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Description This map is based on the scenario I worked up for this thread on AlternateHistory.com, inspired by the Treaty of Versailles Negotiation Game - I decided to take a shot at it in Inkscape. It's missing the United States of Europe and the Intermarum and I originally wanted to show the occupying powers in the International Zones (German troops get to police the Straits but not the Holy Land), which I didn't know a good way to do in Inkscape at the time.

The city conventions are based on the basemap - I presume it only shows cities of 1 million or more.

The terms of this universe's Treaty of Versailles:

GERMANY:
- To acknowledge guilt for the war and pay reparations (less than OTL).
- To cede Alsace-Lorraine to France (no Saar occupation), Heligoland to Britain, Eupen-Malmedy to Belgium, and the Polish-speaking parts of Posen to the Polish state.
- Danzig to become a free city affording Germany access to East Prussia and Poland sea access. Britain, France and Germany all jointly agree to guarantee the eternal inviolability of this territory.
- Plebiscites in Schleswig-Holstein, Silesia and East Prussia as OTL, with more territory assigned in the first instance to Poland and Czechia.
- All colonial territories to be ceded (France to be given the whole of Cameroon in compensation for the Anschluss clause).
- The Imperial Navy is to be completely decommissioned, with France and Britain given first refusal on purchase; Germany is henceforth forbidden a navy or air force.
- There is to be no occupation, but Germany's standing army is to be severely limited, with French and British observers at all levels for not less than 20 years. Any attempt to re-arm will trigger a clause that breaks Germany up into its constituent states.
- Union with Austria is prohibited for 10 years - after that, union is permissible providing Austria retains the Sudetenland.
- Charged with the protection of the Baltic German state of Courland.
- German troops will be enlisted to assist in the administration of the Straits Zone, but not the International Zone of the Holy Land, in an effort to focus Germany on Europe.
An attempt here to punish Germany (France won't allow any insufficiently punitive treaty to go through) and make its threat in the future non-existent, whilst satisfying its inevitable ethnic cohesion and pre-empting a few revanchist aims. Note no Polish corridor.

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY:
- To cede Welschtirol to Italy but retain most of South Tyrol.
- To be allocated the German-speaking areas of Bohemia, whilst the remainder is to achieve independence as Czechia.
- A small Slovene state is to be created under Austrian protection - should Anschluss occur, Germany must inherit this duty.
- A more generous settlement for Hungary than OTL that still includes mostly Hungarian-majority areas.
- A small Carpatho-Ruthenian state is to be created to spike Western Ukrainian claims to Polish territory.
- Hungary is to cede Slovak-majority areas, which will be used to create a Slovakian state under Polish protection.

The United States of Europe to be formed, consisting of Western Europe. It comprises a common market and a united front, guaranteeing the Eastern European nations' borders.

SERBIA:
- To achieve most of what was promised in the Treaty of London - territory from Albania, Hungary and Bulgaria and the whole of Bosnia. To acknowledge Dalmatia as Italian preserve.
- An 'artificial' Croatian state to be created outside the Treaty of London areas with the recognition of Italy and Hungary which agrees to grant Hungary sea access.

Yes, this is all likely to cause ethnic stress later. But creating Greater Albania as some have here (when even Italy wanted a smaller, more manageable Albania) is taking territory from the victorious power Britain and France went to war to protect to give to a neutral no-one wanted to have more territory.

ITALY:
- To achieve most of what was promised in the Treaty of London - Welschtirol (but not South Tyrol proper), Istria and parts of Carniola, Dalmatia, Vlore and the rump Albania as protectorate.
- Italian troops to withdraw from Northern Epirus and permit the annexation of the territory by Greece. As compensation, most of OTL's colonial border adjustments are to be made.
- Italian troops will be enlisted to assist in the administration of the Straits Zone and the International Zone of the Holy Land.
- Italy acknowledges British and French possessions (Nice, Corsica, Malta, Tunisia, Cyprus) by virtue of inclusion in the USE.
Italy is allowed to feel like one of the big boys whilst stressing to it that it's got to play nice with the Allies in future if it wants more gains. Hopefully its new little empire in Eastern Europe will prevent the need to increase tensions in Africa.

ROMANIA:
- Romania to achieve many of its goals, excluding Hungarian-majority Carpathia and Ukrainian areas of Bessarabia, which is to be annexed as an autonomous area.

GREECE:
- To annex Bulgarian and much of Turkish Thrace, Northern Epirus, and Izmir/Smyrna in Anatolia (it's assumed any further attempt to realise Greater Greece in Anatolia will fail). Inclusion in the USE.

EASTERN EUROPE:
- Lithuania to achieve most of its territorial ambitions, increasing the possibility for an EU-like Intermarum whilst simultaneously insulating it from Soviet expansion (it has borders only with Latvia-Estonia, Courland and Poland).
- A minimalistic Courland under German protection.
- A beefed-up Latvia-Estonia able to resist Soviet demands.
- Allies to support most of Soviet demands against Finland in the hope of creating defensible depth around Petrograd that will not lead to Soviet aggression.
- Covert aid to Ukrainian independence fighters, hopefully resulting in a buffer state against the Bolsheviks that can form part of a Polish-led regional alliance.

EX-OTTOMAN EMPIRE:
- Sevres is pushed as far as it will go - an International Zone of the Straits to be established as a perpetual obligation of the Great Powers.
- Armenia to be backed against Pan-Turanist forces - with Soviet backing with the understanding that Armenia with Wilsonian borders is to tacitly fall into the Soviet sphere but may not be annexed directly.
- Georgia's independence to be championed as a buffer for Armenia - in return, the Soviets get a free hand at Baku.
- Sykes-Picot pushed as far as it will go - an International Zone of the Holy Land to be established as an Allied codominion, with Russian troops invited to assist. Britain to retain control of Haifa. A Pan-Arab state proving impossible, a Greater Syrian state will be created under Franco-British influence, and Basra under direct British control, whilst the Saudis are allowed to annex the Hejaz and and Transjordan in exchange for guaranteed British conduct in the north. In return Britain is to receive all existing Ottoman claims in the Persian gulf.
France is to receive direct control over Lebanon and the Sanjak of Alexandretta, hopefully shortstopping any conflicts between Syria and Turkey.
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SPAnComCat [2024-01-22 07:45:52 +0000 UTC]

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Polskaisgreat [2022-11-20 18:55:24 +0000 UTC]

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Polskaisgreat [2022-11-11 07:37:44 +0000 UTC]

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LogisticFlag [2022-04-19 11:58:48 +0000 UTC]

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SarpS [2018-10-09 16:05:34 +0000 UTC]

How did Armenians took our lands in there?

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SRegan In reply to SarpS [2018-10-09 18:47:19 +0000 UTC]

Soviet backing; the Soviets support an Armenia with Sykes-Picot borders as a way to project soft power past the Caucasus. Whether it should really be called 'East Turkey' at this size is another matter...

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SarpS In reply to SRegan [2018-10-10 03:51:29 +0000 UTC]

Oh well

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FlammenderStahl [2018-05-15 04:13:54 +0000 UTC]

It looks like East Prussia lost some land - why?

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SRegan In reply to FlammenderStahl [2018-05-15 18:27:45 +0000 UTC]

Almost half of East Prussia was put up for plebiscite IOTL; the change here being the Polish-majority language districts of that area were to be ceded without plebiscite, with the plebiscite in the remainder more in Poland's favour.

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Gujabesu [2018-04-21 07:49:23 +0000 UTC]

Heyo , i saw this map on Reddit and i really like the concept , would you mind if i made a hearts of iron 4 mod based on this map and the history you have provided?
Hearts of iron 4 is a grand strategy game about world war II and i think your map would look great in it.
btw , it is non-profit , i do not gain any money or funds.

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SRegan In reply to Gujabesu [2018-04-21 09:41:00 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - by all means please go ahead; would definitely be interesting to see something similar to this in HOI4!

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Gujabesu In reply to SRegan [2018-04-22 10:40:11 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the permission , yeah i just now started designing the states and thought you should know that there will be some/minimal changes , mainly because the game doesn't allow some of the borders due to provinces.

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Gujabesu In reply to Gujabesu [2018-04-22 14:26:14 +0000 UTC]

and some things like USE isn't allowed by game mechanics , but i'm making it as close to the map as possible!

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SRegan In reply to Gujabesu [2018-04-24 18:27:10 +0000 UTC]

Cheers - look forward to seeing what you come up with. The USE could work as a military alliance; or could potentially form up by event.

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Gujabesu In reply to SRegan [2018-06-03 18:10:21 +0000 UTC]

The development is going pretty well so far , we have a map , most of the portraits and we're currently working on the focus trees , do you have discord? if so , would you be interested in joining the mod's server? we're over 30 people.

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SRegan In reply to Gujabesu [2018-06-04 18:14:49 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - sounds really promising! Not too familiar with Discord but please do invite me if you wish: I'm @reganuk


Just as a warning though I have very little free time at the minute so likely won't be able to contribute much!

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Gujabesu In reply to SRegan [2018-06-06 06:17:13 +0000 UTC]

discord.gg/Xzx65eD follow this link , this is the server's invite link and it will take you directly to the server

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jacket98764 [2018-03-04 01:46:30 +0000 UTC]

what is the political situation of france in that timeline?.

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SRegan In reply to jacket98764 [2018-03-04 08:47:50 +0000 UTC]

I don't entirely remember - obviously they got significantly less of their 'wants' out of WW1 (A-L but no Saarland, no demilitarised Rhineland, no permanent Anschluss clause, and with less territory in the division of the Ottoman empire, albeit greater soft power in a larger Syria). I don't recall why I depicted an independent Morocco - possibly this was intended to suggest French weakness. I can easily see a France which is resentful of British influence over the outcome of WW1, perhaps with Perfidious Albion starring in their own stab-in-the-back myth.

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tiger107 [2017-07-10 00:09:24 +0000 UTC]

Interesting timeline! Nice work on making it!

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Mind-of-Metal [2017-06-20 09:08:29 +0000 UTC]

lmfao there would have been more Croats in Serbia than Croatia

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SRegan In reply to Mind-of-Metal [2017-06-20 20:47:52 +0000 UTC]

Most likely! This is more or less the territory the Entente promised them in 1915 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_o… ). From what I've read at the time there wasn't much distinction drawn between the groups of the region in Entente (or indeed CP) military planning.

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Arminius1871 [2016-06-28 12:13:00 +0000 UTC]

Seems to be a bit more fair, also when not all of Sudetenland became independant^^ At least Ukraine became semi independant.

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someone1fy [2016-06-28 06:22:59 +0000 UTC]

The location of Kaliningrad is really strange.

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SRegan In reply to someone1fy [2016-06-28 20:24:26 +0000 UTC]

There was definitely some weirdness with the basemap I used for this - check out Georgia (which includes precisely no Georgia). That said, I the different shape was intended to reflect a different outcome in the East Prussia plebiscite .

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someone1fy In reply to SRegan [2016-06-28 23:50:26 +0000 UTC]

I see.

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Paragini [2016-04-26 18:00:18 +0000 UTC]

This is a fascinating and well done map. I am of Serbian background, in fact I'm a member of the Chetnik's in exile.
When the Serb's agreed to create Yugoslavia, that was the biggest mistake in ourΒ  history, which is still unresolved to this day.
Although seeing what might have been is nice even if it does represent our national failure.

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SRegan In reply to Paragini [2016-04-26 19:07:37 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - this map wasn't intended to reflect any particular political viewpoint, but was only an attempt at constructing an alternate post-WW1 settlement that might have defused WW2 as we know it, even if it would no doubt have created numerous other problems. I don't pretend to have an in-depth knowledge of Balkan politics so I'm pleased it seems at least plausible.

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zalezsky [2015-06-03 19:39:14 +0000 UTC]

Georgia isnt in Georgia xD but great map

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SRegan In reply to zalezsky [2015-06-03 21:13:09 +0000 UTC]

... So it isn't. Well spotted that man. The original map didn't have subdivisions for the Soviet Union so I must have freehanded them in. I probably drew the northern border for what became Armenia intending it to be the southern border for the USR, then 'realised' I had to add Georgia.

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zalezsky In reply to SRegan [2015-06-03 22:02:53 +0000 UTC]

I've done similar mistakes all the time just thought i should point it out, I like when people actually take the time to look through a map. Great style as well!

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menapia [2014-12-03 20:55:30 +0000 UTC]

How would Carpatho-Ruthenia become independent? in our timeline their declaration of independence only lasted 24 hours until the neighbours' sent in the army. Β Also would one of the Hapsburgs be the Prince since one of them was a Rutheniaphile with an insterest in it's culture and he spoke the language fluently.

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SRegan In reply to menapia [2014-12-09 19:39:23 +0000 UTC]

It would have to be under the protection of one or more other powers. Making it effectively a no-man's land between Slovakia and Hungary that neither wants to risk war over is one way - making it a formal protectorate of Poland would be another. A Hapsburg prince seems likely and would also tie the principality to German interests.

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McDrow [2014-11-23 18:14:06 +0000 UTC]

I don't want to be rude, but Slovakia couldn't exists as independent state in 1918. They didn't have almost any industry back then, they were really poor. (No offence to Slovaks) Plus I don't understand why they own part of Moravia (Czech republic) They just never owned that territory. In 1918 Slovaks knew that they will be either part of Czechoslovakia or Hungary, they weren't strong enough to be independent state. In fact even real Czechoslovakia had bigΒ financial crisis. (well not just financial...)
But otherwise it's really nice map, good job!

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Rodegas In reply to McDrow [2014-12-02 20:18:54 +0000 UTC]

gibΒ SlovΓ‘cko Β xD

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McDrow In reply to Rodegas [2014-12-02 20:25:53 +0000 UTC]

Slovakia STRONK!

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Rodegas In reply to McDrow [2014-12-03 13:34:47 +0000 UTC]

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SRegan In reply to McDrow [2014-11-23 21:51:10 +0000 UTC]

Fair enough - and the same probably goes double for Carpatho-Ruthenia, which I was reliably informed on Alt-Hist.com basically had no way to feed itself and would be annexed by either Hungary or Slovakia in short order. I did this map some time ago and am struggling to recall why part of Moravia got assigned to Slovakia; it might have been an attempt to bulk it up into a viable state, or more likely the basemap was wonky and I just copied it

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Todyo1798 [2014-11-22 18:52:14 +0000 UTC]

Is Croatia also under Italian protection?

Also I see that the USE decided to hold the British to their promise of a Border Commission for Ireland, nice to see that they've managed to chuck off the Free State moniker too.

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SRegan In reply to Todyo1798 [2014-11-22 20:37:32 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - Croatia was to be under joint Italo-Hungarian protection; it's fairly important to the latter as their guaranteed sea access.

Ireland wasn't something I'd fully thought through (likewise Finland and Morocco which were just butterfly-y changes) but good call on the Irish Boundary Commission.

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Todyo1798 In reply to SRegan [2014-11-28 00:28:35 +0000 UTC]

I'm almost tempted to put this scenario to the Paradox forum as a potential Hearts of Iron mod.

They need three alliance systems though. So the USE, Comintern (the Russians could easily play a big bad here under the right circumstances), and another one. Maybe a Japanese group, a peace more favourable towards Germany may lead to an angrier Japan.

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SRegan In reply to Todyo1798 [2014-11-28 18:29:31 +0000 UTC]

An interesting idea - the international zones might be a bit difficult to represent through. Germany still lost its Pacific colonies to Japan, but I'd presume that the Nichi-Ei breaks down as OTL, so we could still see an expansionist Japan. China would be interesting - would Germany still help the Guomindang, or would the Guominjun do better given they probably still get Soviet backing?

I have a very small amount of experience doing HOI2 mods - I was working on the Vatican for the Darkest Hour E3 Map Project, adding officials, research groups and events such as Mit Brennender Sorge, but my lack of bug-fixing chops combined with the fact that the E3 mod is still unfinished means that I gave up.

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Todyo1798 In reply to SRegan [2014-11-28 22:35:11 +0000 UTC]

I guess one option could include Germany going rogue under a chauvinistic military government and abandoning the USE. Β Your treaty does remove a lot of the territorial stupidity, but it replaces it with a few outright insults that will probably smart at German nationalists for a long time. Β Hence I get the feeling that either Germany will end up either as the friendly neutralized industrial heart of Europe, or a quasi-Fascist nightmare of pomposity and headaches for the Brits and Germans, which would make for an interesting game if they were to say attempt to rearm, or refuse to assist in a war against the Soviets.

Under that sort of government I could easily see Germany escalating any tensions in Asia by deliberately constructing a blue water navy to try and sell arms to the Chinese. Β Which would piss off the Japanese and Russians, who would in turn accuse Britain and France of using Germany as a catspaw. Β Could make a very interesting Three Front war in China, a good change from the usual European fuckery.

I have literally no idea how to code, so I've always been too worried to try and implement any of my mod ideas. Β I did have one for expanding Ireland's history and events in Kaiserreich, and I like the idea of trying to mod TSWW for either CK2 or EU4.

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