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*Wait till the stamp finishes its animation before you fave.I have no problem whatsoever with people trying to bring attention to violence towards men. Even though it happens at a smaller scale than violence towards women, it still needs to be recognized and stopped. However, it is not OK to dismiss violence (including sexual assault) towards women as something along the lines of "not happening as often as people say". It is also not OK to bring up violence towards men during a discussion about violence towards women. I've seen a lot of MRAs do this.
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Why would it not be ok to bring up violence against men in a discussion about violence against women?? What if it was relevant, or you were trying to discuss a talking point about how different genders are abused in a sort of comparison talking point? Also; on a side note, sometimes abuse is cyclical in a relationship and often replaces communication after a rough spot for some couples...meaning that violence against women and men can be intertwined issues which intimately connect with each other. It's not just that one of them is the obvious "bad guy" and I think that in some situations that trying to weed out someone to blame, just won't do.
I think the reason that a lot of MRAs would get heated about violence against men, is that men tend to get less help after the fact, have less help available to them, and less awareness and understanding and empathy in regards to the abuse issue. Women tend to be snatched up and put back together right away in most cases, but men are just expected to deal with it and forget it ever happened...I've even seen people get offended at the thought that male victims exist as if the mere existence ofΒ male victimhood takes something away from or diminishes the experience of female victimhood. That's complete nonsense.
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Any kind of diversion from an issue under discussion is not okay.Β It would be different if the issue of violence towards men was brought up in retaliation of such claims as "Only Women Get Abused!" Sure, both parties in a relationship can be abusive to one another, but that doesn't really have anything to do with whether it's appropriate to bring up violence against men during discussions about violence against women.
There are many ways to solve the problem of male victims getting less help than female victims.Β Presenting false numbers is not one of them, and neither is attempting to divert attention from female victims.Β Also, it's not typical for female victims to get help in general, especially since most of them don't report their abuse for various reasons.Β Yes, men are told to "man up" and to forget about abuse, but this unfortunate longtime social rule is not pushed by women.
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It isn't just violence against women that men and anti-feminists will try to shun so they can talk about violence against men instead. Any time women's issues are brought up, someone is there to talk about men's issues instead and shift the focus away from women's issues. I'm really quite sick of that.
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This is probably quite late to reply to this; but I totally agree!Β
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I frequent /r/MensRights on Reddit, and I don't think it's common for people there to diminish, never mind deny the prevalence of violence against women, even though it does at times happen. It's just that places for men's rights activism are primarily places of discussion for violence against men, which can give the impression that MRAs don't care about violence against women. They do care! Many of them just feel that violence against men is something they need to concentrate on because male victims receive so little support and acknowledgement; women have far better support networks and opportunities.
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Well, I don't know what to conclude, because my experiences with MRAs (many of them being redditers) have been completely different. I've witnessed them saying "men get raped/beaten too!" at support groups for female victims a lot more often then I've seen them encouraging support for male victims in their own space.Β And I honestly can't think of a time when they didn't put the entire blame on feminism during the fewer times in which they did the latter.Β To me, it kind of raises the question if they really do care about male victims, and are not just using them as an excuse to bash the feminist movement.Β
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I agree. People seem to have the idea that if you oppose violence towards one gender, you approve of violence towards the other.
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I'm confused.Β A while back, you blocked me to avoid a response after insulting me and repetitively showing an inability/unwillingness to properly argue.Β (Not that I'm planning to continue that one debate, as I know it will be pointless.) And now you unblocked me to comment on/fave my deviations like nothing happened.Β What gives?
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I don't hold grudges. I had to end the argument because it had turned into an is-to-is-not fight, but just because we had a tiff doesn't mean I hate you.
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Why did you unblock me though?
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Because I don't hate you. If you start another fight I may have to block you again, but I hope you won't and I like to give people second chances.
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That's fine. I never lost anything by being blocked by you, and I never will.Β I just thought it was weird that you unblocked me and acted like nothing happened.
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Well, I was never trying to make you lose anything. I had to end a useless fight, is all.
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Violence against men is not "on a smaller scale" than violence against women you chucklefuck
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Neutral sources speak otherwise, you pee-pee face.
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With pleasure.
www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvβ¦
www.ncadv.org/files/MaleVictim⦠ (Btw, according to this study, the majority of male victims are abused by other men.)
www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-xβ¦
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Here is a compilation of 221 studies and 65 analyses regarding the comparison between amounts of male and female victims of intimate partner violence, claiming IPV occurs in roughly equal amounts by and to both sexes.(1)
Here is the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey from 2010 which found that the rates of male and female rape are virtually equal.(2)
Do note that in the document, rape is defined as non-consentual penetration which excludes male victims who were forced to penetrate. Therefore it is important to compare the amount of females who have been raped to the amount of males who have been forced to penetrate.
In addition, the reliability of lifetime statistics for men is very questionable - studies have found that male victims of sexual violence were much more likely to deny any history of sexual assault or simply not see what happened to them as sexual violence. Therefore the twelve-month statistic is more accurate (probably for both sexes).
Although domestic and sexual violence in general are underreported crimes, it is very reasonable to claim that underreporting is more common for male victims. This study found that half to two thirds of men who sought help from the police, or domestic violence helplines or agencies found those resources "not at all helpful".(3)
According to the analysis tool of the National Crime Victimization Survey(4), about 40-45% of men and 50-55% of women report violent crime to the police, depending on the year.
(1) www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assaulβ¦
(2) www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention⦠pages 28-29, tables 2.1 and 2.2
(3) wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/fi⦠page 8
(4) www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=nvat Custom Tables -> Personal Victimization
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At least one of the sources I've cited has mentioned that male victims are less likely than female victims to report (with many possible reasons for why this is the case), so I'm not quite sure why you're arguing this.
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Seems like so many people who are against misandry don't understand that misogyny exists too. I think there's too many anti-feminist stamps on dA. I applaud you for this. I'm the type of feminist that is against both misandry and misogyny, but people are always like "WAHHH BUT MISOGYNY DOESN'T EXIIIIIST! WAAAH"Β
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NP 
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Basic problem with discussing/campaigning about "violence against women" is that it's usually a sexist presentation of domestic violence/sexual assault that excludes both male victims of domestic violence/sexual assault and female perpetrators of domestic violence/sexual assault.
I have never seen a domestic violence ad that would present a male beaten by a woman while in reality at least 1 man per 3 women is victim of domestic violence. It's a result of the "violence against women" mentality. 1 in 4 domestic violence posters should about male victims but they aren't because people preparing these campaigns are sexist.
Additional problem:
I've seen campaigns against violence against women, but I have never actually seen a campaign against violence against men. I've never seen anything like "murdering men doesn't make you a macho" or "real men don't beat other men without their consent" or "stabbing your husband isn't OK". Or "breaking a broom on the back of your son doesn't make you a good mother".
What does "violence against women" even mean? Why is for example a violent controlling husband relevant, but a violent controlling wife isn't? What's the special difference here (unlike in case of homophobia, racism, etc. it's a pure case of pathological attitude to relationships/emotional problems - why does it warrant excluding male victims/female perps?)?
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It's not that I disagree with your arguments, but I don't think you quite understand the point of this stamp.Β It's a direct response to MRAs who can't bring up violence against men without invalidating the problem of violence against women.Β
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Since the whole "violence against women" lunacy is harming male/butch lesbian victims of domestic violence, I think it's justified that MRAs want to invalidate it.
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Your comment makes no sense.Β In case you didn't know, butch lesbians (gasp!) count as women as well.Β So your argument that speaking against violence against women harms butch lesbians victims is nonsense.Β Thinking that it harms male victims is also nonsense.Β If you see concern of female victims as "lunacy" that needs to be invalidated, you're a pretty awful person.
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No. It harms male and butch lesbian partners because they are stereotyped as aggressors due to their "masculinity" even when they are victims. Like in police is called to a domestic violence incident, and male/butch partner is treated as an aggressor even though they have injuries from assault, not the femme because someone is programming people with the idea of violence against women. Butch lesbians are women but are stereotyped as "masculine" and therefore a cause of "violence against women" not victims.
Then the whole conflating ofΒ domestic violence with "violence against women" ensures that there are no serious resources (like for example safehouses) dedicated to male victims of domestic violence.
I have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about "female victims". I don't consider males and females to be real groups. The idea of violence against woman is lunacy because it lumps together and separates various types of crimes basing on gender of their victims.
Then it often muddles up causes of violence. For example rapists usually have a history of general use of physical/psychological violence consequences of which they avoid through psycho-manipulation and their actions aren't actions of "violence against women" but typical violent actions of an extremely selfish, violent, condescending person.
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I don't know why the animation of this stamp is so slow but other than that I really like it message its trying to convey
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It was my first animation stamp. Bear with me
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Yet you marginalize men who suffer because of false rape accusations?
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Your strawmanning is lame.
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How is it straw manning if you literally said that false accusations don't matter?
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It's strawmanning because you're claiming I said something that I never did.
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I am not trying to straw man you, so I am sorry.Β
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Then please refrain from that next time.
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Violence against men is not treated the same as violence against women.Β
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That addresses nothing in my stamp or description.
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i am just putting it out there...
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The fact that male and female victims are treated differently is something I'm already aware of.Β
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Can we just stop violence against everybody? No matter what gender, can we just stop it?
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Sure we can.Β The question is will we.
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Cant we just stop with the violence against men/woman. It sounds like there is this movement that is meant to commit genocide against men or against woman. Just think about it. It sounds more like there is genocide against woman or genocide against men. Like men literally get into a group to beat up the first woman that walks by because she's a woman. And woman get into a group find a man and say "GIRL POWER" and then begin to beat up the man. Thats what I think of when I hear these terms.
The justice system invented a term to make this sound less like a hate crime. It makes it out to be violence against a human being, who just so happened to be male or female done for reasons other then gender. Its called "domestic violence"
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Why don't we just say Violence on humans sucks.
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Why do only sick people get medicine?
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I've seen people forget about violence against men because "violence against women is more common" and people forget about violence against women because "violence against men exists, too".
Either of those suck.
Every case of violence/sex assault/abuse should be equally considered, the victims equally supported and the abusers equally punished.
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Wouldn't it just be convenient to make a anti-violence stamp?
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I have one in my gallery if you're interested.
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