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Always wanted to say this - it doesn't MATTER if Cis people 'get it' or not, not being bigoted is all you have to do.Related content
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Agreed, the door swings both ways however. So lose the Cis.
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Personally I say we should all shut the fuck up and get along. Because love and acceptance prevents war and pain.Β
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I think it runs both ways. I've been flat out called a bigot for being a cis-male, who is only into cis-females.
I've been ranted at for mistakenly using the wrong pronoun to describe a fictional character of a webcomic.
Some of us are ignorant to queer-gender issues, simply because we weren't really exposed to it growing up.
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I'm running from my own Magnets at this point
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We need a few more pronouns!
I address people by their preference, but they have to tell me.
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Otherwise I will just guess.
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I was referring to the first statement.
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Yes, as there are only three.
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Β there's only two actuallyΒ but how many would you suggest?
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She it, and he. 3
we need one for those who are both.
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I suggest se/sim/ser/simself.
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It is not a very commonly used pronoun as transgenders and those who fall under the term transgender find it offensive. I think you mean them.
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"It" is OK for pets
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Do we? It is almost never used because of it's dehumanizing overtones. Hemaphrodites are so rare it's debatable if it's neccisary.
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Well some aren't human, but I was talking about people who consider themselves non-binary.
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Β Not human? elaborate. Same thing, most genuine non-binary are exceptionally rare. Most are just western young adults with self-actualization issues.
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Just how young ARE you?!
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Well that's totally off topic but 28.
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You seem to have been absent from biology class.
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Non-binary is a social contruct not a biological one.
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Are you being obtuse?
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Are you? Alternatively you could simply negate my stances rather than going for rhetorical questions.
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I've been on this planet for 3 decades and I still don't understand humans.
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I do now answer the damned question.
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You won't understand the answer.
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Seems unlikely-let's find out.
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Why is "it" OK for pets?
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Mostly because the pet doesnt give a single shit. It doesnt think that way and can't speak our language.
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No they don't, pets can understand emotional reactions and trained wrote phrases. They do not understand the deeper meanings of words. If you have a pet says the nastyest vilest shit you can think of to your pet in a soothing tone while doing things which re-assures it and see what I mean.
Β It also doesnt really have the psychological sophistication required to be degraded as a person on that level. You can't make say a dog feel less of person because it doesnt really think of the world that way. Suffering has to be direct and doesnt work in abstract.Β It's why none of them care they can't vote for example.
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Β And I'm genuinly embarissed by how shocking naive you are, do you genuinly believe your pets understand abstract concepts?
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Yes. Look up Alex the parrot. My first baby would bite you if you called her a cat. I have had many since, and they all have reached sentience.
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Alex is pretty interesting, their's some solid abstract problem solving but it's pretty clear alex doesnt grasp language. At best he's using a simple communication system of key phrases-something his trainer states. Furthermore criticism of the study suggest the possibility of no deeper learning than operant conditioning.
Β I assume your 'baby' is a cat, in which case i'd suggest it biting you is pretty standard behavoir for a cat. I'd also suggest that biting people for an abritrary reason isnt really an indication of intelligence-quite the opposite.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropoβ¦
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Are you a religetable or something? I can tell you she did not like being called a cat, birdy once asked, "What colot am I?" Surly, that shows thought, whether he bothered to become fluent in English. I suppose you believe it's impossible there are other living worlds in the universe.
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Well religetable isnt a word so I can't really say. She may have been engaging in learnt reponse -where you petting her when you called her that? Because in all likelyhood she was just biting you because she's an animal?Β Β I hanvnt seen anything which indicates Alex could contruct new words to query thing-not in the least since it contridicts his trainer says about his speech.
Β I'm not sure what Aliens has to do with this, unless you're worried about faux passes with the Greys?
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It's from Saturday Night Live
youtu.be/VUKs8TCbbx8
You really are being obstinate. Why do you so adamantly believe other animals are inferior?
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Inferior is the wrong word as that applies human standards and concepts, animals are as intelligent as they need to be. But yes I'm certainly insisting they're no where near as smart as we are, usually arnt sapient and certainly don't give a single shit about gender nouns.
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Humanshaped and selfaware are not the same thing and the former is not mandatory for the latter. You come off as a bigot. People are calling opportunity her and princess.
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Correct but animals are genrally not sapient and they certainy do not care about pronouns. You come off as someone who spends too much time on Tumblr. That last sentance made no sense.
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The rover on Mars. Why does a robot get a gender but pets do not? Animals in the wild probably have no such concept, but companion animals do, even ants are sentient.
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Well the Rover on mars is anthromphised we give it affectionate terms because we project onto it same with pets. Neither care about pronounds. No they don't ants are certainly not sentient.
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www.reddit.com/r/todayilearnedβ¦
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*Citation needed, check out the notes on the page .[19] [ dubious β discuss ]
The page itself also comments on some of the problems with the test.
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False negatives (i.e something that is self-aware, sees the dot, and just doesn't care) do exist, the significance comes from the fact that false positives (i.e something scratching the dot when it really isn't self-aware) are virtually non-existent. Especially when done in situations with and without a mirror and compare the results.
If it scratches with or without a mirror, the paint might just be an irritant. (Confounding result)
If it scratches with a mirror but not without, it is likely self-aware. (Positive result)
If it doesn't scratch at all, it either isn't self-aware (Negative result) or simply doesn't care (False negative result)
The issue comes with determining true negatives from false negatives. Of the children who were 18 months or younger, most of them passed the test. But of the few that didn't, they are an example of false negatives; they simply don't care enough to react or don't recognize the dot as being different/unusual, or a number of other things with the general theme of indifference/ignorance.
Edit: wording for clarity
Double edit: regarding cats (as this keeps coming up), there's a difference between not being able to recognize themselves in the mirror and outright refusing to participate. Because cats tend to do that. Now I acknowledge that means other species could also just outright refuse to participate, but that's just another example of a false negative. It's not a perfect test, guys, and it's in the nature of cats to do whatever the hell they want."
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I don't know, I don't care, I don't understand, is incapable of understanding. A wild animal has no knowledge of such concepts, a domestic or familiarized animal knows but may not care, a nonsentient is in capable of caring.
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Now you're just arguing via bullheadedness and getting tangental. You're just engaging in wishful thinking. Animals arnt as smart as us and genrally arnt sapient-it doesnt dimminish their worth.
Β However it does mean they don't give a toss about pronouns.
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