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Looking at how the limitations and benefits of the dinosauroid's hand structure would affect tool use/construction.Related content
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Fascinating! I like how you found a believable workaround for the fact that these dinosaurids didn't have the ability to rotate their wrists like humans. Using 'hands' and bill together (and maybe their feet) is a clever idea. Just out of curiosity, what existing dinosaur species would be these little guys closest relative?
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In words, do you suppose that even without the ability to pronate their hands dinosauroids would be just as efficient at manipulating as we humans are? How so?
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They use their wrist, as they can't pronate like humans do. Hummingbirds can do with their elbow like humans do.
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Very interesting. Are their feet sometimes used in manipulation like some birds do? I can picture that it would also be quite useful.
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Oh very interesting idea. If Dino's could manipulate tools...then it would have been a whole different ball game. I also like how the beak would serve as the "main manipulator".
My only qualm is that Dino's (especially raptors and the like) were bread for a specific Enoch in the environment. Human's weren't an what started out to be a curse became a blessing. We became smarter, and more resourceful to compensate for or physical weakness and the gamble payed off... all i'm saying is I don't think a dino would need to manipulate stuff cause they do have physical features...or I'm wrong and they did!!!
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These aren't actual species. These are dinosaurids, or post-Cretaceous extinction dinosaur remnants (at least that's what I've gathered from the images).
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It's just that you referred to them as "Dinos", which is an extremely broad term if you are referring to all dinosaurs.
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I've been browsing through your dinosauroid-world galleries tonight, and I am absolutely loving the whole thing. You've really extrapolated a believable ecosystem as well as creating a very convincing birdlike intelligence. I feel like a tool for incorporating old-style humanoid dinos into my fiction aftr seeing how amazingly cool a more realistic approach can be.
This drawing in particular has caught my eye because of how you've taken the dinosauroid's arm structure into account so thoroughly. That makes their whole toolkit much more believeable to me, no glaring biomechanical problems lurking around the corner for a ravening pedant to seize upon. I've really been enjoying this!
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Well, thanks. The big problem I find with attempting accuracy is that even if nobody is calling you out for your biomechanical faux-pas, you're constantly questioning the viability and realism of your design. For example, the one dinosaur known to have opposable fingers - a tiny dromaeosaur called bambiraptor - used it's outer fingers to pinch together, which is markedly different then the bird's-foot style of hand I designed here. Knowing that, now I want to dive back in and start re-designing all this stuff...
But thanks. I hope to have some new dinosauroid material up in the next little while, maybe even touching on this specific piece.
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This is really cool!
Its not only well- drawn, but makles anyone interested in the development of civilizational species think what is needed for a evolution of such a species. As a wannabe scy-fy writer myself, this kind of stuff is like candy. Thank you so much for sharing these peices
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Fantastic! I love the attention to detail in this whole series.
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Very interesting. We think of the complexity involved in tool making as a human with our hands and thumbs, and learning how to use our hands more effectively could have been part of the process towards bigger brains-Need to make better tools, need to have more precise muscle control means more development in the brain. But having three "limbs" (counting the beak) to work with would require developing similar complexity, to the point that beak+hand+eye coordination would grow to be second nature to the aviosapiens. Though with three limbs it doesn't mean they'd be smarter than us in terms of dexterity, it just means they'd have a slightly different physical approach to interacting with the world. I wonder if they'd have left, right and center "handed" members of their species...
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Well, exactly - they'd simply use the combination of beak and mani like we use our hands. But the beak would be the dominant manipulator, and the hands would mainly serve just to support the actions of the beak. In terms of "handedness", I'm taking directly from birds for it. New caledonian crows, some of the most impressive avian tool-users, are marked by preference for holding sticks on one side or the other. I figure that these critters would have the same preferences...
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True, it does make holding them easier and keeps the spear more stable. Though I imagine a lot of dinosauroids might come up with unqiue takes on the concept.
Also, I did have an idea for a semi-aquatic predator (basically take a large dromeosaur and combine it with a penguin and you get what I mean) as a local apex predator for the northern climes and probably a local totem. However, I'm not much of an artist. Still, I'll give it my best shot and if you're interested in what results, you can make it better.
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Man, go for it! This is a collaborative world - I won't guarantee that I'll include it, but if it's good...
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Here it is. Again, I apologize for my poor drawing skills.
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Hmmm... I'm not one hundred percent sold on the current layout, but I really dig the idea...
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I probably should've made the tail shorter, be more like a giant penguin.
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Yeah- I'm thinking almost a spinosaur head on a more ungainly penguin/auk-like body...
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That would help it catch aquatic animals better. And yeah, it shouldn't be quite so sleek given it's amphibious.
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This is cool! I love all the different tools. The dino is very well done. :3
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