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sifistoneage [2020-05-09 02:40:57 +0000 UTC]
Says the celebrity with best selling books
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pitnerd In reply to sifistoneage [2020-05-09 14:13:49 +0000 UTC]
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ArtOfMattEldritch [2014-07-19 17:31:27 +0000 UTC]
I've been thinking of getting his books, "End of Faith" and "Letters to a Christian Nation" and Christopher Hitchen's "God is Not Great", are they any good?
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pitnerd In reply to ArtOfMattEldritch [2014-07-19 18:41:04 +0000 UTC]
I have each of those sitting on my bookshelf, so I can lend them to friends, or re-read them myself. They are FANTASTIC!!!
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AmericanDreaming [2014-07-15 02:57:25 +0000 UTC]
I love the stylization. Very true quote as well.
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pitnerd In reply to AmericanDreaming [2014-07-15 15:35:45 +0000 UTC]
Always appreciated!!!
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PyrrhusiVictoria [2014-07-15 01:49:13 +0000 UTC]
Ain't this the truth. I don't doubt that there have been plenty of high-levelΒ politicians who were either atheist, or deist, or something less then full-on monotheist, but they always have to end up ambiguously dancing around the topic. If someone had the balls to admit they were atheist and believed in empirical science, they'd have my vote in blink of an eye.
This Gallup poll shows just how dreadful the atheist label is in politics: www.gallup.com/poll/155285/athβ¦
80% of the people would vote for a Mormon for president, almost 70% for gay or lesbian, 60% for a Muslim, but barely half would vote for an atheist (if you're gay AND atheist, don't quit your day job).
On the cup-half-full side, that 54% is way up from just 18% in 1958.
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pitnerd In reply to PyrrhusiVictoria [2014-07-15 15:36:56 +0000 UTC]
Nice citation! And thanks for commenting!
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Ghoti657 In reply to PyrrhusiVictoria [2014-07-15 02:25:37 +0000 UTC]
Lots of people involved in the Revolutionary War were openly Deist, like Tom Paine.Β
I am pretty sure lots of people would vote for a Deist, or a Buddhist or some non Abrahamic religion. Even Islam is an Abrahamic religion so that's not why, it is because people associate them with terrorism, and people associate Atheism with communism, the USSR, North Korea, Cuba, angry internet Atheists etc
I am sure people wouldn't have a problem with a Hindu president because Hindus haven't fucked with the US ever.
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PyrrhusiVictoria In reply to Ghoti657 [2014-07-15 04:08:06 +0000 UTC]
Just playing devil's advocate here, but Paine never held elected office. His popularity floated up and down during different episodes of his life, and while he was definitely ahead of his time on universal suffrage, progressive taxation, and minimum wage, he could also be kind of a dick, so that didn't help either. When he finally wrote Age of Reason, it persuaded some people to get into deism in a sort of a mini-fad fashion, but there were lots more people that he ended up alienating because of his open ridicule of religion. While religion wouldn't surge in the U.S. to its peak until the 1800s evangelical revival period, people of Paine's day were still overwhelmingly religious.
And yes, it's true that people in the U.S. are very wary of Islam because of it's extremist elements, I get the feeling that Americans just aren't comfortable with non-Christians in position of power. Hell, even Mitt Romney had to overcome the public fear that he wasn't quite Christian, and the church of latter day saints is in fact a Christian sect (albeit not entirely mainstream according to most Christians here).
And OMG, there are angry people on the internet!?Β Β
Lastly, I agree that people in the U.S. aren't as antagonistic to Hinduism as they are to Islam, but the sad thing is that I'm willing to bet a good percentage can't even really tell the difference. After 9/11, there were several incidents of Indian Sikhs and Hindus being attacked because the attackers thought they were Muslims...Β
Also, while the U.S. generally has great relations with India now, that wasn't always the case. The reason the U.S. initially backed Pakistan for decades was that India entered intoΒ trade agreements with the USSR during the cold war, and the U.S. feared that India was becoming their ally. There was a lot of tension between the U.S. and India for most of the 70s andΒ 80s, especially after India became a nuclear country.
That said though, I get the feeling the younger generation doesn't really care as much about any of this stuff, and once the older generation starts dying off, I suspect it'll be pretty easy for people of any belief to get elected.
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Crimson-Serenity In reply to PyrrhusiVictoria [2014-07-22 01:53:27 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure this counts as being antagonistic toward Hindus: youtu.be/4XiizB9Lkqk
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Ghoti657 In reply to PyrrhusiVictoria [2014-07-15 04:15:43 +0000 UTC]
I still... I dunno I don't think our generation would elect a Muslim. There is also a lot of antisemitism in the younger generation, more than I have noticed among older people and a lot of conspiracy theorists in our generation who blame Jews for things like 911.
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CorSecAgent [2014-07-14 22:26:52 +0000 UTC]
Today class, we're going to tackle Sci-Fi Poster Awesomeness 101...
Seriously dude, my mind goes Star Trek everytime I look at this...
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pitnerd In reply to CorSecAgent [2014-07-14 22:51:49 +0000 UTC]
Then my job here is done.
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