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Bungie Weekly Mail Sack 16, the challenge was to create a photorealistic depiction of the UNSC against the Galactic Imperial Empire. A lot of us drew up our submissions, others photoshopped theirs. This is my entry.Fun facts:
There are 42 layers in the Photoshop file. 4 of them aren't visible.
This took around 10 hours, that could be off by a lot though.
Originally Darth Vader was going to be fighting Master Chief but I didn't have time.
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The UNSC is better equipped for ground combat as their troops and walkers would fall to their weapons. However the Empire has tons of ships, and their Star Destroyers would dominate in space battles.
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Won't even last long. The strongest MAC guns are 100 gigatons, the average Turbolaser is 200 gigatons, according to the movie tech manuals released by Lucasfilm. Not to mention the fact that Stormtrooper armor is immune to bullets outside of armor-piercing ones.
The Empire would win most ground and space combats, and the Inquisitors/Emperor's Hands would neutralize any Spartan activity.
Lord Vader would lead the Imperial fleet to conquer Earth, and the UNSC would collapse.
However, since the Empire is fighting to conquer the UNSC and not eradicate them, the UNSC will fight less harshly, and would probably accept subservience in exchange for their lives, as well as protection from the Covenant Empire.
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Used DA to search "Galactic Empire" got this as the 4th entry. Not disappointed.
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Just send out a few UNSC Prowlers with NOVAs. Bye-bye Death Star, Imperial Fleets, Kuat Drive Yards, Imperial Center, Palpatine, Vader..
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If they had that kind of firepower, the humans would have won in Reach.
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Yeah, cause the UNSC would use NOVAs near their own worlds. Makes perfect sense.
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If the UNSC is backed to the wall, they might.
But considering that the Galactic Empire wants conquest, not extinction, most UNSC forces might just surrender and be spared or be made part of the Imperial forces.
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More logical outcome of the fate of the Death Star would be that the Empire underestimates the UNSC and uses a tractor beam on a frigate to bring it towards the station for capture. The crew not wanting to be captured and possibly tortured, blows the ship's engine core before the Storm Troopers break in. The resulting explosion melts the Death Star and anything near it.
No need for a NOVA Bomb.
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Hell, a Super MAC would suffice, their yield is over 1.17 teratons.
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Within canon, yeah a Super MAC would do it.
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Hell, a normal MAC can supposedly fire the slug up to .5c, to over 12 teratons!
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Say Pootisman90, how powerful do you personally think Star Destroyer Turbolasers are?
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Either 200 gigatons (but not overpowered because the UNSC SMACs upper limit is 12 teratons, and the petatons of Star Trek and Stargate), or it was an error in typing and it meant 200 milimeters (in action they don't bring a lot of destruction, but they do shoot fast, and there are many of them).
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....In canon. Not Legends.
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400 milimiters like an Iowa.
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Yeah, that is more reasonable.
Been in a debate with a guy on YT as of late. His replies are miles long. =w="
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What does he say? That the Empire can fight off the Orks? That battle droids are better soldiers than Grunts and Jackals? Because it's the other way around.
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It use to be Covenant VS Empire but has kinda devolved into a debate of firepower between an ISD and a Covenant CCS.
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Oi, did I hear Youtube debate? Would it be impolite of me to ask for allowance to join the fray?Β
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Actually, could you help me? I'm having two Star Wars fans trying to debate me at the same time and I don't have time to write two novel replies to them. -_-"
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My knowledge on Halo is very limited, but the use of Star Wars Canon will be of great use. Just send the Link :3
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Do you know Warhammar 40K?
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Compared to the master Nerds, a decent amount. I have made the Vader dude to pick that fight with me, so in such a case I might still be of great use.
My knowledge mostly goes to the Imperium. it is not that great, but great enough that I have been in plenty of debates with it.
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"My knowledge mostly goes to the Imperium."
Perfect. Because he thinks that even the Rebels could beat the Imperium. Which is heresy.
Here you go. Scroll down until you see my comment, you'll find him.
Please do take over my debate with Vader for me, as I have Esork replying to me now and don't have time for both of these Star Wars zealots. -_-
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Oh dear.... I will take care of Vader in a comment I made him make further above, you can take care of the other Zealot. Hehehehe..... Ooooh the Empre is in for a shock when they face something that could kill even a Jedi... And instead of 10.000 of them, we got 1 million of them.
There will go some time before I take him tho, I am making preparations.Β
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The other fan seems to be more aggressive.
All Vader needs to do is go on a 40k vs. Empire forum. I did. The Empire doesn't stand a chance.
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Oi Cyber! Yeh seen this?Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7-iKβ¦
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Unfortunately...
I am one of the very few Star Wars fans that doesn't like TCWs.
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But it got Samurai battledroids and Droidekas, those fellars are just irresistable.
But if you have a good knowledge on Star Wars and it didn't come from the Clone Wars, I assume you may have read some book or comics? Or a whole lotta Wiki pages.
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I am still gathering my information. He has made some major mistakes in the CIS vs Covenant debate which I am really gonna exploit as much as something can be exploited. And why if we follow his logic, it will only be even more of a stomp in favor of 40k. I'll throw a comment in your way when I have posted mine.
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My friend, don't bother with him. I've seen enough. I believe he is a fanboy. A zealot, the worst kind.
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Actually, the other fan seemed to slightly apologize, I shortly responded to him. I will probably still make a insanely long comment at some point, explaining why it is heavily one sided and also why if they decide to use starKillerΒ Base, the Galaxy Gun and the Sun Crusher from different Eras and Canons, I get a scenario where they can still spit out Space Marines, but it will be Primaris Marines instead, and a scenario where the EMperor and all the Primachs are still alive and they can still make titans and giant battleships.Β
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The CCS wins; the ISD may have more firepower, but the CCS has much better fighters (including the Banshees), and the plasma torpedoes are nothing to sneeze at (and that's not counting the Wave Motion Gun in their bellies).
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We would have to find out the damage ratio regarding HALO weapons and Star Wars weapons. Though here is my shot at it.
Marines have better aim then Stormtroopers, that is just fact because the movies are considered the highest source of canon for Star Wars. Marines always make their mark, well, unless something is in the way.
Marines have better armor then Stormtroopers, one shot form a blaster takes a ST out. Multiple shots from plasma rifles are needed to kill a Marine.
Ships, can't say. I mean, at all. Can a MAC cut through a Destroyer, can a Destroyer's shots get through the thick armor of a UNSC frigate? Don't know.
The Empire would beat the UNSC, but it would tax them, hard.
Now as for The Empire VS The Covenant, then The Covenant win.
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UNSC Ships have something that most star wars ships in general, but the empire in particular, don't. That is a ship killing knock out punch. The MAC guns is designed to kill ships. Star destroyers do not actually have any such weapon. Its the fundamental flaw of the empire that they build stuff to intimidate, but they don't build for efficiency. Their weapons are made to be used against smaller craft, such as the Tantive IV, not ships of similar size and armor capacity. They only are equipped with turbo laser and regular blasters. Also, they lack one very important thing: Kinetic Energy shields. By some stroke of madness no one in star wars considers ballistic or projectile weapons to be a threat anymore, which has led to a lack of protection from them as a result. So when a MAC gun gets fired at a star destroyer, the only thing stopping it is the armor, which is also hardened for blaster protection more than ballistics. So lets say you put an Imperial Star Destroyer vs a Pillar of Autumn Class Cruiser (Its a newer ship modeled after the Pillar of Autumn of legend). The MAC gun not only gives the Cruiser infinitely more range, since lasers will dissipate in space while something solid wouldn't stop moving until it hit something, but it also gives the cruiser the firepower to bypass the shields and kill the ship with a single well aimed shot, which, given the existence and brilliance of UNSC AI's, something the empire has never shown an affinity to, would most likely hit every single time.
And lets not even start on what a nuclear device would to when detonated in a fleet of star destroyers. 3 letters: E. M. P.
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Pardon me for budging in, but the Star Wars universe uses two types of shielding. (At least, I believe this applies to both the new canon and EU/Infinities.)
The Star Wars universe has two distinctive forms of shielding. Instead of having an all around type of shield, the Star Wars universe makes use of both ray and particle shielding. The former is for protecting against your typical blaster and plasma fire, and maybe some related hazardous material.
On the flip side, particle shielding is used to protect against collision with random space debris. Or the Force forbid it, slugthrowers. In other words protection against anything kinetic. At least that is what I have been able to find out on fan sites, plus the more respectable fanfiction (Cross over or not.) that is out there.
I.E: www.fanfiction.net/s/8663754/1β¦ (See Chapter 10 for reference.)
This said, I could be mistaken, as I am not too deeply entrenched in either fandom. (Though I do favor Halo more by some margin.)
Even so, it is food for thought, and some changes can be made for creative liberties if need be. (WITHIN reason of course.)
I would recommend both the Vanguard, Do Unto Others and Halo: Imperial Contact for some quality reading (At least, by fanfiction standards.) to provide some more insight on things. Hell, even some deconstruction if need be, considering the Star Wars galaxy has been stagnant for the path few millennia, with hardly any noticeable advancements in technology.
That said, it isn't a complete curbstomp for the UNSC/Covenant Separatists in these stories I have been able to discern.
Can't speak for the rest of the stories though.
Additional material worth a look over would be "Ancient Hounds of War" and "Noble's Eye" for additional reading material if you are interested. These other stories seem somewhat balanced.
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Just as a quick note of context, I am discussing this subject based off of stuff not fan made. I use the halo novels and games and the star wars movies, books, comics, and other various material. Fan fiction is not something I bring into this simply because fan fiction can easily be twisted around to make any character from any universe another universes version of Cthulhu. (Destroyer of all and what not)
My source on the subject of the lack of shielding on imperial ships against kinetic weapons comes from the Keldabe Class battleship of Mandalorian design, which, among other vessels they designed, was capable of putting rounds right through the shields of star destroyers. Not blasting through them and disabling them mind you, going straight through, as if the shields weren't even there. So, with that in mind, particle shields may exist on imperial craft, I have read books that indicate otherwise, comments on how one ship or another is pockmarked by debris in space.
If they do exist, I believe these are intended to be used against space debris and not direct kinetic weapon's fire based on a few things. 1: we've seen fighters crash directly into star ships and leave scorch marks and dents in them. Particle shields should prevent this if they exist. 2: The universe of star wars, especially around the timeline of the Galactic Empire, is generally lacking in the ballistic munitions department. They are considered outdated, low tech, and primitive. Blasters have become so mainstream that the though of someone carrying a .50 caliber handgun into a fight, much less a MAC gun on a battleship, is almost unthinkable. It's a common problem in futuristic settings where ballistic weapons have been put on the back burner developmentally. Eventually you get someone, Like the mandalorians, who realize that these weapons have a place, and can be a weakness when used against people who have never though of facing bullets instead of lasers.
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Holy crap dude... You are probably the most levelheaded and sane person when it comes to this match up. o.o
I've been cursed to have to withstand Star Wars zealots, it is nice to know there is somebody that knows both sides and can talk with no bias.
....CIS VS Covenant. Since your smart on this subject you can probably set my bombarded mind at ease about this.
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Covenant. Hands down. Battledroids of all varieties wouldn't stand up to the firepower of the covenant army, and Ship to ship combat would be just as one sided. Covenant capital ships have weapons that equate to a miniature deathstar beam (see Halo Reach for examples). Those weapons would burn through any energy shielding the CIS ships have and then the decks underneath.
Also, largest ship of the CIS was the Malevolence. Length, 4845 meters, a little over 3 miles long. Largest covenant ship: covenant supercarrier. Length: 28.96 Kilometers, almost 18 miles long. That is, by the way, almost double the length of the Executor class super star destroyer, and it has at least 7 energy projectors (the weapon used to burn through ships in one shot or glass cities.
And the covenant war machine as a whole was capable of fighting a war that once cost them over 300 vessels in one battle.
Now, because both sides have the capacity to field and construct large armies in very short time periods, I would say this would become a battle of attrition that the covenant would eventually win simply by having the better ships and ground troops overall.
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Dude, if only you had a YouTube account, as you see I'm debating about this very subject there. The guys whom I'm debating say the plasma the Covies use isn't REAL plasma (as using the Plasma Rifle as an example as it only does 3rd and 4th degree burns) and wouldn't even be able to get through the CIS's shields let alone armor. I even brought up the Energy Projectors, but he and his comrade dismissed it, instead they began harping on how Turbo Blasters, shielding and armor are stronger then anything the Covies have in terms of firepower and defense.
I brought up the Malevolence VS Long Night of Solace. He believed the Malevolence would E.M.P. the LNoS (despite the ridiculous size difference) then summon a fleet of 100 ships to destroy it. ...This though was clear BS as the CIS didn't bring in a fleet to help the Malevolence even when it was being destroyed, also if the E.M.P. was THAT strong why did they need to build a Death Star in the first place?
You know what you are talking about and can actually from the looks of it back it up. All I have is the blasted Wikis and basic HALO/Star Wars knowledge to work with... =w="
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Unfortunately debating with youtubers is a pass time I don't have the patience for. The internet has enough stupid people on it who'll argue without facts that I'd rather not see my email get bogged down in youtube response messages.
The biggest flaw in any star wars ships weapons (feel free to tell them this) is that they're optimal range is close quarters (see battle of coruscant. Thats why they have to fill the void between their ships with lasers. They can't guarantee they'll hit anything. Range on UNSC and covenant ships extends to the hundreds of kilometers, which is quite far in space. Range is an advantage that only the deathstar has shown any use of.Β
My advice though: don't argue with youtubers. They as a general rule are not going to back their arguments up with anything more than "this is better and you're wrong".
and before any wise guys hop on to post links to how well thought out your arguments are on this that or the other thing, even if you're arguments are well thought out, you are the exception that proves the rule, not the majority that contradicts it.
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True.
I did. They said it didn't matter. ...Yeeeaaaah I'm almost completely sold on them being fanboys on this debate. Considering on how they say Turbo Blasters are far stronger then MACs and that a ISD could tank MACs all day long it is pretty obvious. <=\
One of them actually did back up what they said regarding firepower between Plasma Rifles and Blasters. However, it brought up a problem with the Blaster that I have yet to get an answer for.
I only have one more question for you. Since you know both and don't seem to have bias, Scarab VS AT-AT, which would win in a stand off? I know the Scarab has mobility and size, but which hits harder and has better armor?
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Scarab. Mobility is everything, and its got an advantage over the AT AT that the ATTE even had. A gun that can face behind it.
But in terms of weapons and armor, a scarabs gun can be used to burn through metal and earth almost as an excavation unit. An AT AT lacks in mobility, weapons to cover the sides, and speed.
Now I will note that AT ATs do have fantastic range on their weapons, at least when used at maximum firepower given the distance of the shot in Empire to destroy the shield generator on hoth, but Scarabs aren't short in the range department and AT ATs won't be able to dodge their plasma beams.
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Holy crap! Finally people who aren't Star Wars Zealots!Β
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LOL You use that term as well? XD
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In all seriousness the Empire would win.
-Stormtroopers actualy have very good aim despite all the annoying jokes on the Internet.
-They have enormous numbers.
-Their ships and weapons have unbelievable firepower.
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At least the Jango Fett Stormtroopers have better aim, the other 90% are complete jokes...
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