think it's fair to say that genuine concern is only present on the Christian side. When a super-religious group, let's take certain Christians groups for example, force children in school to pray to Jesus or to believe in God as a Creator, it is stomping on the rights of both non-believers and believers of other faiths, like Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Should we not also be "genuinely concerned" for the minority population whose rights are being abused?
Lastly, if the Westboro Baptist Church can be such open pricks, why not anyone else? Ideally, nobody would be pricks about anything. But the freedom of expression allows it, and all sides sadly succumb to it. Let's not point fingers at one side only. If Christians are allowed to be openly condescending towards "heathens" and non-believers (and they are), then it's only fair that others get to be condescending towards Christians. Hopefully, some day, nobody will have to act that way. But again, let's not pretend that only side is doing it. And also, let's not pretend that "faith" gives anyone a free pass to be condescending, just because they feel their condescending lecture is going to somehow help others in some unproven afterlife. Saying that natural disasters are caused by gays and non-believers, and that they will burn in hell forever doesn't help anyone. And if the person saying that isn't a condescending prick, I don't know what is.
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Because Christianity is a negative force in the world.
Because Christianity encourages bigotry and willful ignorance.
Because Christianity is responsible for a great number of deaths and atrocities throughout history?
Because it is untrue, and yet Christians want their religion taught in schools?
In other words, because atheists see Christianity as a barrier to positive change in the world.
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Old post (2 years ago) but I also always say that we don't knock on doors telling people what to think
Keep being awesome!
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Yes some sects of Christianity has been involved in deaths and atrocities.......But then so have the Nazi's. But are you going to chastise present-day German's for what their government did?
YOU think it is untrue. Because YOU think it is untrue we should do away with it altogether? Thats a load of shit! Believe what you want ............but don't shit on other peoples beliefs!
Atheists see Christianity as a scapegoat for all of their problems. Imagined or real.
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You do realize that the Nazi party was Christian, right?
I know it is untrue, it's a book that claims that talking snakes and talking burning bushes are real; and that virgin births and walking on water are possible. That alone should clue you in that it is fiction. The Bible is a load of shit.
Atheists don't see Christianity as a scapegoat for all of their problems, but they do pin the blame on Christianity for the problems it causes and has caused in the world.
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Good luck with your beliefs.
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I don't need luck when I have evidence.
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Ok......good luck with that.......and you have my pity.
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Last word.......HA......I got it.
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you do realize that the nazi party wasn't Christian, right?. if not you need to look it up.
there may have been a lot of Christians who ended up enlisting and joining but mostly it was because when that crap was going down it was pretty much join up or lose your job and well being. everyone was pretty much forced to join the Nazi party just to keep some semblance of their lives and well being intact.
weren't Atheists supposed to be all about reason? if a teaching says don't do this and a person says "we should do this in the teaching's name" are the teachings really at fault? if so, how?
Atheists may not see Christianity as a scapegoat for all their problems but plenty of the loud mouthed ones certainly like blaming things that were obviously against it's teaching but somehow against all reason were being done "because Christianity."
that whole "because Christianity" happened likely because someone was just warping things to justify what they wanted to do and to get others on the bandwagon but instead of blaming the people responsible for that it seems that some atheists just want to blame Christianity... making it a scapegoat for a lot of bad things that happened in the past.
since surely no atheist is going to be willfully ignorant then likely the scapegoating is just to justify their hate of Christianity. it's a bit ironic because it's the same kind of warping that gets used in order to do things "because Christianity."
also,
you could call anything a negative force if you only look at the bad things that happen around it while ignoring the good things.
if Christianity encourages bigotry and willful ignorance (it doesn't by the way) and you're not a Christian then what encouraged your bigotry (against it) along with your ignorance and willful disregard for reason that caused you to come up with stupid claims like "the Nazi party was Christian" and "Christianity is responsible for a great number of deaths and atrocities throughout history."
you're free to believe or not. it's your choice. though you certainly do like to make blanket statements and assumptions about what all of them want for not being one. i am a Christian but i don't care if it's taught in schools or not. that said, it would probably be a good thing for it to be learned about in schools along with other religions in order to dispel a lot of ignorance all around.
hate (what you're spreading) is the greatest barrier to positive change in the world... if you want a positive change in the world then learn to coexist with some understanding and learn to work well with people who see things differently than you rather than simply bashing what you don't agree with.
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Actually, the Nazi party was Christian - you really need to look it up. How else do you explain "Gott Mitt Uns" (God with us) on their belt buckles, Hitler being a devout Catholic, the laundering of Nazi money through the Vatican bank, the many prominent Catholic leaders of the Third Reich acted their standing as "good Catholics" was never publicly challenged by their church's leaders until defeat or death had denied these Nazi Catholics the power to do much harm, the population of Germany at the time was overwhelmingly Christian, the number of Catholics and/or Lutherans who helped Hitler by rating out their neighbors, sharing their church records to help the Nazis distinguish Christians from Jews, the protection of Nazi leaders by Catholic leadership...
Need I go on? Seriously? People did it willingly and to deny this fact is to refuse to learn the lessons of history, further enabling Christianity to commit such atrocities again! There is plenty of justification in the Bible for the actions of the Nazi party, have you not read the Bible? Christianity is at fault for the Holocaust because of it's principles. This is further proven by it's targets, which include Jews, homosexuals and other "undesirables"... groups hated by other Christian identity groups, even today.
And yes, Christianity does encourage willful ignorance and bigotry. Take a look at the how homosexuals are denied equal rights today, how the slave trade was justified (fun fact: the first slave ship to the new World was "the Good Ship Jesus"), the Inquisition and the Crusades. It's not a scapegoat when the blame is rightly placed upon it!
The "good things" about Christianity... what good things? What good things could justify support of the Holocaust, the slave trade, brainwashing children with lies, the crusades, the Inquisition, the KKK, the persecution of homosexuals and the Magdalen laundries?
I'm not making assumptions, but stating historically verified facts. I'm not spreading hate, I'm spreading the truth. It is Christians interested in spreading hate. I don't agree with it because it has been a catalyst for great evil and it should be done away with.
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hitler wasn't a christian or a devout catholic just because his mother was or because he gave lip service to rally support for the nazi party while apparently not caring in the slightest while his close advisers and secretary said things to the contrary. if the population of germany is overwhelmingly christian and you're going to rise to power you don't do it by alienating a large group of the population. they sent the christians who disagreed with what he was doing to concentration camps too in order to put a stop to and scare a stop to any open disagreement with what was going on. at the time the church was more powerful and widespread so it would have been a long and hard fought battle to gain support but there's evidence that christianity was on the nazi's list of things to cross off. he was evil for sure but not stupid so he picked battles he thought he could win and publicly speaking out against the church at the time would have caused dissension in the ranks, destroyed a lot of the groundwork he had laid to rise to power, or generally just caused him to be unable to gain any traction in the first place. also, i've read somewhere that while the general populace of germany at the time may have identified as catholic that actual practice and church attendance, regardless of what people said they were, was dropping or at a low.
i have read the bible and no i haven't seen any justification at all in it for the actions of the nazi party. quite the opposite in fact because the bible starts with the Torah, the old testament is pretty much all about Jews, and NEWSFLASH! JESUS WAS A JEW!
i also feel the need to point out that just because someone is homophobic doesn't mean they're christian and just because someone is a christian doesn't mean they're homophobic. there are even churches out there with gay ministers.
the slave trade wasn't justified by christianity and has been around for longer than christianity. what is written in the bible in the old and new testaments having to do with slavery are more because slavery has been a norm throughout most of human history and in most societies it was just a part of how that society worked... you know if you bother to look at that kind of thing. there are still societies today that allow slaves. it's not a good thing but it's the way things are. you also seem to be under the misconception that christianity justifies slavery but there were plenty of christians who disagreed with it. i believe i mentioned before about people warping things to justify what they want to do and that's what happened with the justification of the slave trade. i guess it's easier for you just to blame christianity rather than to admit to yourself that anyone who claims to be a christian isn't a mindless robot who purely follows what they claim to.
also, that ship wasn't built for slave trading it was originally just a german merchant ship who's name never changed.
brainwashing? is that what they're calling parents trying to raise their kids the way they think is right these days? or are you talking about something else? in the end christian doctrine is that everyone makes their own choice.
yea i dunno what was up with the crusades. i never saw anything in the bible in any translation that suggested that we should try to take over Jerusalem.
dunno much about the inquisition. the kkk? really? i know they claim to be christian but they're more about white supremacy than religion. they've been denounced by every christian denomination i know of. even if you consider them a christian group they'd be extremists. extremists are obviously great choices to pick as a representation of something you don't want people to like. i guess you're going to tell me that all Muslims are terrorists next?
who said anything about justifying bad things? why should chistianity justify things that you're wrongfully blaming it for?
i'll ask again. if a teaching says don't do this and a person says "we should do this in the teaching's name" are the teachings really at fault? if so, how?
allow me to also paraphrase a common but likely wrongly attributed quote by Gandhi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
i'm just saying you're blaming Christianity as a whole for things that were wrongly done by individuals and organizations (churches) run by people who aren't perfect. sometimes desires get the better of people and they throw what they should do out the window or look for a way to justify what they want to do.
as far as good things there have been tons of charities and organizations created for disaster relief because someone felt it was their calling to do so because of their faith, Samaritan's Purse, king's ranch/hannah home, goodwill, and habitat for humanity to name a few. places like the jimmy hale mission also exist for that reason, churches were the ones building schools in the third world where there wouldn't have been schools otherwise. then again by your reasoning i guess the things these people did and started because of their faith don't mean anything because of what other people and organizations who claimed to have the same faith did badly regardless of if what bad they did was actually faith inspired?
you are spreading hate and intolerance and saying Christianity should be done away with is the same kind of ridiculous BS that you probably imagine all Christians saying about homosexuals. i also feel the need to say again that not all christians are homophobes and not all homophobes are christians.
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Actually, Hitler was a devout Roman Catholic. There is no evidence to assert that Hitler was not Christian and plenty of evidence to show that he was.
Actually, the slave trade was justified by Christianity.If it's not a good thing, then why does your Bible tell you how hard you can beat your slaves? Why does it tell slaves to be obedient to their masters? Why does it create a way for you to sell your daughter into slavery?
No, that's what I call teaching your kids something so obviously untrue - Christianity. The thing is that if you are lied to and told that the Bible is true and that you need to take it on faith, and that believing things with no evidence is a virtue... you're making it impossible for that to be a choice for children. Add to the fact that you are threatening them with eternal torture if they do not believe, so that is duress, further making it not a choice.
The KKK is a Christian organization and just because other Christians no longer want to be associated with them does not deny the fact that they are still a Christian organization.
I'm not wrongfully blaming Christianity for anything - you're denying Christianity's responsibility for the evil it wreaks upon our world. Why do you refuse to acknowledge the wrongs of Christianity? The teachings are at fault when they say you can do something - like killing people when they don't share your faith, slavery, misogyny, homophobia... those are all supported in the Bible! I'm not wrongfully blaming Christianity for the things it's done, the blame is placed rightly.
Those things can be replicated by purely secular means. Contrary to what you think, we don't need to lie to people and tell them there is a god to have people do good works! It's not faith, it's empathy that spurs people to do good works.
Actually, it is you who is spreading hatred and intolerance. Christianity should be done away with because of the evil it causes it inspires. You can deny it all you want, but Christianity and it's pig ignorant dogma does encourage homophobia.
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nah reading a lot about hitler and a lot of the things he said it really seems like he was just using whatever he thought would best allow him to control the populace and whip them into a frenzy for his own uses. i also have never actually seen him quote a scripture where he didn't twist it for his own uses somehow.
the parts you seem to be talking about are as i said before more about dealing with how things were in the society they lived in at the time. it was more saying this is a common part of life and IF you're going to have slaves then you should follow these rules. beating was very much a common punishment then and the rule was not to beat a slave to death. it tells slaves to be obedient to their masters because they'd likely have a better life that way and would likely gain favor with their master rather than as commonly would have happened otherwise they would have just been beaten for being disobedient. it didn't create a way to sell your daughter into slavery. that kind of thing was also common in that time period and society. what it did do was give ground rules so that she wouldn't end up abandoned on the street and left to starve as would be a likely result for a woman who was on the street with nothing in that day and age. i think you're picturing their society much too much like ours. things were very different then. also, just so you know what you're talking about was in the the torah (Jewish holy text/law book which ended up being the first five books of the bible) but you don't seem to be hating much on Jews for that.
funny, you as well as other people who have commented on this deviation would likely say that you ended up making the right choice there. after all apparently you were fundamentalist and even went to bible college and then decided to make your choice. if you're angry because you waited so late to actually make a choice rather than just being along for the ride then it's your own fault for not thinking for yourself before then.
as i said before even if you consider the kkk a christian organization they're definitely an extremist group and extremists are obviously going to be a great example of anything. so, no really?, are you going to tell me that all muslims are terrorists now?
you are wrongfully blaming christianity rather than people. i'm not refusing to acknowledge christianity's wrongs i'm just saying there are no wrongs.
i'm not denying that bad things have been done in the name of chistianity but i am saying that even if they were done in the name of chistianity i don't believe they were actually supported by christianity. if some asshole goes and blows up an abortion clinic and claims it was their duty as a christian i'd be sure they completely and utterly misinterpreted, twisted, or just threw out the parts they didn't feel like adhering to.
where in the bible does it support or say you can do those things?
i'm not saying that good things can't be done by purely secular means i mean heck i've had atheist friends who are fantastic and giving people.
i'm just saying you can't discount the good things people have done because the people who did it felt it was their calling by their faith to do what they can to help others.
what someone truely believes affects how they think and act and the motivation behind these things for these people was faith based and your assertion otherwise to support your view that christianity only does bad in the world is essentially just blinding you to information to the contrary.
i'm not spreading hate or intolerance. when in this conversation have i hated on or been intolerant to anyone? i'm just presenting my own viewpoint here the same way you're presenting yours... except i'm not over here saying we should get rid of anything just because i have a different view of it than you do. well... if i'm saying to get rid of anything it's to get rid of hate.
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Science and Fact Vs. Religion is always entertaining.
Well said.
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