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Roosevelt never became President, and the US road through the Great Depression was bumpier and more distracting from foreign affairs. They stayed out of the war in Europe (although they made it clear they wouldn’t stand for an actual Nazi takeover of Britain) and the Nazis, having managed to take Moscow in the first year, ended up after a long struggle conquering Europe out to the Volga, although they failed to knock out the Soviets entirely, and there was no Sea Lion to ride across the English Channel..

America still slapped an embargo on Japan, and drifted into a war in the Pacific that further quelled ardor for European interventions. Hitler, without the near-war in the Atlantic of OTL, kept his mouth shut for once and didn’t declare war on the US, much to Japanese disappointment. The ATL president being more wary of spending money on that “scientifiction nonsense”, the US atom bomb project remained a lower priority project, and Japan was subjected to the horrors of a full land invasion, and suffered terrible human losses. The Japanese army held on in China with their own “emperor in exile” for a couple years before finally going the way of the dodo, and the Chinese civil war dragged on longer. Mao died and was replaced as Top Dog by OTLs General Zhu De, which was good in the sense that he was less crazy than Mao, but also bad in that he was less crazy than Mao: his less loony approach to modernization meant it took China rather longer to decide there was no money in Marxism-Leninism-Zhuism.

The Reich looked rather overwhelmingly powerful for a while, especially after the British Bomb was quickly followed by a Nazi bomb and the means to deliver it, and there was a Cold War of sorts even more sweaty-palmed than OTLs equivalent. However, the Nazi economy was almost as hampered by ideological stupidity and massive corruption as the Soviet one in our world, not to mention massive useless projects such as the building of “Germania” and turning Moscow into a lake, and ran into increasing problems from the 60s on: the depopulated ruin of European Russia never brought returns proportional to the costs to take and hold it, and German economic “policies” to essentially bleed their European vassals to enrich the German citizenry was a massive effort in gold goose genocide.

The Soviet Union had a very bad time after the Armistice of ’44, and for a while was heavily dependent on US aid (the US didn’t like the Soviets, but found use in keeping them afloat as a menace to the Germans, and a nice big buffer between Germany and US interests in East Asia). Tens of millions of Slavs fled or were driven out of German territory, the majority (due to Siberia being, well, Siberia) being settled in Central Asia, which led to years of Unpleasantness with the local Muslims. However, under the new “Neo-Bolshevik” regime that came to power after the post-Stalin circular firing squad did its work, the State rallied, and after managing to develop its own atomic bomb (bless those spies) in the 60s, began really working that terrorism and infiltration across the Volga.

Overstretched, plagued by internal intrigue and infighting, and increasingly left behind by the US both economically and technologically, the German Reich began a long slow decline in the 80s, gradually withdrawing from costly conquests, as internal spasms of reform and reaction came and went, usually taking the “pull out all the wiring and poop on the floor before leaving” approach to decolonization. After the bloody crisis of 1995, where an SS takeover was stopped and SS “Burgundy” nuked, [1] the always incoherent Nazi ideologues went pretty much out of favor, although the first tentative steps towards something resembling democracy were still years away.

In 2029, Germany is still authoritarian but more-or-less democratic, with voters choosing between a xenophobic, nationalist, militarist party of the left and a xenophobic, nationalist, and more militarist party of the right. (Essentially fragments of the old Nazi party: most other parties are either small or non-legal). There are some points of view that are simply not tolerated, and the army and secret police are still there to make sure do not drift too far from what is permissible. The government is still pro-reproduction, but now it’s a matter of tax cuts and awards for extra babies and tax hikes and social ostracism for those who don’t contribute to the rugrat pool. Antisemitism is the norm, but people will admit Hitler was a little crazy on the subject. (Hitler, like Mao in China nowadays OTL, is seen as a bit of a giant with feet of clay). “Race science” is still around, it’s just a more sophisticated brand of bullshit nowadays. Most Germans, in their ideological bubble, are really simply puzzled by why so many foreigners aren’t willing to patch things up and get on with life, and feel rather put upon. There are nuttier elements who want to bring back the old jack-booted glories, but they’ve been quite sidelined – for now.

Germany has a little sphere of influence in southeastern and central Europe, governments varying from more democratic Finland to Romania, which is embarrassingly old fashioned in its monocled and jack-booted fascism. It also includes former protectorates of Bohemia-Moravia and the “Polish general government”, which would really like to be US allies, but being entirely surrounded by Germans and German allies, don’t have that choice: they can avoid any actual alliance with the Germans, but they can’t help being heavily influenced both economically and in their dealings with the rest of the world. (The Reich is still strong enough to keep the US from establishing any military alliances with states on the European continent proper). At least genocide is now quite off the table, and Germany doesn’t bother to manipulate local politicians no matter how much they may fulminate against the Reich and call for reparations.

The Spanish have broken off from a German alliance and hooked up with the Argentines and some other states to create their own little anti-American, anti-liberalism Catholic fascist block, which is in some ways more energetic than the rump German empire in Europe.

The US is in better shape than OTL, a more egalitarian state with lower economic inequality and a political spectrum pushed a bit to the left by a long struggle by actual Nazis (not that “identity politics” is much appreciated. All Americans are supposed to be fighting shoulder-to-shoulder against the Nazi foe, and too much insistence on “difference” is seen as divisive and possibly drifting in the direction of Nazi “race politics.”) It’s a more technocratic state with a greater appreciation of actual expertise, and a strong suspicion of “irrationality” of whatever sort. It’s also more militarized (it still has the draft, more out of that egalitarianism than actual need for huge numbers of soldiers), and for all its anti-racism tendencies less exercised by the notion of white people ruling directly or indirectly over brown ones, since the Nazis were so much very worse. Currently, there is a sharp political debate over whether to discontinue the traditional US practice of putting the screws to the Third Reich by whatever means, given that the current regime is only slightly more horrid than the Kaiser’s Reich, and instead put more attention on containing the Soviet Union, which is an absolute military dictatorship (Neo-Bolshevism having been replaced by essentially pure pragmatism at this point) pushing for at least it’s 1938 borders in the west and has a ten million man army, not to mention the Chinese, which have seen double-digit economic growth in recent years while remaining very fiddly about Taiwan and Hainan.

India, like OTL, tried to support a democratic-leftist “third way” aside from Nazi dictatorship and US capitalism and UK neo-imperialism, but without too much success. It retains a close and friendly relationship with the East African federation and an odd sort of left-neutralist fellow understanding with the dominant social democratic party of Japan (they were allowed to keep their emperor, but the US was rather more thorough in removing right-wing elements from Japanese politics. Close to half a million Japanese were banned from any participation in politics, a ban not reversed until the 1980s, by which time many of them had died off).

The Pope lives in Mexico, Pius XII’s successor having gone on a tour of Catholic America in 1961 and then refused to return to still fascist Italy. There was some talk of electing an anti-Pope, or discontinuing the Papacy in Europe entirely (a German suggestion) but eventually the Italian government gave in and allowed the Papal administration to move to Acapulco. (The Pope liked the sea view).

Technology is only a bit more advanced than OTL 2017, the glories of Nazi “science” spreading across Europe having had their effect on that part of the world’s intellectual contributions. Space tech is a bit more advanced, the US-Nazi space race having kept going long enough to put people on Mars. Admittedly, nobody has been there in over two decades, but there are some Moon bases and a bunch of manned stuff that probably could be accomplished better by robots in orbit. Some aspects of medical science are also a bit more advanced, and US doctors using techniques developed in Germany try not to think too hard on the research methods used.

Most of the world’s Jews live in the US, the Reich high tide having reached as far as Palestine and that whole Jewish homeland in Western Australia or maybe Uganda thing having fallen through. The more conservative branches of Judaism are on the rise, being seen by many the only real hope of Judaism not disappearing through intermarriage and assimilation in the tolerant west.

[1] The Germans eventually gave the area back to France. It’s still a little radioactive in spots.

Description

OK, this is a commission for daniusmaximus, a world map for this old scenario: quantumbranching.deviantart.co…

Roosevelt never became President, and the US road through the Great Depression was bumpier and more distracting from foreign affairs. They stayed out of the war in Europe (although they made it clear they wouldn’t stand for an actual Nazi takeover of Britain) and the Nazis, having managed to take Moscow in the first year, ended up after a long struggle conquering Europe out to the Volga, although they failed to knock out the Soviets entirely, and there was no Sea Lion to ride across the English Channel..

America still slapped an embargo on Japan, and drifted into a war in the Pacific that further quelled ardor for European interventions. Hitler, without the near-war in the Atlantic of OTL, kept his mouth shut for once and didn’t declare war on the US, much to Japanese disappointment. The ATL president being more wary of spending money on that “scientifiction nonsense”, the US atom bomb project remained a lower priority project, and Japan was subjected to the horrors of a full land invasion, and suffered terrible human losses. The Japanese army held on in China with their own “emperor in exile” for a couple years before finally going the way of the dodo, and the Chinese civil war dragged on longer. Mao died and was replaced as Top Dog by OTLs General Zhu De, which was good in the sense that he was less crazy than Mao, but also bad in that he was less crazy than Mao: his less loony approach to modernization meant it took China rather longer to decide there was no money in Marxism-Leninism-Zhuism.

The Reich looked rather overwhelmingly powerful for a while, especially after the British Bomb was quickly followed by a Nazi bomb and the means to deliver it, and there was a Cold War of sorts even more sweaty-palmed than OTLs equivalent. However, the Nazi economy was almost as hampered by ideological stupidity and massive corruption as the Soviet one in our world, not to mention massive useless projects such as the building of “Germania” and turning Moscow into a lake, and ran into increasing problems from the 60s on: the depopulated ruin of European Russia never brought returns proportional to the costs to take and hold it, and German economic “policies” to essentially bleed their European vassals to enrich the German citizenry was a massive effort in gold goose genocide.

The Soviet Union had a very bad time after the Armistice of ’44, and for a while was heavily dependent on US aid (the US didn’t like the Soviets, but found use in keeping them afloat as a menace to the Germans, and a nice big buffer between Germany and US interests in East Asia). Tens of millions of Slavs fled or were driven out of German territory, the majority (due to Siberia being, well, Siberia) being settled in Central Asia, which led to years of Unpleasantness with the local Muslims. However, under the new “Neo-Bolshevik” regime that came to power after the post-Stalin circular firing squad did its work, the State rallied, and after managing to develop its own atomic bomb (bless those spies) in the 60s, began really working that terrorism and infiltration across the Volga.

Overstretched, plagued by internal intrigue and infighting, and increasingly left behind by the US both economically and technologically, the German Reich began a long slow decline in the 80s, gradually withdrawing from costly conquests, as internal spasms of reform and reaction came and went, usually taking the “pull out all the wiring and poop on the floor before leaving” approach to decolonization. After the bloody crisis of 1995, where an SS takeover was stopped and SS “Burgundy” nuked, [1] the always incoherent Nazi ideologues went pretty much out of favor, although the first tentative steps towards something resembling democracy were still years away.

In 2029, Germany is still authoritarian but more-or-less democratic, with voters choosing between a xenophobic, nationalist, militarist party of the left and a xenophobic, nationalist, and more militarist party of the right. (Essentially fragments of the old Nazi party: most other parties are either small or non-legal). There are some points of view that are simply not tolerated, and the army and secret police are still there to make sure do not drift too far from what is permissible. The government is still pro-reproduction, but now it’s a matter of tax cuts and awards for extra babies and tax hikes and social ostracism for those who don’t contribute to the rugrat pool. Antisemitism is the norm, but people will admit Hitler was a little crazy on the subject. (Hitler, like Mao in China nowadays OTL, is seen as a bit of a giant with feet of clay). “Race science” is still around, it’s just a more sophisticated brand of bullshit nowadays. Most Germans, in their ideological bubble, are really simply puzzled by why so many foreigners aren’t willing to patch things up and get on with life, and feel rather put upon. There are nuttier elements who want to bring back the old jack-booted glories, but they’ve been quite sidelined – for now.

Germany has a little sphere of influence in southeastern and central Europe, governments varying from more democratic Finland to Romania, which is embarrassingly old fashioned in its monocled and jack-booted fascism. It also includes former protectorates of Bohemia-Moravia and the “Polish general government”, which would really like to be US allies, but being entirely surrounded by Germans and German allies, don’t have that choice: they can avoid any actual alliance with the Germans, but they can’t help being heavily influenced both economically and in their dealings with the rest of the world. (The Reich is still strong enough to keep the US from establishing any military alliances with states on the European continent proper). At least genocide is now quite off the table, and Germany doesn’t bother to manipulate local politicians no matter how much they may fulminate against the Reich and call for reparations.

The Spanish have broken off from a German alliance and hooked up with the Argentines and some other states to create their own little anti-American, anti-liberalism Catholic fascist block, which is in some ways more energetic than the rump German empire in Europe.

The US is in better shape than OTL, a more egalitarian state with lower economic inequality and a political spectrum pushed a bit to the left by a long struggle by actual Nazis (not that “identity politics” is much appreciated. All Americans are supposed to be fighting shoulder-to-shoulder against the Nazi foe, and too much insistence on “difference” is seen as divisive and possibly drifting in the direction of Nazi “race politics.”) It’s a more technocratic state with a greater appreciation of actual expertise, and a strong suspicion of “irrationality” of whatever sort. It’s also more militarized (it still has the draft, more out of that egalitarianism than actual need for huge numbers of soldiers), and for all its anti-racism tendencies less exercised by the notion of white people ruling directly or indirectly over brown ones, since the Nazis were so much very worse. Currently, there is a sharp political debate over whether to discontinue the traditional US practice of putting the screws to the Third Reich by whatever means, given that the current regime is only slightly more horrid than the Kaiser’s Reich, and instead put more attention on containing the Soviet Union, which is an absolute military dictatorship (Neo-Bolshevism having been replaced by essentially pure pragmatism at this point) pushing for at least it’s 1938 borders in the west and has a ten million man army, not to mention the Chinese, which have seen double-digit economic growth in recent years while remaining very fiddly about Taiwan and Hainan.

India, like OTL, tried to support a democratic-leftist “third way” aside from Nazi dictatorship and US capitalism and UK neo-imperialism, but without too much success. It retains a close and friendly relationship with the East African federation and an odd sort of left-neutralist fellow understanding with the dominant social democratic party of Japan (they were allowed to keep their emperor, but the US was rather more thorough in removing right-wing elements from Japanese politics. Close to half a million Japanese were banned from any participation in politics, a ban not reversed until the 1980s, by which time many of them had died off).

The Pope lives in Mexico, Pius XII’s successor having gone on a tour of Catholic America in 1961 and then refused to return to still fascist Italy. There was some talk of electing an anti-Pope, or discontinuing the Papacy in Europe entirely (a German suggestion) but eventually the Italian government gave in and allowed the Papal administration to move to Acapulco. (The Pope liked the sea view).

Technology is only a bit more advanced than OTL 2017, the glories of Nazi “science” spreading across Europe having had their effect on that part of the world’s intellectual contributions. Space tech is a bit more advanced, the US-Nazi space race having kept going long enough to put people on Mars. Admittedly, nobody has been there in over two decades, but there are some Moon bases and a bunch of manned stuff that probably could be accomplished better by robots in orbit. Some aspects of medical science are also a bit more advanced, and US doctors using techniques developed in Germany try not to think too hard on the research methods used.

Most of the world’s Jews live in the US, the Reich high tide having reached as far as Palestine and that whole Jewish homeland in Western Australia or maybe Uganda thing having fallen through. The more conservative branches of Judaism are on the rise, being seen by many the only real hope of Judaism not disappearing through intermarriage and assimilation in the tolerant west.

[1] The Germans eventually gave the area back to France. It’s still a little radioactive in spots.