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DONE.


Taking my old Mandeville world and expanding it to global size and bring it to modern day. 

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OK! I still need to do some detail work – redo the notes so they are more pleasing to the eye and not scattered all over the place, there are some ugly borders from the original map I want to finish prettifying, and then I need to do a few demographic calculations for Mr_Fanboy, but the map is substantially done, so I’m going ahead and posting it.

Things have been tough for High Asia. Prester John lived and ruled for many, many years, but he was not immortal. His heir was a man of some wisdom, but he was not his great-grandfather. His successor in turn was mere dully competent. And the third generation…

By the dawn of the 20th century, the Empire had fallen on hard times. Corruption was rife, the nonhuman races were persecuted, the subject kings had been reduced to little more than figureheads while the Presbyter’s officials held the real power. Although still a great power by sheer bulk, it had fallen behind Europe in the wealth of its populace and the wisdom of its natural philosophers.

It was therefore folly for the Empire to jump into the Great War, the breakdown of the balance of power giving what its ruling class thought was an ideal opportunity to end the menace of the Grand Sultans of Persia and retake Jerusalem for Christianity. As war raged in the west, brought on by France-Castile’s intervention in the Burgundian civil war (with ambitions to annex that long-standing insult to French national integrity), the armies of High Asia marched west, theoretically in alliance with France (whose Egyptian protectorate had been seized by Persia as a theoretical ally of Britain and the Holy Roman Empire) but really in pursuit of the Presbyter’s ambitions.

It was a bridge too far. France-Castile fell, and while Persia would soon fall too from its wounds, the Empire fell into revolution. The Collectivists came out on top and forcibly reunited most of the Empire under their rule: socialism as we would call it, but in a world of wonders and miracles, in a land where one could hardly take a stroll without tripping over a holy relic, called it a kingdom, a kingdom whose only Lord was Christ. (Later Collectivist revolutions, especially those taking place in non-Christian nations, would tend to term themselves “republics” instead). A long struggle to create the first truly equal state followed, with much pursuit of heretics and naysayers.

In time came the Second Great War. In Europe, the Italian Dictatorship of Philosophers, aided by a vengeful France, armed with terrible new weapons of perverted Alchemy, sought to reshape Europe to their whims. In the East, the new vicious hostility between the former allies Serica and High Asia allowed the hordes of Gog-Magog to break out from behind their wall and overrun Serica, while the Emperor of Java took advantage of a distracted Europe to try and conquer all the islands and peninsulas between India and Hawaii.

In the end Gog-Magog, drunk on victory, overreached themselves, invading as well Anglo-Irish Beringia with a new secret sea monster resistant fleet, finally bringing that great ungainly child of the British isles, the United States of Columbia, along with their Californian allies, into the fight. Overstretched, Gog-Magog failed to take the capital of the People’s Kingdom, and soon were on the back foot, while the Russians entered the fight in Europe. Even the isolationist Chipanguese entered the fight against Java and Gog-Magog. In the end, Gog-Magog was split between High Asia and Columbia and its allies, and the People’s Kingdom also helped liberate Serica, guaranteeing the rise of their own Collectivist movement. Italy was broken up into its component parts and France lost lands to South Burgundy, England, and the Bretons. Java lost its puppet kings and became a republic.

A Cold War between the Collectivists and the private property nations, ending in Détente in the 1980s as the inhabitants of Serica and High Asia found that there wasn’t much money in collectivism. Still, the People’s Kingdom remained relatively true to its principles, still having faith in the God which told men to give all they had to the poor if they wished to join him, and that a rich man’s chances of heaven were metaphorically miniscule: they would not follow the example of Serica, increasingly a cheap and skuzzy imitation of its neighbor to the south.

As the People’s Kingdom struggles on (perhaps administration by talking brazen heads is the way forward?), new threats arise. Gog-Magog, from which the People’s Kingdom and the United States withdrew from in the 80s and 90s, [1] has reunified and seen a revival of the old religion, with it’s very strong emphasis on all those tares which need to be burned. Meanwhile, the Cannibal Empires of the Southern Continent, never successfully conquered by westerners, have largely caught up to the outside world in terms of the philosophical and mechanical arts, and are energetically expanding their control over the lands of the Monster Races: a collision with the various western colonies and protectorates to their west seems likely. Will there be another war? There is talk of new weapons more terrible than the transmutational devices which ended the last Great War.

Meanwhile, eyes are again on the impossibly tall mountain at the center of the world, the mountain of paradise to the Christians and Muslims, Mount Meru to the Hindoos and Buddhists, and increasingly an Alien Base to flying saucer watchers, where an attempt by a radical branch of the People’s Kingdom to contact heaven by landing a rocket atop the mountain has led to the rockets destruction by fire from the sky. The top remains invisible even from the artificial moons under its shining cloud, but there have been great storms on the slopes of the mountain, and people fear that divine wrath is not yet slaked…

 

[1] It’s a _large_ country. Occupation and ideological purging were much harder and less complete than, say, a comparable nation OTL. 


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odinatra [2024-07-10 14:21:46 +0000 UTC]

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Zocore [2023-03-18 13:48:53 +0000 UTC]

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SiegeSquirrel42 [2021-08-13 05:48:33 +0000 UTC]

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Lediblock2 [2018-03-12 00:01:50 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I need more details about this. I need to know *everything* about this place.

Because this? This is fucking awesome. Where can I find more info on this?

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Ngabay [2018-01-10 20:01:10 +0000 UTC]

Who owns solomons mines?

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Kraut007 [2017-12-02 00:40:38 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Just wow. 
That must be one of your most detailed and extensive maps yet.
What a world! 

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OttoVonSuds [2017-11-12 19:30:51 +0000 UTC]

I found where you most likely got the whole tares thing from: www.sherrytalkradio.com/sherry…

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chaotic-nipple [2017-11-10 01:00:53 +0000 UTC]

How similar are the Cannibal Empires to 'Green Antarctica's Tsalal?

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QuantumBranching In reply to chaotic-nipple [2017-11-14 01:41:55 +0000 UTC]

They don't follow the "each has their own set of perversions" model, and they're thematically less Lovecraftian, their wildlife included. This is after all a Mandeville, not HPL, world: plenty of monsters, but the sort of monsters pre-SF, pre-modern biology people might dream up after too much moldy cheese. It's Australia as well as Antarctica, so of course it's full of all sorts of vicious and poisonous beasties, and definitely Drop Bears. They all find eating people acceptable, but vary in the application. In some places you can get human-based meals in specialty restaurants [1], while in others human flesh is only eaten as part of elaborate rituals surrounding human sacrifice, and in some places children lovingly eat certain parts of their deceased parents. [2] Torture is widely used, but then, like Catholics, they consider suffering sacred: their Gods are cruel, but they need to be - they shape humanity to their purpose, and their tools are sharp. Torture is both given and willingly received: being able to stand massive amounts of pain without flinching is an indicator of spiritual power, and until recently it was hard to get to an elevated position in the Empire's society without suffering massive amounts of pain. (Asking people "do you want to know how I got these scars?" is clearly boasting).

[1] As you could at certain restaurants in late Song China (sourced from peasants whose families really needed the money and who had either died in accidents or deliberately committed suicide).

[2] They're aware of the need for thorough cooking, and the Southern Continent has no prion-based diseases, of course.

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grisador [2017-11-05 14:05:45 +0000 UTC]

Are the lamias of Antartica; are attractive ?

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QuantumBranching In reply to grisador [2017-11-14 01:44:19 +0000 UTC]

From the waist up? Sure, as long as they keep their mouths shut.  lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2Hd…

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grisador In reply to QuantumBranching [2018-11-02 18:14:31 +0000 UTC]

LoL !

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chaotic-nipple [2017-10-22 23:57:49 +0000 UTC]

I can see the "Lost Crusaders State" maintaining independence from the US, and MAYBE the Lost Tribes of Israel, but how does Cibola manage it?

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QuantumBranching In reply to chaotic-nipple [2017-10-24 00:27:40 +0000 UTC]

Still a work in progress: the Lost Tribes may end up as a US state or autonomous province or something. Cibola got conquered by the Spanish and is a Spanish-speaking state like Mexico or Colombia. 

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chaotic-nipple In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-10-24 01:40:48 +0000 UTC]

But how do they avoid being overrun and/or ethnically cleansed by Anglo prospectors, being in the middle of the OTL Midwest? It might make more sense to go with the legends that place the Seven Cities of Gold in the OTL Southwest instead.

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QuantumBranching In reply to chaotic-nipple [2017-11-14 01:46:12 +0000 UTC]

The Spanish get there some eighty years before the first successful British settlement in North America, and over two hundred before the colonists start crossing the Appalachians.

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123456789JD [2017-10-21 20:24:16 +0000 UTC]

What the hell are the Israelis doing in Utah?!

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QuantumBranching In reply to 123456789JD [2017-10-22 02:52:30 +0000 UTC]

Lost tribes, man. They show up almost anywhere...

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123456789JD In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-10-22 03:46:13 +0000 UTC]

So Israel is now in Utah in this universe?

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Rakhasa In reply to 123456789JD [2017-10-30 12:10:00 +0000 UTC]

Well, the Lost tribes got lost before they invented Google maps, and you know how it is, the wife is nagging you to stop and ask someone, you know she is right and should have done so an hour ago, but now is a matter of pride, etc.

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FrustratedInExcelsis [2017-10-20 06:19:00 +0000 UTC]

This is looking awesome already! I'm assuming it's based off of maps, geographic myths and such from the middle ages to the Age of Exploration?\

The Northwest Passage looks like it'd be a bitch and a half to navigate, even assuming it doesn't freeze over come winter.

I'm also guessing that Cathay and the Empire of Prester John went through this world's general equivalent of the communist revolutions?

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Klosav [2017-10-18 03:20:11 +0000 UTC]

HUUGEE Question. I've admired the way you make your maps for SOOO long. What do you use to make them? I really want to become a mapper but don't know what to use to do that.

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123456789JD [2017-10-16 01:58:17 +0000 UTC]

What da hell is dis?!

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GottfreyUndRoy [2017-10-11 18:51:06 +0000 UTC]

Things to add:

-River of Ouragon (River of the West)
-Cibola / 7 Cities of Gold
-Norumbega
-Saugenuay 
-Santazees / The Devil's Island
-Terra Compagnie / Gamaland (VOC Alaska) 
-The Silver Isles
-Antillia / Royllo 
-Floridian Fountain of Youth
-Large freshwater lake in the Deep South
-The Cannibal Empires of Mesoamerica
-Manoa / Eldorado / Lake Parima
-Fusang
-Rio Canelos
-The Lost City of Z
-City of the Caesars
-Paititi
-Laguna de los Xarayes
-Land of the Patagones
-Mountains of the Moon
-Cannibal Empire of Anziku
-Great Zimbabwe / Queen of Sheba / Lost Tribes

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QuantumBranching In reply to GottfreyUndRoy [2017-10-13 05:07:27 +0000 UTC]

Lot of good suggestions here, some of which I haven't even heard of before. Thanks!

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GottfreyUndRoy In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-10-26 04:10:21 +0000 UTC]

Just in case you didn't see my other post on the forum--

-Sweetwater Lake in the American South
-Welsh Indians / Irish religious colony (ruled by Vinlandic exiles) in Maritime Virginia and Maryland, ala "Great Ireland" or "White Man's Land".
-Standing Stones in the Susquehanna region
-Irish Pappar in Newfoundland and Maine
-Something to do with Newport Tower
-Literal sands of gold in Virginia
-Lake Conbius instead of Hudson Bay, with a cannibal empire upon its shores
-A desert in the Carolinas
-Sargasso Sea being a permanent mire
-Melungeons all throughout Appalachia
-The Moon-Eyed Azgen
-The Moundbuilders-- several ways you could go with this, potentially meaning several civilizations: the farthest extent of Vinlandic civilization out into the Great Lakes (see also: Kensington Runestone), the Welsh Indians, the Lost Tribes, or, my personal favorite and most in keeping with the Mandevillean themes, a race of red-head, occasionally cyclopean, occasionally horned, giants that devoured natives, and may or may not be extinct, though it may be cooler to have them living and runnign their cannibal empire.
-This isn't based on anything specific, but a series of half-sunken, mysterious ruins along the Gulf coastline, most prominently in the bayou, inhabited by deranged cultists. Alternatively, lost Mayan gulf colonies.
-Fountain of Youth-- maybe the Sweetwater Lake?
-River of the West/Lake Ouinipigon
-Giant beavers
-Anian
-Alaska as discovered by Marco Polo and Kublai Khan ( www.alternatehistory.com/forum…)
-The Carolinas characterized by desert and savannah
-Quivira in Wichita as the capital of Cibola
-Teguayo, a fiercely independent Pueblo/Anasazi state, which may or may not be Aztlan (homeland of the Aztec), and may be either on the Great Salt Lakes (Lamanites) or a separate, myhtical freshwater swamp in Arizona.
-Roanoke/Croatan
-Lizard people/Muvans beneath California
-Norumbega as Lovecraft Country, though more in the "ancient mystery" than "existential horror" oeuvre.
-New England Vampire Panic
-Oak Island, so many possible directions. 
-Absurdly cannibalistic Mesoamericans who have a constant preoccupation with the coming apocalypse (funnily enough, Age of Discovery did draw a connection between the Maya and the apocalypse because of the mention of "Maia" in Revelation)
-Absurdly cannibalistic Caribs. Possibly Blemmyaes brought over by the Egyptians when they established their colonies. 
-Egyptian successor in Illinois
-Val Verde
-Muslims in Cuba (or should I say Quba?) 
-Viking Minnesota
-Civilization that loves carving massive megalithic heads in the Black Hills
-Semi-surviving New Netherland/Sleepy Hallow 
-Stone-ball builders of Costa Rica
-The Black Rock at the North Pole, and a second smaller Black Rock on or near Newfoundland that causes magnetic disturbances- Devil's Island?
-Arctic pygmies who in additon to fightign storks live below ground

-De Loys Apes (Monkey-Men)
-Egyptian successor state in Venezuela or Colombia, originally predicated upon the production and trading of cocaine and tobacco back to Egypt. 
-The Lost City of Z, though perhaps not strictly in the Percy Fawcett sense: rather, the original Portugese descriptions, which held that there were massive but utterly abandoned roads that led deep into the Amazon interior. One individual followed the roads, and in the region today known as Minas Gerais found a vast stone city with a mysterious hieroglyphic language, utterly abandoned.
-Rio Canelos
-Lake Parima/Manoa
-Terre de Quiros
-Romans in Rio (some amphorae were found off the coast, leading some to suggest it).
-Rio Canelos
-Amazons in the Amazon
-In keeping with the idea that the Inca worshipped white, bearded gods, have Peru as some sort of heavily apartheid society ruled by a self-declared "godly" ruling class. Possibly overthrown in some sort of pseudo-Communist revolution, forcing their flight to Paititi. 
-Not sure if it's totally in fitting with the theme, but use Thor Heyerdahl's explanation of the peopling of Polynesia: that is, originally settled by the Inca, only to later be attacked by a stone-age maritime people from the Pacific Northwest (the Haida, presumably). 
-Ground sloths, including domesticated ground sloths raised by Patagonian troglodytes. 
-Amazonian dinosaurs and lizard-men 
-Sloth people
-South America referred to as "Veracruz"
-Witch-cult civilization of Chiloe Island
-Blemmyaes in the Caroline Islands. 
-The "edge-of-the-world" in the Pacific, a massive ravine that leads into a series of Anathasius Kircher-esque underwater caverns.
-Green Antarctica shenanigans in Terra Australasia
-Saxemberg Island
-Brazil not extending pass the Tordesdillas Line? 

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GottfreyUndRoy In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-10-20 20:19:08 +0000 UTC]

And another one: Great Ireland or White Ireland

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QuantumBranching [2017-10-11 00:15:56 +0000 UTC]

Work in progress. Taking my old Mandeville world and expanding it to global size and bring it to modern day. Sorry didn't make it clear earlier, but was having internet problems and posting anything was a bitch.  This will be updated as it gets nearer completion. 

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Magnysovich [2017-10-10 20:25:15 +0000 UTC]

The expansion I never knew I needed. Looking forward to the finished product.

What will you be basing the America's on, considering there was no knowledge of it at the time?

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QuantumBranching In reply to Magnysovich [2017-10-11 00:19:59 +0000 UTC]

Various myths and legends and misunderstandings of America: Bigfoot and Wendigo, the Northwest Passage and the Island of California, the Seven Cities of Cibola and El Dorado, Jefferson's western mammoths and flying saucers in New Mexico. 

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OttoVonSuds [2017-10-10 02:25:33 +0000 UTC]

mandeville world has the americas?

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QuantumBranching In reply to OttoVonSuds [2017-10-11 00:20:27 +0000 UTC]

The one who commissioned the map wanted Americas and some sort of US-equivalent. 

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OttoVonSuds In reply to QuantumBranching [2017-10-15 12:54:00 +0000 UTC]

Oh ok then. This should be interesting to see given the geographic mutilation.

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Midnight-Blue766 [2017-10-10 01:03:34 +0000 UTC]

What's an "America"?

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Gregxter [2017-10-09 23:59:08 +0000 UTC]

Brazil looks pregnant

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QuantumBranching In reply to Gregxter [2017-10-11 00:23:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm trying to go for an "early maps" look, in which South America was often sort of squashed
looking. 

www.thetapestryhouse.com/media…

As the map proceeds, North America will also have a bigass extension to the NW, and rather than Australia there will be the Great Southern Continent. 

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Twiggierjet [2017-10-09 21:52:38 +0000 UTC]

How come North America has its various states/counties highlighted?

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Rakhasa In reply to Twiggierjet [2017-10-10 14:29:02 +0000 UTC]

Looking at the way Borneo is cut in a straight line, it probably is because the map is halfway done and the USA is still the original base map

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QuantumBranching In reply to Rakhasa [2017-10-11 00:20:43 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. 

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Comrade-Emperor [2017-10-09 21:46:10 +0000 UTC]

That looks... unusual

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