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Published: 2012-05-24 11:38:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 4535; Favourites: 51; Downloads: 64
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Always wanted to say this - it doesn't MATTER if Cis people 'get it' or not, not being bigoted is all you have to do.Related content
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You have never observed any other animal or small child. Sapient = humanoid What does bodyplan have to do with the ability to recognise one's self as such? What humans with autism, down syndrome, or brain damage?
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Your shifting to tangental sides because your arguement was wrong but you don't want to admit it, admit error on ants and most animals andΒ I shall answer your question.
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I was trying a diffrent tack, because you weren;t understanding.
If you are going to insist , "It's OK to insult them because they don't understand (like I do)," then go crawl back under your christian rock.
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No I got your point it was just gibberish.
That sentance was incoherant, are you conceeding what you call them is irrelivant.
Β As a side I'm not a Christian.
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No, it wasn't.
How? It says more about your mental state and character then their intelligence.
You sound like one, and, possibly, also a New Englaner.
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No it really wasnt, seriously go re-read them.
You just admitted that they don't register what you call them genrally
So you're a bigot against Christians and new englanders, that's good to know. certainly helps put context on what you're saying.
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Don's tease the flytraps, it is mean. Have you ever met either? If you mean, "I have been hurt by this group," you can add Freud and his followers. You sure seem to have a vested interest here. So, if "they" is proper for humans, and "it" is improper, then the same is true for nonhumans.
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That was complete gibberish.....do you have some sort of cognitive issue?
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No, but I'm starting to think you have one.
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Hmmm, well nontheless you havnt really been able to back up anything you've said so far. Pretty much all your premises are absurd and you had to completely change tact rather than back down so this is getting embarrassing. Animals don't care about pronouns and you havnt been able to assert this.
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If scientific studies are not back up enough, there is no hope for you.
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Well you provided one study, of questionable quality which was more about your arguement about all animals being sapient rather than arguing about pronouns. Something the article itself conceeded. Pretty much everything else you've provided is either anecdotal, an low key insult or tangental.Β you have nothing.
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Word of advice I wouldn't put much more effort into this with her. She's as closed minded as you can humanly come, has little to no knowledge of what she is trying to argue and eventually this will devolve into what can hardly be considered intelligent conversation and result to empty threats, insults and random nonsense that makes you wonder if their brain shut off at some point.Β
After 2 years she came back after me for an image of Final Fantasy 7 where my character was wearing a red arm band with the company logo on it.. insisting it was Nazi symbolism. She like with you is providing false or inaccurate 'proof' and plugging her ears when real proof is given. She has now dissolved with me to name calling, threats to report the work (with no backing) and is spewing on about rules that don't actually exist on DA and well..yeah.. i only keep my side going because it's entertaining watching her twist herself around in knots.Β Β
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Yeah she's pretty stupid, but I'm only engaging as sort of mental job. Keep the synapses sharp. I don't expect to get anywhere with her because like pretty much everyone else online she'll never ever admit to being wrong.
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Yeah kinda of what i'm doing, it has been years since I let my inner troll out and she's making it to damn easy.Β
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She's actually quite interesting to speak with since she comes out with things so moronic that I don't actually anticipate them.
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yeah she's starting to hit me with those too, you just can't help but stare and wonder if she's a really good troll.. or if she is really just that moronic.Β
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If they are selfaware, they have capacity to care.
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But they have never displayed the capacity to give a single shit about this subject-ever. you are catagorically wrong about this and have nothing to back your stance up.
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I suppose you believe earth is the only possible habited planet in the universe? This human supremacy really baffles me.
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It baffles me that you think a tangent about space aliens is relavent to discussion. We have never encountered aliens so you may as well be speculating on what Angels and pixies prefered pronouns are for the relavence it has to the subject.
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You must have been a real joy in school.
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Octopus are very intelligent and seem to be sapient -their is no indication they care about pronouns.
You seems incredably passive aggresive It's probably worth noting that you're quicker to insult than acknowlague you made a bad point.Β Maybe the space aliens told you to change the subject?
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I'm getting ticked off. Passive-aggressive? I don't know how to do that. If you want full aggression, I can start swearing? Whether someone cares is an individual thing, regardless of species. Back to the beginning. Why is "it" as a pronoun degrading for humans, but OK for other beings?
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I don't care that you're getting ticked off-we've been at this for a while and so far all we've got is you prattling about hypothetical aliens and the fact you don't like people from New england. Yeah I figure we're about 2-4 posts from you getting really nasty since you're arguement is terrible
Because they don't care. You can't degrade them because their frames of referances don't apply.Β It'd be like me saying your a shitty christian even thought we've established your a bigot against them.
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I'm not Christian. :blink: I've said that's not it. If 99% of M&M's were poisoned, wouldn't you avoid them? I suppose you'd tell me I'm racist against garlic?! The intent of an action carries as much weight as the result. Trees don't have emotions in the same manner as animals, but carving your name into them still does the same damage.
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Exactly and the fact you don't understand the point is illustrative. I'll talk you through it-if I call you a shitty christian you don't care right?Β it doesnt hurt you because the frame of referance fails understand? So if I refer to an animal as 'it' It doesnt really care-like you don't care if someone calls you a bad christian.....do you understand?
Intent is a bad arguement in this situation, humans know that the animals don't care so it doesnt carry any clout either in intent or application. I can call the tree "Dog shit mountain" all the day long and it doesnt care. I'd even Your morality from this perspective is performative rather than sincere since its more about your own self-perception than effect or even intent.
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Anything with a few braincells to click together has emotions.
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Yes but the grand total of species which give a shit about pronouns is 1-us. I also noticed you dropped all your points again rather than admit error.
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I am tired of arguing, especially with someone that refuses to listen.
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I've heard everything you've said and it's all bollocks-you honestly used hypocthetical aliens as an example. You just either the wit to argue your point if I'm wrong or as seems more likely you're wrong but lack the self-awareness personal integrity to realize error.
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Anything with a few braincells to click together has emotions.
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Emotions are not the same as intellect or complex abstract idea's. Doggo's primary concearn are a good meal, cuddles and a nice bed. He will not nor will he ever give a single fuck about pronouns.
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Yes, and the earth is flat and the center of the universe, in which we are utterly alone.
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Irellivant tangent because your arguement is terrible. The stars could be full of lovecraftian horrors or star trek rubber head squad but the dog will never give a single shit about pronouns.Β Furthermore we cannot model our pronouns on hypothetic space aliens for the same reasons I don't plan my day on the assumption of their immediate arrival.
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It it has been demonstrated that birds care and have emotions, why would other animals not?
Your brain must be very unnimble.
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Yes we'veΒ been through this,animals do have emotions but they show zero indications that they give a single shit about pronounds.
A petulant hypocritical statement considering we've been through this point around 3 times now and you have really come up with a rebuttal to it. You are simply repeating yourself and getting childish because you're arguement is terrible. We going to discuss the Aliens again now?
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You have no proof that every other human around you is sentient. We could all just as well be robots built specifically to simulate your life and you have no way of proving or disproving that.
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Yes that's roughly the issue of the philisophical zombie and a How do I know it's real is a hop topic with philosophers.
Assuming you're not a complete idiot the correct response is obvious-we cannot be sure but we can take an educated guess and overall evidence indicates people are simular in nature to me and my own existance.
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Β Naturally I'm sure you're going to explain how this ties in with pronouns?
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Ugh. I'm cis and this is what I keep trying to explain to my mother about our trans* relative: you don't have to understand! You just have to accept. D: *grumblegrumble* This was really well said, in other words.
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Ugh. I'm humansexual and this is what I keep trying to explain to my mother about our animalfucker* relative: you don't have to understand! You just have to accept. D: *grumblegrumble* This was really well said, in other words.
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have a cis hetero father and me being anything besides a strait gender conformist as far as sexuality we just cant see eye 2 eye
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Exactly this!
I am cis, and sure I understand the science behind it, but really all anyone needs
is
to
just
be a decent person to others. "Proof" isn't needed. Respect is.
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Oh share away and spread the message, that's what it's for!
PS: It's here if you're interested in reblogging: [link] (or you could upload it yourself, as you wish 
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Co-sign. Mind if I share on Tumblr? I'm trans* too
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