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About Pac-man and the arguments against him and other platformers
youtu.be/WRhyHpMUzHk?t=5m51s

Sonic on the other hand is a special case. He's suppose to be the anti-mario yet not only is that seen is a bad thing when other games are criticized when they are like Mario, but Sonic is the only platforming/action series where a crowd of man-children cried for him to be more like Mario, to the point Izuka GEARED THE ENTIRE SERIES FOR THEM!
mynintendonews.com/2010/10/12/…

The other point here to is not only is being the anti-Mario a bad thing, though it's pretty much the best way to sum it up, you can look and see the disdain man-children have against him as a character entirely. He's trying too hard to be cool, because these guys always seem to have a problem with cool, and he's not "FUN" because his narratives are played straight or taken seriously, rather then running through pastel colored worlds featuring mountains with faces on them like a bad mushroom trip.... oh wait. All of this to somehow fix Sonic, fix his gameplay, even though everything got fixed right out of the damn game for a play style that aged faster then milk. Some fix that was, and when you do bring up a problem against this gameplay, all other gameplay styles had complaints but when you criticize them now, all you get is "The old ones sucked", "they weren't perfect", and for the dumbass, "I don't understand". They sure didn't have a hard time understanding why everything else was wrong though, now their claiming illiteracy. Of course this is done to justify how the fanbase is bad and doesn't know what it was since we complain about everything.

Lastly is an recent conversation I was in about Shadow's guns with someone trying to justify the complaints, he had this to say and my reply follows.
("Conker, on the other hand, fits very well to everything in his game"
So it automatically fits even though Conker falls under EVERY situation Shadow was under, but you're trying to call a technicality on "The rest of the world"? Again, this makes no sense. It's as if you see their worlds and taking how they are at face value for a set of rules that don't exist. That's the main issue if anything, using everything as a set of rules when nothing was said that characters can't do anything outside of the norm.)

One reason why everything is a mess is the constant justification of ignorance and neglect of validation, where any argument somehow works despite not considering it's validation, or lack thereof. This combined with what I said here, looking at certain aspects as a set of rules when Sega themselves don't good deep enough into Sonic's narrative and content outside of the actual story of the game. There's a reason this argument never occurred with the Archie and Fleetway fanbases but did with the "Game fans". The archie and fleetway comics actually do in depth with their narrative, where you do see characters using guns of some kind, how realistic they are shouldn't be a focal point to the issue, but keep in mind they have to at least shoot lazers for the most part because you have to visually illustrate the effects of almost any injury. Keep in mind that while realistic guns can kill and cause bleeding and/or death, so can being stabbed with spikes, crushed, or even hit with lazers. It just seems that in video game and cartoon land, you can soften things up, but that also goes for realistic guns as well. Either way, this still goes back to the point that it's the Sonic games, or Japanese Sonic material in general, is far less in touch with it's own world then U.S. and Euro content.

You can't look at those and go "other mobians don't do this" because mobians are depicted doing more then just the norms of sonic games, but there needs to be a realization that nobody said or made any rules that mobians could or couldn't do certain things or simply interact with the rest of the world, meaning the argument on the subject is not needed. You don't see mobians using guns in games often NOT because they're not suppose to, if that be the case Nack the Weasel would've never had a gun of any kind in the games, they aren't shown doing so because the only mobians around are the main characters who are never shown interacting with their world. This is the same issue where the team argument comes from, where people think teams can only consists of characters who fill certain roles or there's no room for them when many of them, a mindset that comes from how Heroes was designed for balance and not that it's an official rule for building teams. I talked about this here. psyco-the-frog.deviantart.com/…

I could spin my wheels further but I'd just be rambling at this point. Instead, just think more about these aspects rather then just look at them as a set of rules.

Description
About Pac-man and the arguments against him and other platformers
youtu.be/WRhyHpMUzHk?t=5m51s

Sonic on the other hand is a special case. He's suppose to be the anti-mario yet not only is that seen is a bad thing when other games are criticized when they are like Mario, but Sonic is the only platforming/action series where a crowd of man-children cried for him to be more like Mario, to the point Izuka GEARED THE ENTIRE SERIES FOR THEM!
mynintendonews.com/2010/10/12/…

The other point here to is not only is being the anti-Mario a bad thing, though it's pretty much the best way to sum it up, you can look and see the disdain man-children have against him as a character entirely. He's trying too hard to be cool, because these guys always seem to have a problem with cool, and he's not "FUN" because his narratives are played straight or taken seriously, rather then running through pastel colored worlds featuring mountains with faces on them like a bad mushroom trip.... oh wait. All of this to somehow fix Sonic, fix his gameplay, even though everything got fixed right out of the damn game for a play style that aged faster then milk. Some fix that was, and when you do bring up a problem against this gameplay, all other gameplay styles had complaints but when you criticize them now, all you get is "The old ones sucked", "they weren't perfect", and for the dumbass, "I don't understand". They sure didn't have a hard time understanding why everything else was wrong though, now their claiming illiteracy. Of course this is done to justify how the fanbase is bad and doesn't know what it was since we complain about everything.

Lastly is an recent conversation I was in about Shadow's guns with someone trying to justify the complaints, he had this to say and my reply follows.
("Conker, on the other hand, fits very well to everything in his game"
So it automatically fits even though Conker falls under EVERY situation Shadow was under, but you're trying to call a technicality on "The rest of the world"? Again, this makes no sense. It's as if you see their worlds and taking how they are at face value for a set of rules that don't exist. That's the main issue if anything, using everything as a set of rules when nothing was said that characters can't do anything outside of the norm.)

One reason why everything is a mess is the constant justification of ignorance and neglect of validation, where any argument somehow works despite not considering it's validation, or lack thereof. This combined with what I said here, looking at certain aspects as a set of rules when Sega themselves don't good deep enough into Sonic's narrative and content outside of the actual story of the game. There's a reason this argument never occurred with the Archie and Fleetway fanbases but did with the "Game fans". The archie and fleetway comics actually do in depth with their narrative, where you do see characters using guns of some kind, how realistic they are shouldn't be a focal point to the issue, but keep in mind they have to at least shoot lazers for the most part because you have to visually illustrate the effects of almost any injury. Keep in mind that while realistic guns can kill and cause bleeding and/or death, so can being stabbed with spikes, crushed, or even hit with lazers. It just seems that in video game and cartoon land, you can soften things up, but that also goes for realistic guns as well. Either way, this still goes back to the point that it's the Sonic games, or Japanese Sonic material in general, is far less in touch with it's own world then U.S. and Euro content.

You can't look at those and go "other mobians don't do this" because mobians are depicted doing more then just the norms of sonic games, but there needs to be a realization that nobody said or made any rules that mobians could or couldn't do certain things or simply interact with the rest of the world, meaning the argument on the subject is not needed. You don't see mobians using guns in games often NOT because they're not suppose to, if that be the case Nack the Weasel would've never had a gun of any kind in the games, they aren't shown doing so because the only mobians around are the main characters who are never shown interacting with their world. This is the same issue where the team argument comes from, where people think teams can only consists of characters who fill certain roles or there's no room for them when many of them, a mindset that comes from how Heroes was designed for balance and not that it's an official rule for building teams. I talked about this here. psyco-the-frog.deviantart.com/…

I could spin my wheels further but I'd just be rambling at this point. Instead, just think more about these aspects rather then just look at them as a set of rules.