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Description ...and then when she hangs up the phone, they complain about a media blackout.
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Knuklez [2016-08-01 21:21:59 +0000 UTC]

Gamergater are pretty chill tbh

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omnisodium [2016-05-04 18:48:20 +0000 UTC]

I thought you were against censorship? I'm glad to see you've bought the neoprogressive propaganda. These corporate tools are not your allies. Wake the fuck up. 
You clearly don't know a fucking thing about gamer-gate or the cronyism the thirdwave media engages in. I mean, look to your own deplatforming comic and you'll see the problem with these idiots. 
It's like saying that because one protestor throws a brick, the grievances of everyone protesting are illegitimate. Man, I thought you were more intelligent than this. 
I know they are feminists and it's weird not to just blindly side with them for us, but the third wavers are censorship loving corporate puppets who mislead and defraud their readership with cronyism. 

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PatrioticParot [2015-12-17 14:28:49 +0000 UTC]

Americans are fucking stupid.

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Cochegara [2015-08-29 11:14:21 +0000 UTC]

Come on, those wimpy dorks too weak to defeat a woman in a fight.

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kyrtuck [2015-07-16 14:07:44 +0000 UTC]

"oh I hate people calling me a terrorist"

*proceedes to call people Jihadists*

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Boneguy [2015-06-13 06:37:48 +0000 UTC]

OK. But you know what anti-gamergate does?
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halkeye20 [2015-06-03 19:08:44 +0000 UTC]

i disagree with this photo

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zoeblo In reply to halkeye20 [2015-09-24 13:56:59 +0000 UTC]

anyone who knows that even media can lie does

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DeathCloud666 [2015-05-02 21:02:29 +0000 UTC]

Whoa, comments are not  disabled.  That's some thing. 

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hibbledjibble [2015-04-12 19:43:59 +0000 UTC]

I can't say I fully like either group, but this is way too inaccurate and exactly why I prefer GamerGate as the lesser of two evils. GG may be cringey with their MS Paint diagrams and overly dramatic speeches, but at least their arguments are somewhat based in reality.

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TanishaTG [2015-04-12 00:19:48 +0000 UTC]

I'll take things that never happened for $300.

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DJHiryu508 [2015-03-05 17:23:08 +0000 UTC]

I don't even know what gamergate is, why it exists, and why or even IF I should care about it.

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ARCN7 In reply to DJHiryu508 [2015-11-27 09:46:35 +0000 UTC]

That is what all ordinary people on the Internet think. But GG has a talent for being loud and stubborn.
And when I say to them, "Shut the fuck up, nobody cares about Games Journalism, our Government is trying to start imperialist wars at this moment.", after the Internet pushes that movement into my face 24/7, I get called SJW, Anti-Gamergate or 'Jihadi-Feminist' by them.

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Louis-the-Hedgehog [2015-03-04 22:29:29 +0000 UTC]

Not all gmergaters are like this. In fact gamergaters are harassed more often. But of course the media doesn't care about the whole spectrum of the truth, just what gets attention.

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thormemeson [2015-01-13 02:09:40 +0000 UTC]

You have no clue what you're on about how cute. What is wikipedia your source?

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345rv5 [2015-01-01 01:36:28 +0000 UTC]

You just jumped the shark with me when you're supporting Anit GamerGate you Anarcho COmmunist Hipster fake. How can you even claim to be an Anachro Communist when you support corporate cronyism.Seriously buddy, go fuck yourself.

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RednBlackSalamander In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-01 04:23:24 +0000 UTC]

Oh my God, get over yourself. What on Earth makes you think that I would give a damn what an MRA sympathizer thinks about me or my work? If you don't like it, don't read it. But quit making all these melodramatic comments about how you've turned your back on me, because I do. Not. Care. If you would really ask how someone can be a feminist and an anarchist, then you are so ignorant of history, politics, and reality that your opinion of my cartoons isn't one that I'm going to lose any sleep over.

Now why don't you go outside or read a book or something.

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zoeblo In reply to RednBlackSalamander [2015-01-01 23:47:12 +0000 UTC]

if you don't want to argue don't start a shitstorm

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345rv5 In reply to RednBlackSalamander [2015-01-01 05:54:55 +0000 UTC]

Says the hypocrite supporting the Capitalist known as Anita Sareiksann, don't get me started on your vast hypocrisy and stupidity bitch. You seriously disappoint me, for all this bravado of being an Anchro Communist, you're full of shit . Also given how radicalized and destructive modern Feminism is, i much rather support the MRA than support morons like you. Seriously for all this talk of Anarchy from you, you're pretty much a conformist hipster bitch nigga who would support capitalism if Feminists did it. I don't expect a Mangina drone liek you to understand, i'm just appalled by your massive level of hypocrisy and stupidity.

I didn't turn my back on you, you betrayed yourself no sooner you start spewing this Radical Feminist bullshit. You betrayed yourself motherfucker, you're not a true Anachro Communist, you're a Right Wing Neo Nazi douchebag that supports a sexist Misandric, Misogynistic cult that is known as Feminism. A bitch ass nigga like you have no idea what true Anchro COmmunism looks like or even understand it but allow me to edcuate a dumbfuck like you what Communism and Anacrhism is about.

Anarchism is the rejection of all Hierarchies and all ideologies, that includes Feminism you dumbass bitch.Anarchy is "No Gods, No Masters" , how can you be against government yet be for the ultimate ideology of big government ? You're such a brainwashed tool. I don't need some slacked jaw retard who took one too many gender studies course trying to lecture someone who actually majored in history and politics as well as archtecirucal engineering to tell me what ideologies mean.

Hell let me educate you on what Anarcha Feminism actually means since you're clearly too pighsit stupid to realize what it means. Anarcha Feminism is actually Anarcho Capitalism, you know, the very thing you preach against as corrupt and evil.



Writer Wendy McElroy sited, " Ifeminism or individualist feminism, combines feminism with anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism."

She continues by arguing, "That a pro-capitalist, anti-state position implies equal rights and empowerment for women."

Recently in the United States anarcha-feminist circles coined the term "Manarchist" as a pejorative label for male anarchists.

It had been noted that anarcha-feminism is dismissive of third world feminist views and oppressions. This was especially apparent in the fight of the anarcha-feminist in the Middle East, as there issues were not taken in to consideration.


So in short, you're a complete fucking moron and Hypocrite who doesn't realize that by supporting Feminism which is a National Socialist cult at this point given they're both Communism when it comes to wanting the state to subsidize their victimhood and Capitalist for exploiting victimhood and and Anarchist , you're basically an Anarcho Capitalist by your own definition. Hell by the very definition of  Anachra Feminism, it's a Anachro Capitalist movement and you you consider yourself an Anachro Communist which is double fail. However relax, i don't think you're an Anachro Communist or an Anarcho Capitalist, i think you're a Far Right Neo Nazi douchebag in the closet of your Totalitarian, Far Right ideology  and allow me to explain why i view you the same as and any SJW fucktard i've crushed in the last few months.,


GamerGaters aren't calling for Restoring anything you moron, the fact you're labeling Gamer Gate as this White Supremacist cult make you a racist bigotted moron like the rest of your so called Feminists groups who don't care about actual eqaul rights or even women's rights.  Do some fucking researching into what Gamer Gaters actually believe , oh wait i sent you links and you clearly ignored them because by their logic, you're they're enemies if you're white and if you're a man ( BTW you happen to be both) and they use minorities as shields, hence why our movement came up with the  #NotYourSheild hashtag , because we don't appreciate a bunch of selfish, Hipster  self hating white kids trying to use people of color as props for their "Social Justice"
 movements.

Also considering you're on their side of the equation, you're an even bigger hypocrite than they are or you haven't  done enough research and you're jumping onto a sinking ship. 

You want to fight for all of Humanity right ?  Why side with people who encourage violence against men and against whites regardless of their political views.
You're about Class Struggles right  ? Why side with a bunch of yuppie hipsters who care more about making profits from their vitcimhood complex than fighting government systems.
You're against Authoritarianism right ? Why side with a group pushing their own Radical Feminist agenda down everyone's throats.
You rant about politicians using scaremongering to scare people to their cause and yet you're being lead like a sheep by the Anti Gamer Gate side.
You side with a group that labels all people as Right Wing extremists and yet look at the tactics  of the SJW movement, they're no different from those said extremists.


If anything it's ironic you compare Gamers to the Tea Party when it's your brand of Feminism which is the most simiair to the Far Right Wing. 

1)You're a bunch of Racist Misandrics who pretentiously  claim to be about civil rights and civil liberties but in reality you don't give two shits about minorities, gays or even women , you care about you're own ideology than you do actual people , much like the Tea Party. 

2) You're Radical Feminist movement is known for being quite Transphobic, particularly against Transgendered Men which is no different than the Homophobia of the Tea Party.

3)You claim to be for eqaul rights but in reality you are only for white women's rights just like the Tea Party is only for white men's rights. Neither of you protested the Ferguson Riots nor give any fucks when black men are shot in the street by racist cops but lose your shit when white people are shot so you're both equally as racist. Hell you use minorities as a shield the same way racist Tea Party members use"Black Friends" to prove they're not racist. 

4) You protest Human Right violations Under Bush and wanted Bush impeached for crimes against humanity and rightfully so but you say nothing about Obama's bullshit expansions of Bush era polices which you wanted to get Bush jailed for much like how the Tea Party didn't protest Bush's reckless spending yet criticize Obama whenever then can.

5) You're all for Slut Walks and all for Women's Rights to their bodies yet as seen with  Belle Knox, you are the very first people to slut shame her and the very same people who hate all sex work and have the same moralistic attitudes towards sex as the Religious Right and both agree on trying to ban Porn and both support bans on prostitution .

6) You both claim to hate Big Government and you do so in different ways.  The Tea Party hates Big Government unless it supports their Christan Agenda and the Feminists hate big government unless it supports their Feminists agenda. You sides are also the biggest moochers of our system  when it comes to entitlement programs and  trying to sneak in your  biased form  of education into schools.  Just replace Creationism with Women's Studies  and you have the same effect.

7) Speaking of which, you're both massively Anti Science and reject any form of facts contradicting your religious beliefs/values. Feminists reject any science that doesn't fit with their agenda and any study that doesn't fit within their narrative much in a way Creationists reject science debunking their desert myths.

8) And both of your are sexist . The Tea Party want to vote against Abortion and Birth control and bring women back in the kitchen. Feminists want to do the same thing, just with men as they support the gender bias criminal justice system, want more draconian violations of men's custody rights and even are fighting as we speaking against male birth control which makes them just as sexist as the Tea Party who fight female birth control for the same reason.

9) There are just as much diversity in SJW movements as there are in the Tea Party.


No seriously, look at this 
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The people in XOXO Fest are just as white and pasty as the fucking Tea Party, difference is that the Tea Party isn't attempting to appeal to Minorities nor cares to do so, the SJW Hipsters pride themselves in minority outreach and yet you barely see that many women there let alone minorities. That's fucking bad when you can't even get that much diversity even when you tried. Hell i think there's actually more diversity in the Tea Party than there is in Anti Gamer Gate. 

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At least i've seen some Black Republicans, how many SJW Hipsters have you see that aren't white ?

This is the 
By hating on non-SJW groups, they unwittingly hate on minority groups they claim to defend.
That’s why  #NotYourShield exists.

They call every minority groups on our side "brainwashed" which is pretty ironic if they even take the time to look at themselves. Oh wait, all they see is their own pathetic narcissism. 

Sadly you're just as bad comrade which is disappointing because i expect better from you considering your communist views but it seems you're blinded by the same problems of the SJW Hipster movement.


If anything Gamer Gater's side has done better at uniting all people of all backgrounds than you're entire SJW Hipster movement. Hell given our political compass

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And our views.

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We're more generally communist than anyone in DIRAGA or SOCTUS and this is from a movement rooted from Capitalism. The movement your'e supporting bleives in the exact same things you criticize your government and the Obama Administration for and some of the biggest Obama supporters out there.


Reactionary MRA's  ?  LOL ! You think the MRA's are reactionary ? How much propaganda have you been spoonfed ?  The MRA's are as Reactionary as Feminism is Communism. Have you ever even heard of complexity or diversity in movements. The Platform of the MRA is basically no different from a Moderate Feminist platform. Both sides wish to address inequality  among both genders. Granted both sides have their extremes like any ideology ever but that gives you no right to label the entire MRA as "Reactionary" when only a small minority of people even have sexist or bigotted views.

You don't see me labeling every single Feminist group as automatically being Authoritarian bigoted bitches who want to enslave men and enforce a Matriarchy right ? I only call out those within the Far Right of that movement, the Radical Feminists who are racist, bgiotted and sexist with also a strong transphobic and at times even homophobic streaks in them and clearly you're one of them despite being a supposed communist. What happened to that  "Equality for all"  arguments you constantly use ? I guess that doesn't apply to people who are Straight, White Men like yourself. You are aware that the Anti Gamer Gater side hates you just for being straight , white and a man right ? That's not even a hyperbolic statement, it's the truth. Anita Sareskaian recently tweeted her hatred of straight white men  which sounds as bigotted as a racist white man  insulting blacks or other minorities

Now back to Gamer Gate !  I laugh at your utter Ad Homiem attacks against Gamer Gate comrade, it's like you're too blinded by your own moronic, hypocritical agenda of Communism that you don't even do research.

If Gamer Gate is Reactionary, why does the majority of people who identify with Gamer Gater are on the Left or even Far left Libertrain side ?

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If anything going by the data here, most of the Gamer Gate groups would be either Center Left Libertarians or Moderate to Center Right Libertarians with a sizable amount of them being in the far Left Libertarian camp such as myself and  given Libertarians are traditionally at odds with Right Wing Authoritarian Conservatives  regarding   LGBT Rights, Military spending, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and are even at odds with the so called Libertarians that is known as the Tea Party which are actually Kochlbiertains but that's a subject for another day.  Generally, Lberetains are very Liberal in terms of Civil Liberties ans social issues ,even those who lean right or are Moderate Conservatives while still aligning with traditional Conservative spending and economics. Obviously i completely disagree with the Aryn Rad brand of 

If anything Chrsitna Hoff Summer has admitted to being  a Socialist and  a Libertarian at one point of her life. Currently, she is a registered Democrat with some Libertarian principles much like myself with some implied Far Left ideology from her earlier days as a Second Wave Eigltarlrain Feminist.

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This pie here represents the poicltial views of Gamer Gate as a whole. Only 11.16 % of Gamer Gaters have any objections to more diversity within gaming which means about only 11.16% have any Conservative, Right Wing attitudes.

When it comes to Feminism or Equality Feminism, only 11.51 % of  Gamer Gaters are opposed to Feminism.


And a overwhelming vast majority of Gamer Gaters are not sexist, if anything only 2% of any Gamer Gater can even be seen as Reactionary.

So you're blanketed Ad Homeiem holds no water.

More to the point, i do question which MRA's have you been talking too and exactly what about them is reactionary ? Most of the MRA's i know aren't much different from most Moderate and Liberal Feminists i know. If anything, can you name me a big named MRA that is against Women's Rights  ?  Against Gay Marriage  ? Against racial equality or against eqaulity? Hell if anything, they hate Conservatives with a passion as well as Liberals and Fringe Feminists. They're mostly centrists with a Libertarian leaning in either left or right spectrum, which is no different than most moderate Feminists and real women's rights activists which begs the question, why can't we just get along and just drop these stupid gendered titles and call ourselves Egalitarian ?

But given you're massive Anti MRA bias, it's probably the reason why MRA's are so reluctant to joining Feminism  because they don't distance thesmelves from their fringes enough. Once again i'm curious to know which MRA group you have been talking too because most of them sound no different from Christina Hoff Summers  who is a Feminist. Both her and Paul Eam agree that were there are issues with Women's Rights in the west, there are also increasing problems for Men's Rights as well. If anything  i do recommend you actually researching Chrsitina Hoff Summers do do tell me how does she sound different from an MRA or any Second Wave prominent Pro Sex Feminist?

Listen to the way you talk ?   You side with hateful, misandric Feminists sooner than you side with a moderate MRA member ?  You seriously call yourself a Communist ?  What a joke ! You're nothing more but a poser and a Hipster! You side with bigots more than you would with people who are moderates! Seriously buddy, did you even read communists history  ?  Do you even know what Communism was about ?  The communists  who fought for their beliefs, well intentioned or not were fighting  for all races and genders. 

The so called SJW's you support only care for people who aren't like them, they hate whites and hate men when a sizable majorty of them are white men, they claim to represent diversty for minorites but not only do they not  have that said diversity, they are quick to be racist towards minorites who are in disagreement with there views and they claim to be fighting for a cause but all they're doing is fighting to market off vitcimhood and ignorance.

So  i advise you again, do you seriously think that a Feminist who wants to kill 90% of all men is more reasonable than a MRA who points out the hypocrisy of Modern Feminism and modern society? If you said yes, then you're a facist prick who is racist, sexist and bigotted.

People like Huey Newton, a Communists didn't just fight for black Civl Rights , he fought for all people, even for whites. The same for the case of MLK and Malcom X, you on the other hand admit to siding with bigots.


You are basically a anti white, moronic, hypcortical, PC whiny, Hipster Pesudo Communists, beta male mangina bitch.

 Buddy, being Anti White doesn't make you a Communist you retard, it makes you a Fascist and a racist. Racism isn't just something white people do, all races can be racist towards each other and the fact you fail to grasp that while hypocritically claiming to fight for all races fruther discredits your argument and makes you look even more of a bigotted moron, especially when you're white. You're basically like Uncle Ruckus, only white, you have the same literal self hatred and everything.

Being against male inequalites doesn't make you for equal rights, it makes you a sexist bigot the same way a Muslim extremists is a Misogynist. You calim to be for all sexes and yet here you are ,demonizing male civil rights groups who are basically doing the same things as Feminists groups and here you are ranting about white male privilege when  you're both white and male. Buddy you're full of shit  and you're a self hating man.

Feminism is basically your equivalent to nationalism. You have blind faith and support within the movement and extremely critical of anyone who doesn't agree with you. For fuck sake, just for disagreeing on men with one issue when we agreed on 96% of the time before further proves how insane you are with your belief of Feminism. You're against facts that undermine your Feminist Propaganda the same way the U.S and U.K. government fear leaks of information that threatens they're propaganda. You have the same hatred and fear of science as the Tea Party who are ultra nationalists and you label anyone who criticizes you an Anti Feminist much like how Tea party Patriots label anyone critical of America Anti American.

And most ironically, you're far from an actual communism. You're supporting Anita Saresikan, a person who is about as Capitalist as you can get. She's basically the Alex Jones of Feminism. She's a con artists who ripped off her loyal fanbase by getting $ 160,000 in research funds and yet steals Let's Play footage from Youtube, caught admitting she's not a gamer, caught with numerous scandals regarding money and not a single one of her latest videos got any updates in production qaulity. You Support Zoey Qunnin, a woman who sabotaged a women's gaming promotion to get cash and slept with 5 journalists to promote her game and profit from the scandals and you support Gaming Journalism which profits from propaganda  and has an etlist attitude against the general masses. In other words, you're in support of the bourgeois society .

Also for someone who claims to be against the division of class, why does your side oppose Gamer Gate so much ?  Gamer Gate is basically a Muilt Ethnic, Muilt political,  cross gendered movement that involves all people of all sexes and all races and all income levels. If anything the gamers are basically the cogs to the industry as well as the developers, they're the workers and  the masses, the very people Communism fights for and yet here you are, shitting on them by labeling them all fringe  racists or MRM's.

 Ironically enough buddy, you're probably the biggest phonies i've ever seen and you have no right calling yourself a Communist. 

Also as someone who is economically Communists, don't you reject the idea of a biased news media ? Shouldn't you be against people abusing wealth and power  ?  I'm someone who's only socially communists and i see this as outright bullshit and really just another form of lazie fare capitalism posing as a "Cultural Marxist " movement. How can someone like you be fooled so easily by a movement that only has interest in cronyism, elitism and  the bottom line while supporting them stomping on the workers and consumers?

Imagine if this was say a MRA militant who slept with 5 guys to get favorable reviews of his bullshit, badly made, politically charged games, then used Right Wing Media influence to cover up and silence dissent  and then labeled all gamers "Femnazi man haters" and had Gaming Journalists slander the opposition who have all the facts about the corruption in gaming journalism. Would you still be siding with them  ?  Fuck no, so why do it when it's a Feminist who has been caught doing unethical, hypocritical behavior to get gaming journalist positions ?

So you rather be a a Beta White Knight who can't think for himself and  side with Fringe Feminists than the MRA, a group fighting ineqaulites for both genders and are just as varied as Feminist having moderate voices that agree mostly with Feminist and fringed MRA's who are sexist  ? I only ask that that you do research and not allow bias to corrupt your critical thinking.

Funny i was thinking the same thing with the Russian Revolution  comparison, except, we're the actual revolutionists and the side you defend is the Capitalists.

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Also considering you have people like him in your movement,you're Stop Gamer Gate movement can't call us reactionary.

Fair enough, i have my own disagreements with Aryn Rad  Libertarians myself but you want to know what's the difference between them and people like you  ?  At least these people seem to give two shits about equality for all. At least these people actually speak for LGBT movements.When was the last time you actually see SJW's give  shit about fighting for real equality  ?  They spend most of their time blogging about how sexist games are, meanwhile Libertarians are actually protesting and getting thrown to jail.

 Also  when i talk to a Libertarian and i have disagreements with them on ecomonics, they don't try to force their bullshit onto me and call me racist or sexist insults because i don't fully agree with them and don't throw blanketed Ad Homeimen attacks at me or my positions. You on the other hand have done nothing but insult me, insult people in the GamerGate Movement and insult my positions, all while arrogantly claiming you're superior to Fascists. 

It's funny you talk all this shit about MRA's and  Libertarians when even they're more liberal than a Authoritarian asshole like yourself who talks all this shit on how you care for equality but you're no different than the damn Social Conservatives. You admit to want to take away people's porn  and restrict seek workers rights, which is something a Conservative would say, yeah i think i would side with the "rightist with bongs"  , they're less hypocritical than you and considering the paradox that is  Aryn Rad  Libertarianism, that's saying alot.

MRA's don't usually start their sentence regarding Feminists as all being CIS gendered White Women who need to check their privilege, most of the time, they point out the sheer hypocrisy of Radical Feminists. MRA's usually don't try to enforce Cultural Appropriation which is basically another term for Segregation, MRA's aren't trying to silence critics of their movement as Sexists, using Ad Hoimein attacks and then playing the victim when pwned badly in a debate and fake death threats. It's you're side that uses those tactics, the very same tactics that Racist Segregationists used against blacks.

Funny you boast about fighting for diversity but hate anyone who doesn't conform to your worldview or image of what they want to be. You're Radical Feminist movement has too many parallels to the Racist movements you accuse the MRA's of being like. You randomly label them racists without evidence of their racism much like Segregationists labeled the Civil Rights Movement as a Communists plot  and the Pro Apartheid government of South Africa labeled Nelson Manedla's Civil Rights group a Terrorists organization despite not having evidence. You label women who are pro sex feminists as "Victims of internal Misogyny" despite  them consenting to it  and it's no different from racists calling white women  "Nigger Lovers" for wanting to date black men. You label anyone who disagree with you be it  other Feminists or MRA's as  " Misogynists"  the same way Creationists  label Atheists "Heatens" and you considering your brand of Feminism to represent all Feminism much like Fundie Christians consider themselves True Christians.

It's also a massive strawman argument given that i never said at any point of this that women had it better than men within the past. That's clearly not the case regarding Civil Rights and equality.For most of history in most civilization, women were often considered inferior to men and subservient to men, that started to change within the 1800's when giving women rights to property was considered progressive provided they married, that then thankfully progressed to Women getting voting rights in the 1920's and around the 1960's and 1970's getting basic civil rights as men and  having equality of opportunity.Nowadays, women in the west have it the best  and are better off today than any part of history so really the polar fucking opposite of your straw-man against my argument and yes Feminism is for the most part to thank for that, you also know who's to thank for Women's Liberation ? Mens's Liberation Movements.

The MRA's are really another side of the same Mens Liberation movements that sided with Feminists Movements in the 1960's and 1970's which were also associated with the greater Civil Rights movement. The MRA's while critical of Feminists, especially Radical Feminists are still largely in support of equality among both genders and they helped Feminist groups get the equal rights for genders and what does your side of Feminists do  ?  You stab the Sex Positive Feminists and Men's Liberation movements in the back and you created the MRA in response to you're puritanical version of Feminism. 

On the contrary, i understand Libertarians more than you do apparently. Yeah i hate their Economic agenda with a passion and i'm against their moronic, naive, idiotic Ary Rad style of economics which do much more harm than good and hate their Hypocritical hatred of Big Government yet support unregulated Bis Business which is just as bad   and i personally think they're brand of Rightist Libertarianism is  far from real Libertarianism which is questioning the power and authority of both big business and government ( Anchro Socialism).

But you know what ?  We can put our disagreements aside and agree on common grounds. We're against Censorship, we're both against Authoritarian agendas against vitcimless crimes, we're both pro choice,  we're massively anti war , we're all for marriage equality and we hate racism and sexist groups with a moralistic agenda like Radical Feminism and we're not afraid of criticism. 


You're brand of  "Communism" is the reason the Soviet Union collapsed and North Korea is the butt of all jokes around the world. My brand of Libertarian Socialism which is basically saying fuck the Corporate System while saying for Government not to tread on my rights is at least more consistent with the will of the masses and my own beliefs than you're bullshit Pseudo Communism which is just another name for Fascist Authoritarianism , j but then again given you don't even pretend to be for equality, you're not even consistent with the failed Communism beliefs given you're adopted this Ultra Right Wing version of Puritanical Feminism which is just as Capitalist as  Libertarianism but at least Libertarians are honest about their  ideology of profit whereas you pretend to care about  Social Justice just to get money or rather you support Capitalists pretending to be Communists.

This is precisely why the   #NotYourShield  hashtag exists, it exist because asshole bigots like you attempt to strawman racism and sexism within GamerGate all while making some of the most racist, sexist statements ever and aligning yourself with people who are actually Neo Nazis.Seriously, the people on you're side is Miles Chenog, a Neo Nazi.You're a moron for associating sexism and racism with gaming.

So in reality, you're not for social justice if you think Men don't have rights issues and considering you mock MRA's, you don't know the issues men are facing thanks to your brand of Feminims.


Sentencing Disparity

Average sentences for same crime under similar circumstances (robbed someone with a gun, knife, etc):
Female – 18.51 months
Male – 51.52 months



In Britain, Judges are now ordered to “show more mercy” on female criminals when deciding what sentence they should be given.

 
Unfair sentencing doesn’t just pertain to men, but for boys as well.
“Judge bashes Probation Department for gender bias in favor of leniency for girls”



In North Carolina (and probably other states), it turns out that assaulting a female is a class A1 misdemeanor only if the attacker is “a male person at least 18 years of age”; every other type of assault when it comes to gender, is generally a class 2 misdemeanor. This can translate into a substantial difference in sentencing.


 
Death Penalty almost exclusively targets men

Actual execution of female offenders is rare, with only 571 documented instances as of 12/31/2011, beginning with the first in 1632. These executions constitute about 2.9% of the total of confirmed executions in the US since 1608. Only twelve female offenders have been executed since 1976.



Women make up only 2.9% of those executed since 1976, but they commit 10% of all murder in the US.


This story highlights everything  wrong with our society and has me fucking enraged. Male rape isn't taken seriously in this country. Everyone laughs about men getting raped in prisons. Imagine if you went around laughing about women getting gang-raped. Ridiculous double-standards. 

Domestic violence

SUMMARY:  This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.  The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.



In addition; “the most comprehensive review of the scholarly domestic violence research literature ever conducted concludes, among other things, that women perpetrate physical and emotional abuse, and engage in control behaviors, at comparable rates to men.”



Domestic Violence Hotlines/Shelters (tax dollar funded), refuse to help or accept male victims of DV.

What happens when men call Domestic Violence shelters for help:

Of the abused men who called domestic violence hotlines, 64% were told that they “only helped women.” In 32% of the cases, the abused men were referred to batterers’ programs. Another 25% were given a phone number to call that turned out to be a batterers’ program. A little over a quarter of them were given a reference to a local program that helped.

Overall, only 8% of the men who called hotlines classified them as “very helpful,” whereas 69% found them to be “not at all helpful.”

Sixteen percent said the people at the hot line “dismissed or made fun of them.” One abused man said:

They laughed at me and told me I must have done something to deserve it if it happened at all.

Another said:

They asked how much I weighed and how much she weighed and then hung up on me…I was told by this agency that I was full of BS.

Twelve percent of the hotlines accused the man of being the batterer or responsible for the abuse. One abused man said:

They told me women don’t commit domestic violence — it must have been my fault.

Another said:

They accused me of trying to hide my “abuse” of her by claiming to be a victim, and they said that I was nothing more than a wimp.

Of the men who sought help by contacting local domestic violence programs, only 10% found them to be “very helpful,” whereas 65% found them to be “not at all helpful.” One abused man said:

They just laughed and hung up the phone.

Another said:

They didn’t really listen to what I said. They assumed that all abusers are men and said that I must accept that I was the abuser. They ridiculed me for not leaving my wife, ignoring the issues about what I would need to do to protect my six children and care for them.


Mandatory arrest policy

Thanks to the Violence Against Women Act, states are encouraged to enact “mandatory arrest” policies when it comes to domestic violence. This means that when someone calls the police alleging partner abuse, an arrest has to be made, even if the allegation looks to be false. Mandatory arrest policies completely ignore a Constitutional right known as “Probable Cause.”



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Arrest the male

Thanks to “predominant aggressor” (aka arrest the male no matter what) policies, men who call the police on their violent wife are often the ones arrested, or threatened by police with arrest.

According to a study by George and Yarwood (2004), police have threatened 47% of male victims of intimate partner violence with arrest. George and Yarwood also found that the police ignored 35% of male victims and 21% were actually arrested instead of the female perpetrators


Another Study by Linda Kelly found that when abused men call the police to report domestic violence committed against them they are three times more likely to be arrested than the wife that is abusing them.
 
A good example of this is the case of Pro Fooballer Warren Moon. Moon was arrested after he tried to restrain his wife from assaulting him after she threw a candlestick at this head and kneed him in the groin. Police came, arrested moon and he was charged with domestic violence but only acquitted after his wife confessed that she was the violent one. Women’s groups were not happy and wanted Moon to be charged.

Child Custody

Women receive custody of the children in about 84% of custody cases



Paternity Fraud

Paternity fraud is rampant in the US.  In as many as 30% of cases, fathers are being forced to pay child support for children who are not theirs.


Boys Forced to Pay Child Support to their Rapist

In at least 3 states (California, Kansas and Tennessee), courts force boys to pay child support to their statutory rapists. In at least two other states, state officials attempt to get boy statutory rape victims to pay child support to their rapists. 


False Restraining Orders

Restraining orders are usually as simple to get as filling out a form correctly.

In 2005, Santa Fe District Judge Daniel Sanchez issued a temporary restraining order against David Letterman because, in her words:

Colleen Nestler alleged in her request for the order filed Dec. 15 that the Late Show host had forced her to go bankrupt and caused her “mental cruelty” and “sleep deprivation” since first sending her secret messages in May 1994. Nestler asked the court to require Letterman to keep a distance of at least three yards and to “release me from his mental harassment and hammering.” 

She received this restraining order based on no proof of her ridiculous allegations.



Temporary restraining orders are issued by judges without the respondent having legal representation, being allowed to present opposing evidence, or even being aware of the allegation. Thanks to state laws that have been lobbied to redefine “domestic violence” broadly, restraining orders are extremely easy to obtain.

Judges also rarely require proof of abuse, and the statutes invoke a “preponderance of evidence” standard (the same standard forced onto colleges in rape cases). In most states a temporary restraining order is followed by a full hearing 10-14 days later; at that time, a final determination is reached.

In practice restraining orders trample on Civil Rights of the defendants.

The accuser may have had weeks to prepare for the case, and is probably receiving free legal help. In contrast, the respondent has only a few days to find a lawyer and develop a legal strategy.
The respondent has limited access to evidence in the home that he may need to prove his innocence.
If the respondent has no money for legal defense then they may be forced to undertake more difficult pro se defense.
One attorney noted that “the mere allegation of domestic violence…may shift the burden of proof on the defendant.”

Take this court transcript from a hearing in which the respondent’s attorney requested the temporary restraining order to be removed:

Attorney to his respondent-client: “Can you please state your name and your address for the record?”

Judge: “I don’t believe I need to hear any evidence from your client. I’m going to deny your request to vacate the restraining order.”



Concerns about the misuse and unconstitutionality of Restraining Orders have been voiced in legal circles for years.

Elaine Epstein, former Massachusetts Bar Association, admitted “Everyone knows that restraining orders and orders to vacate are granted to virtually all who apply…In many cases, allegations of abuse are now used for tactical advantage.”
In Connecticut, attorney, Arnold Rutkin said that many judges view TOs as a “rubber-stamping exercise” and that subsequent hearings “are usually a sham.”
In Missouri, a survey of attorneys and judges found many complaints of disregard for due process and noted that allegations of domestic violence were widely used as a “litigation strategy.”
In Illinois, an article in the state legal journal described legal allegations of abuse as “part of the gamesmanship of divorce.”
In California, the State Bar admits it is concerned that protective orders are “almost routinely issued by the court in family law proceedings even when there is relatively meager evidence and usually without notice to the restrained person…it is troubling that they appear to be sought more and more frequently for retaliation and litigation purposes.”
In Washington State a TO reads:

“IT IS THEREFORE OREDERED THAT…The respondent is directed to appear and show cause why this temporary order should not be made effective for one year or more and why the court should not order the relief requested by the petitioner or other relief which may include electronic monitoring, payment of costs, and treatment.

Temporary restraining orders have been called “the gamesmanship of divorce.” One account to how damaging a false TO can be: “In ten days, the hypothetical husband has gone from having a normal life with a wife, children and home to being a social pariah, homeless, poor, and alone, trapped in a Kafkaesque nightmare.”

The following is a case account by a grandmother of the victim of a false TO of how a woman can abuse the system in her favor to get the father out of THEIR children’s lives.

In November 2002 Mrs. Soucie’s daughter-in-law decided to leave the family home, and opted to take along her nine-month-old grandson for good measure. “With the slow process of the court system, my grandson was concealed for 3 months. We missed his first Thanksgiving, first Christmas, first New Years, and his first birthday,” Mrs. Soucie sadly writes.

Finally the father, who works in law enforcement, was granted formal visitation rights. That’s when the nightmare began.



Somehow the mother got irate because dad and grandma wanted to see junior from time to time. And someone told her that under the Illinois Domestic Violence Act, causing a woman to feel even “emotional distress” is considered a form of abuse.

“In October 2003, my son and myself were placed under an Order of Protection. We did nothing to break the law, we did not harass, stalk, intimidate, or try to annoy. Our only purpose was to pick up the child and deliver him back at the appointed time.”



Apparently the mother told the judge she found dad and grandma picking up the child to be “distressing.”

The mother has learned the system and uses it to her advantage,” laments the disillusioned grandmother.




Box 1 – indicates there was no allegation of physical abuse. Instead, the wife accused her husband of “harassment” and “interference with personal liberty.”

Box 5 – on the basis of those allegations, the female shall receive custody of the children.

Box 7 – Orders that the children be removed from their father and allowed to see him only every other weekend until 6pm on Sunday.



Male Rape

“In 2011-12, an estimated 4.0% of state and federal prison inmates and 3.2% of jail inmates reported experiencing one or more incidents of sexual victimization by another inmate or facility staff in the past 12 months or since admission to the facility, if less than 12 months.”



Homelessness

62% of the homeless in the US are male.

Men have 0 reproductive rights

Circumcision

Girls are protected under law from circumcision, boys are not (his body, not his choice).


There's a reason why   leads an MRA forum here on DA and why Eilgiatrains like       and  and myself lean MRA, because the last 40 years has been Feminist betraying men and other women and trying to take away rights for everyone,especially men and hence i find you and your brand of Feminism to be deeply offensive.

Hell even my more conservative, center right friends     and    have shown much more maturity and civility than you have throughout this fourm. They're at least willing to  debate their ideas and at least willing to present facts  or at least evidence for what they believe in and that's despite me not seeing eye to eye with the stuff they believe nor necessarily agreeing with them.

What are you even fighting against ?  Where is this Patriarchy in the west you claim to fight against ?Do you even know what a Patriarchy is dumbshit ?

Patriarchy is a social system in which: males hold primary power; males predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property; and, in the domain of the family, fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male domination and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. In the familial sense, the female equivalent is matriarchy.

Men hold primary power in positions of political power, that much is true however they depend heavily on the women to maintain any power since women now make up 55% of the voting population so you're entire argument about male domination loses any grounds when you consider the reality that women have the ability to vote men out of office and can easily run for any political office, so that debunks the fact that men have any political influence or power.

Men predominate within Moral Authority ?  Religion which is a Patriarchal value has been declining in the west whereas Feminists influence has increased in the same amount of time  religious influence. Women  control both sides of the political party and dictate the moral authority within the entire nation. The Drug War is supported by Radical Feminists and Moral Conservatives, the ban on Prostitution is supported by Radical Feminists and Moral Conservatives and Feminists lobbyists have complete control of the Media and FCC. Do tell me how men have any moral authority when they're the one's declining in power whereas women's moral authority has been increasing?

Social Privilege? Women have a unfair child custody advantage  over men, men are mandated by law to pay alimony whereas women paying alimony is optional , women have plenty of ways to opt out of a pregnancy and have all the reproductive rights, men get none whatsoever and if they're condom breaks,they're at the mercy of women. Women get twice as much funding for breast cancer as men for prostate cancer, women get far lower prison sentences than men for the exact same crimes , men are actually mandatory arrested and targeted disportionately by the police. Sexual harassment laws benefit women and not men, women who make false rape accusations are not arrested for Perjury whereas if a man lied about being raped, he's arrested. Women who are raped are believed by the media and it's first page news whereas if a man was raped, no one cares and domestic violence laws don't protect male victims of abuse both gay and straight.

Control of Property ?   Women make up 87% of household spending and completely control the purses of many men, the number of women landowners have skyrocketed over the years whereas male property owners have been declining. Combine this with Alimony laws targeting men, women have been getting wealthier, so again where is this so called oppression? 


Fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children?The  rate of fatherlessness has been increasing greatly over the last  50 years, men have been marrying less because of the unfair shift in marriage laws made by Feminists, the increasing undermining of fathers by the media in favor of women and int increasing dependency of women on the welfare state thanks to Feminists, fathers no longer have any authority over women and children.

It implies the institutions of male domination and entails female subordination.?There is no legal discrimination against women as all laws discriminating against women have been repealed and outlawed within 1965's Civil Rights Bill and  further dismantled by MRA's and Feminists within the 1960's and 1970's. You know  who is legally discriminated against under law ?  White Men, the Affirmative Action laws passed within the 1970's put quotas that deny a qualified white man based on his race and sex in favor of a woman or person of color, so if anything the only one's being institutionally discriminated against, it's those "Privileged" White men.

The Civil Rights Act of 1965 destroyed that illusion but even going beyond just recent events , Europe was never a Patriarchy. Queen Mary I, Queen Elizabeth I and Queen Isabella I all had the same authority as any male King and actually all combined formed the Atlantic Slave Trade and Conquest of the New World so there was never a real Patriarchy within European Nations within the last 1,000  years by the definition that women can inherit property via brith and even lead nations completely debunks you're claims of a Patriarchy back then  let alone  in modern society.


All you're doing at this point is proving how much of a spoiled, brainwashed brat you are. You have not idea what communism is about. and  are real communists. You're not even close to their level of COmmunism, nor are you even on my level of Communism.

345rv5.deviantart.com/art/My-P…

What you are is Sarah Palin lite dressing up as a Communist.Oh  i went there SJW's. I'm sick and tired of you Pseudo Communists masquerading as Real  Communists. You people are the very reason 80% of women see Feminism as poisionus and the reason why more women are joining the MRA's than you're club of poisoned, misandric nonsense and once you people kill your Feminist movement, we would be one step closer to Egalitarianism so you go fuck off and actually do some reading that isn't some Feminist theory bullshit.

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Cochegara In reply to 345rv5 [2015-08-29 11:02:35 +0000 UTC]

No life confirmed.

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soulessone12 In reply to 345rv5 [2015-02-25 06:15:59 +0000 UTC]

wow, that was the mother of all burns

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345rv5 In reply to soulessone12 [2015-02-25 21:55:22 +0000 UTC]

Thanks,  his carass never saw it coming, fucking fake anachro Commie.

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TanishaTG In reply to 345rv5 [2015-04-12 00:24:59 +0000 UTC]

Looks like we've got both commits and Satan on our side.  Why do these wannabe progressive type hate us so much again?

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345rv5 In reply to TanishaTG [2015-04-12 02:57:33 +0000 UTC]

Because telling the truth about them hurts their feelings.

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Velicen In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-11 04:23:56 +0000 UTC]

The moment you start accusing an opponent like him of being a Nazi/capitalist/Right-Wing is the moment that you admit you've lost. Also, I can't even see those pictures in your stash, it just gives me an error screen.

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345rv5 In reply to Velicen [2015-01-11 05:27:46 +0000 UTC]

Why don't you apply this advance to yourself and thw SJW cronies you're defending, they seem to love throwing around this Ad Hominem without basis, at least i back up my claims based on their actions.

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Velicen In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-12 03:02:29 +0000 UTC]

Heh, you say that like you're so sure. 

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345rv5 In reply to Velicen [2015-01-12 03:34:44 +0000 UTC]

More white knights coming to a fake socialists rescue.

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Velicen In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-12 03:43:27 +0000 UTC]

Oh shit, I've been found out!  

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Vaerinn In reply to Velicen [2015-01-13 05:15:04 +0000 UTC]

Dude's so obsessed with SJWs and feminists that he's just seeing them everywhere. If he walked into a door he'd yell at it for being "feminazi." :V

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Velicen In reply to Vaerinn [2015-01-16 09:40:21 +0000 UTC]

Unfortunately. Seriously though, is it so hard to notice all of the numerous deviations redandblacksalamander has made deriding SJW's and their ilk?

I hate those crazy "social justice" types as well, but I see just as much crazy from those who oppose them as I do from them. :/ 

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Flags2Riches In reply to Vaerinn [2015-01-14 12:20:48 +0000 UTC]

Dudes so obsessed because most of them are little shits ruining everyone's life over bullshit that doesn't even matter. He brings sources, and backs up claims. He provides links and evidence to support what he says and points out their hypocrisy. Dudes smarter than you think, and I highly doubt that he's going crazy over this without a good reason. Just look at the stuff he has in his gallery.

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Vaerinn In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-14 16:56:02 +0000 UTC]

I've dealt with my share of extremists before, and I actually did read the shit he posted. It was a bunch of articles arguing points I never made, and a bunch of cherrypicked data and horribly misinterpreted studies and findings thanks to how common the old cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is among laymen. There's a reason I don't argue data with non-scientists.

The fact that he couldn't even look past his own rage and cognitive biases to see what I said versus what I didn't say pretty much makes his objectivity, knowledge, and rationality more than a little suspect.

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The-Conquerors In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-02 00:57:32 +0000 UTC]

Holy shiz monkey's having ssex with the prophet Mohammad (peace be upon that son of bitch) as Jesus fists the Pop with a fudgeicle and Buddah masturbates. Did I just stumble upon a college paper? ~ C

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345rv5 In reply to The-Conquerors [2015-01-02 02:06:24 +0000 UTC]

Nah, just a factual nuke against a Radical Feminist. Really it'a collection of previous comments made to Party but wtih added effects implying against Anacrha Feminist.

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Flags2Riches In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-04 18:26:36 +0000 UTC]

"You people are the very reason 80% of women see Feminism as poisionus and the reason why more women are joining the MRA's than you're club of poisoned, misandric nonsense ..." 
Please let this be true.

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345rv5 In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-04 21:33:03 +0000 UTC]

Given  rise of FeMRA's at a fast rate compared to the decline of Feminism, it's only a matter of time before FeMRA's and MRA's outnumber the Feminists.

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Flags2Riches In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-04 21:38:39 +0000 UTC]

I'm praying that's what's going to happen. Although I would like it of it happens sooner.

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345rv5 In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-04 23:38:24 +0000 UTC]

You can thank people like Karen Staunghan 

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Flags2Riches In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-05 01:17:32 +0000 UTC]

I'll look them up.

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345rv5 In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-05 03:12:48 +0000 UTC]

She's GrilWirtesWhat ?  I thought you would know about her.

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Flags2Riches In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-05 03:23:31 +0000 UTC]

I probably should, to be honest.

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345rv5 In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-05 22:14:46 +0000 UTC]

She's the one that opened my eyes about the issues men face.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAF2Um…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPHFX…

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Flags2Riches In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-05 22:42:21 +0000 UTC]

Gracias.

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345rv5 In reply to Flags2Riches [2015-01-05 22:51:38 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome.

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RednBlackSalamander In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-01 07:31:55 +0000 UTC]

No, see, I said go read a book. Not write one.

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345rv5 In reply to RednBlackSalamander [2015-01-01 08:16:58 +0000 UTC]

Tough shit Nazi prick, i take it you have no valid arguments.

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ColumbianSFR In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-01 07:01:25 +0000 UTC]

Damn, you typed an F-load for comment.

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345rv5 In reply to ColumbianSFR [2015-01-01 08:51:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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ColumbianSFR In reply to 345rv5 [2015-01-01 09:03:11 +0000 UTC]

 You'd be a good writer.

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