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HRE vs Byzantine – a battle of the Roman successors!There was always a lot of tension between these two in regards to the title of 'Rome'. Byzantine was the obvious choice by way of culture and society, but as he did not possess the city of Rome, many did not see him as a true 'successor', instead referring to him as the "Empire of the Greeks". This wasn't disputed so much by his allies in the East, who would continue to call him Rome. The Holy Roman Empire, meanwhile, was obliged to add "Holy" to his name to avoid any nasty complications. Even the title of 'Emperor' caused some dispute, and the tensions between these two sides would run on for many years, worsened by the Great Schism. Some held hopes that one day the empires could be united, alas, it was not to be.
Obviously this Byzantine is an OC – even with volume 3, there's still no confirmation on who they are. In this case, he is Rome and ancient Greece's son, placed in charge of the Eastern part of the Roman Empire towards the end of his father’s life. He is shrewd and serious, preferring to settle his disputes with words rather than by arms. Regardless, he is very strong in battle, having a number of tricks up his sleeve. He is deeply religious, and has a great appreciation for art. A master manipulator, he is also known to throw money at his problems rather than deal with them using force.
Not sure how accurate Byzantine's footwear is here (using medieval art for reference), but hopefully nothing is too out of place
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Lol, it's a lot better than saying "OMG I know them from hetalia!"
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yeah XD actually, I had learned about the HRE after I watched Hetalia, but not about the Byzantine side of the Church
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I learned about this before, pretty interesting subjects.
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LOVE both your design & description for Byzantine! Plus this image is just totally adorable
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This is amazing! I love how stubborn they both look, and the eagles in the background~
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SHINSEI ROMA YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Byzantine: I could squash you like a fucking bug right now....
HRE: Humph!
So freaking cute.
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oh yeah, battle for my name losers~
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Ladies and Gentlemen! In this corner represnting the HRE, Otto (named after the first HR emperor and a common name in the HRE nobility) and in the other corner representing the Byzantine Empire, Constantine (the most common name in Byzantine nobility, and also the inspiration for the Empire's capitol,[Constantinople=Constantine's City]). Let the Battle for Rome begin!
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Great job on this - I love HRE's little pout.
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holy roman empire looks like rome and germania had an ocward love child, and he was a migit. but its all good cus hes so hugabul
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Wow, what a glare!
That looks more like me trying to babysit children...
It's a very lovely picture. ^^
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I know that it's ur OC, but isn't Byzantine supposed to be Byzantium?
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In what sense? Byzantium was the original name of the city of Constantinople - the capital of the Byzantine Empire. It was renamed when the Roman Empire was divided into East and West.
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*=/ Thinking face...* Idk, haha! I was kind of thinking that the nations were named after their actual, physical geographical place on the map.
i.e - Byzantium was the center of the Byzantine Empire (That was hard to type out...) so... Byzantium? Personally, I don't remember where my train of thought was going that day... And my arms are tired now... *Waits to read reply*
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While it looks like HRE doesn't stand a chance, things didn't exactly turn out like the curb-stomp battle it seems in this picture, or at least if I got my history right. Turkey defeats Byzantine in the 15th Century, while HRE dies at around the 18th (or did he?).
Since Byzantine is Grandpa Rome's son, something about Chibitalia royally screwing Turkey seems to hint that it was an act of unstoppable rage at killing a family member.
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I love your concept art of Byzantine and the way how you actually drew this. It's so hilarious and yet I SO see this happening!!
You know how this could be even funnier than it already is? If Byzantine fathered Veneziano and Romano before the Empire was divided and HRE is really bickering endlessly with his beloved's dad. XD
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I liked chibi Holy Roman's pouty face soo much. Also your drawing is nice, neat and simple. Colours are great. faved.
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It does sound a little snappy to be honest, but i do that all the time and often regret it later... but sometimes i don't...
Anyway, sorry if i seemed to be trying to talk down to you... i kinda felt that you were doing the same thing to me in the beginning.... also i just get a lot of people who are entirely ignorant of ancient history.... a surprising number of people I'm acquainted with wouldn't even know what the Byzantine Empire is... though i didn't know that you already knew those things either...
No you didn't say Byzantium was used back then, i was trying to use that to back up my claim that the Russian Tsars also had a semi-valid claim to the title of "Rome". Also, yes Charlemange was considered something of a father to it, i never denied that. it just seemed to me like you were considering him to be a german Holy Roman Emperor which isn't true.
So... yeah... sorry i kinda caused an argument here, i really didn't mean to but also felt i had to defend my points... again, your pictures are pretty damn awesome, as are your concepts behind them. I really enjoy the ancients here but perhaps would suggest you also do some medieval ones some time too? (Yes, i know the HRE and Byzantium were more or less medieval... but others too... like Mongolia maybe?)
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Yeah, sorry again for that. Really not a good day. I find I usually go overboard in explanations when questioned or challenged. I in no way meant to speak down to you (though continuing the discussion, I still think I can make a case for Charlemagne being Germanic seeing as the Franks were just that. Granted with heavy Latin influences).
Putting all this behind us, thank you, I'm glad you like my OCs. As for medieval characters, I have also done a Kievan Rus'. I'm already fond of a friend's Mongolia OC, and I was considering doing a Hidekaz style chibi of him at some point in the near future.
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Awesome! I think the best representation of Byzantium i've seen anywhere! I also love what you did with the eagles in the background. But don't forget, Charlemagne, the Tsars, and the Ottoman Empire all claimed to be the successors to Rome as well.
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I would have thought Charlemagne counted as "Holy Roman Empire" considering he's usually thought to be the first of their emperors :'|a As for the Tsars - if you're referring to the Russian notion of Moscow being the "Third Rome", that was actually in succession to Byzantine rather than the original Western Empire (due to all that Eastern Orthodoxy business).
Glad you like the pic, though
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Charlemagne ruled a different Holy Roman Empire usually referred now to the Carolingian Empire, Frankish Empire or the Carolingian Dynasty. They were based in France as opposed to the later Holy Roman Empire which at first consisted only of a group of German principalities. As for the Tsars: Well the name "Byzantine Empire" is one coined primarily by historians, both the citizens of the Empire, and the majority of its neighbors either called it Eastern Rome or just Rome. So when the Tsars claimed this they often felt that they were still succeeding the original Roman Empire in many ways.
I understand why you used these two, and i'm not telling you you should stick the other "Roman Empires" in there. There was far more of a rivalry between the Germanic Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire than the others.
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Not feeling too great, so apologies in advance if this sounds snappy (it just seems that you're bringing up things I am already aware of as though I am ignorant):
Firstly - well aware of the naming issues, as you may note from the artist's description (at no point have I said Byzantine was used back then). Secondly - Yes, Charlemagne was the ruler of the Carolingian Empire, but he is still considered a 'father' of sorts to the Holy Roman Empire proper which succeeded it. As for your point on the Tsars - again, as said in the artist's description, the nations to the East clearly though of the Byzantine empire as the direct successor to the original western empire (so yes, they would have considered themselves a successor that way, but third in the line rather than directly).
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This is really cool. The concept is cool, too.
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haha really great!!
I am team Byzantine
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And then they both die and Russia sneaks behind and claims Moscow as the third Rome X3
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i luff how HRE is just peering up like, nuu!
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if they had united they would of probably reconquered the empire and the world today would be united...you can only dream
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Realy love their expressions~ and your colors~ <3 <3 <3
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Oh, little HRE... just look what you're up against...
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Epic! Awwwww wittle Holy Roman Empwire thinks he has a chance! Too cute!
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I love this picture so much. I love the composition of it and Byzantine's design. And HRE looks absolutely adorable. I don't know who to support in this case 
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It came out last week. There are some uploads around if you make search.
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You always make the greatest ancient OCs, I love them. <3
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Awesome! I love the design of Byzantine! You did a great job!
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As Voltaire said about HRE: "Neither Holy nor Roman nor Empire" XD
Nice Byzantium, I really like him!
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This is just too cute!
Love the character Design of Byzantine too ^-^
*faves*
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