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Took an hour off work and did this piece. So this is my interpretation of Sue's death, Sue is the largest specimen of Tyrannosaurus Rex ever found. I was supposed to name this piece 'Sue- fallen queen' but no one really knows whether Sue's a male or female.Her damaged bones indicate he/she was injured, the tendon in particular but I think the injuries didn't kill sue, he/she most likely died of infection. And now sue's being scavenged by small birds and flies
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Yes that i know. But the way some people potray them like pure birds is a bit to far for me. People tend to use the birds as reference but it should be the opposit.
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If you're thinking along the lines of "T. rex is too big for feathers", that doesn't work anymore. A T. rex may be as big as an elephant, but it's not built like one; had a much greater surface area and an avian respiratory system complete with air sacs (think of it as a solid block vs. a long, hollow cylinder). They've even done studies to see how much body heat a T. rex would generate and they found it was about the same as a 1 ton mammal. By all rights, T. rex would've had more trouble retaining heat than losing it. Hence, feathers.
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Absolutely not but i dont think there is a coat on the beast like he is potraying it with (personal opinion).
There is two pieces of that i know of where the neck and leg region area shows no indication of feathers ? One by mr Robert Detrich from Sam the t-rex and one of tarbosaurus. I would like to see the publication article of that study you talk about.
I never said it would be 100% scaly i just say there is yet not a single specimen with anything preserved and every paleoartist got their version and i believe some of them over exaggerating the amount of feathers with little to no evidence. Back in the 90´s everybody thought all dinosaurs were scaly eeh they were wrong, now 2016 everybody believes all theropods got a fluffy coat without any evidence on certain species.
I do believe the t-rex might have some sort of feathers, maybe the juveniles i dont know but the fully beast i still have my doubts.
Here is the publication by Phil Currie about the particular piece i refer too and here is a picture of it i had to upload because i could not link the other domain postimg.org/image/ktzxh0a7f/
Here's a image of a T.rex skin impression I discovered in the summer of 2001. I had Neal Larson send a sample to Phillip Currie to get his take on it, and I've enclosed his response. What's your thought's?
Feathers? Fur? Pin Feathers! Scales or skin??
Photo © Robert Detrich Pattern ™
February ll, 2002
Dear Neal:
Here are the impressions back with no clear decision. I
compared them with the impressions of tyrannosaur skin that
we have, and each tubercle/scale is slightly bigger and more
pronounced than on our skin. The shape of each tubercle/scale
on the piece you sent is also more radially symmetrical,
whereas ours is peaked towards one edge. My first impression
was that the pieces you sent are actually the infilling of
the surface texture of a trionychid turtle. However, looking
at them under the microscope suggests that the surface was in
contact with sediment rather than bone. Furthermore, the
undulating surface doesn’t match the turtle shell theory (I
would expect a natural mould should follow the almost flat
gentle curved surface of the turtle shell, although of course
the original turtle shell might be distorted). In short, I
don’t know It might be tyrannosaurid skin, but it is c
different from the patches that we have.
Cheers, Philip Currie
One difference between Yutrannus and T. rex is the climate in which they lived. Yutrannus is from China and lived in a colder climate with harsh winters (Amiot et al., 2011). Many dinosaurs in that region had filaments and other protofeather like structures (Amiot et al., 2011). Perhaps Yutrannus needed protofeathers for insulation, whereas T. rex did not. This does not rule out the possibility that T. rex supported feathers in only certain areas, or that juveniles had feather structures, but lost them as they aged. More specimens are required before this question can be fully answered.
He also potray some quills and knobs on the triceratops is that right or wrong ?
I think there is alot of assumptions, this one is quite interesting
markwitton-com.blogspot.se/201…
Btw sry for my english its not my second language.
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OK, so it had bare patches on its neck and legs. So? How does this work against feathers?
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OK, so it had bare patches on its neck and legs. So? How does this work against feathers? - I dont know you tell me ? I just said there is no evidence and yet no specimen with any feathers on the particular T-rex. If i turn the question around what evidence is there for t-rex to be fully coated? When some certain pieces shows scaly under the microscope and some ( for instance ) the chinese version have some preserved? I think the conclusion is people have to wait and see how much feathers it might have before making statements.
Since the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in the 1990's, it has become clear that many families of theropod dinosaurs had feathers, or at least, primitive feather like structures (protofeathers). Well known theropods such as velociraptor and microraptor had protofeathers. Tyrannosaurus is a very large theropod, so could it have also had feathers? To answer this question, one needs to look at the Tyrannosaur family and see if any of its relatives had feathers.
As it turns out, in 2004, a theropod named Dilong paradoxus was discovered in China (Xu X. et al 2004). Dilong, a small 1.6 m theropod, was found to be covered in protofeathers; the "feathers" looked like hair like strands (Xu X. et al 2004). Dilong is also considered to be a distant member of the Tyrannosaurid family that lived 65 million years before T. rex. This means protofeathers are present in Tyrannosaurus' family tree.
Later, in 2012, Xu X. described another nearly complete feathered Tyrannosaur relative named Yutyrannus huali (Beautiful Feathered Tyrant). This theropod is a little younger in age, about 125 million years old, and is more closely related to T. rex than Dilong. What's interesting about Yutrannus is that it's 30 foot in length. Although it's still smaller than T. rex, it's the largest feathered theropod yet discovered. The simple feathers on Yutrannus are not well preserved, but they are up to 8 inches long and may have covered most of the body (Xu X. et al, 2012). This discovery showed that even large theropods could have feathers, or feather like structures.
However, as tantalizing as it is, one cannot conclude that T. rex had protofeathers. A well preserved T. rex specimen found in 2002 named "Wyrex" (BHI 6230) was found with some small associated skin impressions. The impressions clearly show scales; no feather or hair like structures are seen. In places on the body where Yutrannus showed feather structures, T. rex only showed scales. So, it can be concluded that T. rex was not covered in protofeathers.
For the record i still believe the juveniles definitly have some sort of feathers and lost it with age how much percent of they lost or w/e i dont know its just my speculation.
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Nice effort, I've seen people comment the same thing on other people's work depicting a feathered rex. So just to not get tired of doing the same explaining, I'll just put the link to this video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM5JN_… don't ignore it, please watch it til the end and enjoy
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y. Mr raph04art is there any particular specimen out there with feathers preserved just tell me that, dont ignore it ? I dont ignore anything but you concluding its fully covered with actually no physical proof. He also claims feathers is covering certain sauropods wich is utterly wrong statement. I gladly accept it but i still doubt the way you potray it, to much of it and thats just a opinion. I do definitly agreed it might spot some sort of feathers or quills idk.
And i dont disclaim anything i just say wait until there is real proof before making statements with the exact amount of feathers covering. You basically potray it like a mammoth and yet he claims in the video there is no direct evidence except cousins and other theropods spots them.
I cant wait til there will be a specimen that can truly show the real truth. How much feathers and so what kind! And also if there is any difference even within the species t-rex.
Did you even noticed he said " for the time beeing this is the right way to potray the rex" but time will tell ? And that is exactly what ive been saying all the time. Cant jump to conclusion without any physical real evidence. It might be right it might be wrong.
But as for now we can potray it with feathers or plumage until we know more. And i said i dont believe the amount of the rex have so much as you have on your pictures but that is just a personal opinion nothing else.
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I've seen Sue's fossils before in person--she/he was one friggin big lizard
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More like a big bird.
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Damn. That's sad. I think she died a long a cliff.... you can see if you watch dinosaur 13 on netflix. It's about the struggle to rights of Sue and complicated law stuff.
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Sue died on a seasonal streambed. I guess the bones were found on a cliff 67-66 million years later and the environment has changed.
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Oh. How do you know about the stream?
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yep watched it on nova
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So little dinos can eat dinos 100 times their size!
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of course, when they found one dead. It's free food after all.
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Amazing tribute and work of art. Very interesting subject matter, too. Great job!
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Ah, I remember seeing Sue's skeleton a few years back. Nicely detailed, you really captured a magnificent mood.
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A somber but normal scene for their time. This is awesome. The colors and the environment are well done, the effects are good, and it really gives one the feel of the pic. Great job.
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Sue...
Wait, was 'she' destroyed in WW2?
I know something happened to 'her'.
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you're talking about the then only fossil bones of Spinosaurus, and that was in Germany. Sue was discovered in 1990, in South Dakota
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Well, there was something about Sue, but that was a lot legal stuff, which ended in her being auctioned off. She is now at he Field Museum.
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wow!!
yeah I do remember hearing of Sue.... o.o
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This is incredible for just an hour *u* I love that you made your own little theory on how Sue died :3 (Is off to look at more of your dino art)
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I still vaguely remember a documentary I watched as a kid detailing Sue's discovery; this brings back very fond memories. Very well done.
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Her damaged bones indicate he/she was injured, the tendon in particular but I think the injuries didn't kill sue, she most likely died of infection. And now sue's being scavenged by small birds and flies
You know what I'm gonna this same comment on the description.
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she was eaten alive by raptor parrots 
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