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Don't worry i calimed down,i just hate this prick who claims he cares for the people when he cares only for himself.
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You're gonna hate him more now.
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Agreed, i already handed this faggots ass to him. Funny ,i use to have respect for him a few months ago, now i hate the fucking asshole and he can expect me to be an enemy of his.
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Homophobic slurs, nice. Nothing at all reactionary about that sort of language, nope.
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Funny how you're bitching about "homophobic slurs" but you get to call every Gamer CIS Scum, hypocrite much ?Also calling someone a faggot doesn't automatically make you a homophobe the same way calling someone a dickhead doesn't make you misandric or calling someone a bitch doesn't make you misyongstic. Hell the fact you're infantilizing homosexuals by thinking they can't handle a word that has liberal interpretations and wasn't even originally made as a slur against gays shows how you're the real homophobe by thinking gays need to be treated as children and as shields and you think they're too fragile to handle words not even directed towards him, now who's the reactionary homophobe again ? Oh right, you're dumb , bitch nigga faggot ass . Come at me bro.
#NotYourShield
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I don't recall calling anyone cis scum, and it's a bit odd to accuse a queer person of infantilizing themselves, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. I assumed I was just showing solidarity in calling slurs into question, but I guess you're a psychic that can read my mind and automatically know my affiliations and deepest beliefs.
Or, you know, maybe you're making assumptions about me and resorting to unquestioned and unchecked cognitive biases when faced by any hint of dissent.
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No i was accusing you of being a butthurt, PC bitch but thanks for admitting you're a sheltered PC butthurt bitch. Also perhaps you might want to criticize the people on your side who thinks they know everything and think their psychic.
Once again projection , that's what your side does, not GamerGate.
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I'm not sure how I "admitted" to being sheltered, really. I thought getting bashed bloody by homophobes and left with a crippled leg would invalidate the idea that I'm sheltered from anything, but hey, what do I know?
And what side am I supposedly on? I thought I was just a socialist with an interest in social justice for all humanity.
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You morons don't give a shit about Social Justice, you're a bunch of pretentious hipster hypocrites
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You don't even know who I am or what I've done or believe. You're just shadowboxing at this point.
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Given you're whiteknights Feminists, you fit into the definition of a typical Anit Gamer
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Uh, how am I a "white knight", and at what point did I in any way claim to be "anti-gamer"?
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You're blindly defending RedNBlack who is anti gamer and is a white knight hypocrite for Feminism.
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I'm questioning your use of your intersectional identities as a bludgeon the same way you accuse so-called "SJW"'s of acting. It's not right for anyone to use.
White knight is, like SJW, a term that's been stripped of any substantial meaning beyond "defends women I oppose."
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No, you're thought policing and trying to police my speech, that's not Social Justice moron. Trying to harass someone because they don't conform to your PC bullshit isn't Social Justice, it's just you being a PC whiner because i dare say faggot as a derogatory term towards you and your butthurt SJW friends.
Missing the point of why i called you a White Knight. Unless RedNBlack is a woman, i wasn't using the term to attack you for attacking women, i was using that term to attack you for defending Feminazis like RedNBlack. Also please reconsider referring to yourself as a White Knight because that's not a compliment at all .
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It's not thought policing to criticize the speech of others. Or are you saying that you're allowed to say whatever you want, but I'm not? Guess I know who's really pro censorship now!
It's you. You're the one trying to censor me for having the gall to question your use of a homophobic slur.
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I love your attempts to spin this as GamerGate being pro censorship when your side has been doing the blocking,banning and doxxing.Also i'm point out your hypocrisy and considering i haven't blocked you, you have every right to spew your bigotry to me.
Typical victimhood antics. When have i tried to censor you ?When was simply disagreeing with your stupid ass opinion censorship ? You have a very funny way of defining censorship. Also calling you a faggot doesn't make me homophobic considering the term faggot wasn't originally a homophobic slur. It used to mean a pile of sticks which ironically enough fits you and SJW's, you're just as fragile and butthurt as a pile of twigs, hence why i call you and SJW's faggots.
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So let me get this straight. I criticized your use of the word 'faggot' as being homophobic, you called me a thought cop for making that criticism, and then you went on to criticize my speech while claiming that your criticism is not thought policing.
I.e. you applied a double standard to me, claiming one thing is fair and then accusing me of being unfair for turning the tables on you.
(P.S. I've never once in this discussion mentioned GamerGate, you're the one bringing it up and assuming that a criticism directed at you, as an individual, is an attack on an entire movement. It is not.)
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Yeah and i corrected you on the fact that the use of the term "Faggot" isn't in itself homophobic and saying it doesn't make you a homophobe and it's been used against straight men by gay men themselves. the fact you think you speak for all gay men and act as you can tone police people to infantilize homosexuals makes you the homophobe, not me because you assume that homosexuals who put up with far worse shit on a daily basis than the word "faggot" would fall apart if they were called faggot and that sounds pretty homophobic on your part.
Also i have literal gay and bisexual friends who use the term "Faggot " to mock butthurt, pro censorship trolls who can't handle criticism. Both and use the term"faggot" to mock assholes like you and both happen to be bisexual. Also here's your problem , you're falsely equating criticism with censorship which isn't the same thing you retarded hypocrite.Are you really this stupid that i need to explain the difference between censorship and criticism or are you really this dishonest and disingenuous ?
Criticism is open ended discussion and addressing the flaws of someone's opinion , censorship is literally trying to shut down the conservation. I know you Tumblrtards lack the ability to tell the difference between facts and the fiction in your head but please don't be this mentality retarded not to know the difference between criticism and censorship.
LOL! Once again misusing Logical Fallacies, seriously i'm feeling bad for you because it really feels like like you're legitimately retarded unfortunately for you, i'm all for treating all people as equals and it would be ableist of me to treat you with kid gloves just because you have mental disabilities,LOL.Seriously, learn what a double standard means.Do i really have to explain everything to you ? You do have a double standard, if this was Jack Thompson who did any of the things Zoey Qunin did or worse, you people wouldn't be attacking gamers like you're doing now so this this is further proof of your double standards.
You're the one who jumped into the discussion about GamerGate and threw you're two cents into a discussion that was none of your fucking business and now you're surprised i'm insulting you?
I was talking with about RedN Blacks hypocrisy and stupidity on GamerGate and i called him a faggot and yet you came out of nowhere, not minding your own business accusing me of being a reactionary because i dare say faggot and now you're surprised this became about GamerGate when i was talking about GamerGate on a GamerGate related picture? This is just you playing the little bitch nigga victim and being butthurt because i won't conform to your PC mentality. You made this all about GamerGate yourself because you're using the very same laaunague all Anti Gamers use against GamerGate in an attempt silence opposition by shamming them into slience. Sorry asshole but you don't get to dicate what i can and can't say and you're part of the reason why i hate Cultural Marxist Feminazi reactionary Hipster faggots like you.
#GamerGate #NotYourShield
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Well I guess I have to thank you for demonstrating some more Gamergate logic for me and anyone else that happens to read this comic and then has the misfortune to try going through the comments.
I won't bother trying to highlight the logical fallacies, loaded questions, cognitive biases, and countless ungrounded and unproven assumptions you made of me and then proceeded to beat up in lieu of engaging me.
If you're an example of what the Gamergate movement has as its intellectual and moral fibre, I don't think your ideological opponents have anything at all to fear.
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Damn. The hate is strong in you. Hey, I saw your fact nuking and it seems like you came prepared like a motherfucker. How do people like him not mock #NotYourShield though? Seems to significant to belittle, especially with a video about it.
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Yep, whooped his ass pretty good here and there's more where that came from.
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There will be as long as this guy posts more bullshit.
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Yes. Hell yes. Hell. Fucking. Yes.
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I skimmed through some of your little tirade there, and the vast majority of the claims I saw about the injustices against men in the U.S. are either not that alarming (62% of the homeless in the US are male) or are things that I've seen feminists fight against time and time again. At least take a scope of the very broad population you're attacking before attacking it. To say that feminists don't fight for men's rights is like stating that all people from the U.S. are Bronies just because your sample size was selective.
And before you get all up in arms about Anita Sarkisian (sp?), I don't follow her work, nor do I tend to have specific loyalties to such grandiose public figures, so don't bug me about that. Also, I'm not going to spend a ton of time laying out every problem with your essay, as I don't have the patience or personal discipline for such an undertaking. I simply want to let you know that not all feminists are the people that you paint them as, and that the most vocal of any group is usually the minority of it. Have a lovely new year!
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Note that i didn't say all Feminsits, note i was attacking Anarcha Feminists and Radical Feminists.
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Why can't you be an anarchist and a feminist?
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Anachry demands the elimination of all hierarchies and all other ideologies, Feminism is a hierarchy and ideology. That's like saying you can be a MRA Anarchist, it just doesn't work.
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Feminism is a movement that seeks to eliminate hierarchy in the sphere of gender, so I wouldn't exactly call it a hierarchy. People that are in favour of female supremacy and call themselves feminists are outliers. Men's Rights Activists seem to have a similar goal with different emphasis, so I don't really think that would be contradictory either. Also, anarchism doesn't really exclude ideology by definition. That would be totalitarianism, really. To restrict such an essential part of being alive is not eliminating governance; it's demanding it. You might be thinking of eliminating statist practice? Though even then people would be allowed to believe that statism is better.
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Feminism is a movement that seeks to eliminate hierarchy in the sphere of gender ? Feminism it itself is a Hierarchy of gender and the core fundamentals of that movement isn't eilgiatrain or against hierarchy, it's another hierarchy as repressive as the now dead Patriarchy. The fact you think Feminism is Anarchism when as proven by the state of Sweden, it's anything but shows how naive you are.
MRA's are mainly Libertarians but not all of them have the same mindset. Much like Feminism, anyone of any ideology can be a MRA. There are Conservative MRA's, Liberal MRA's, Libertarian MRA's and you even have reactionary elements in them as well as Anarchists. My problem isn't the idea of a Feminist being an Anachrist, i'm borderline Anarchist myself and i'm neither a Feminist or MRA, my problem is people not practicing what they're preaching and most of the time, many Feminists who call themselves"Anarchists" are suddenly pro state when it comes to women's rights which is very hypocritical.RednBlackSalamander is a fine example of a hypocritical Anarcha Feminist who wants to only get rid of male hierarchies but do nothing about the Female hierarchies. You're either opposed to all hierarchies or none, you can't have a double standard otherwise you're not a real Anarchist.
Also for a guy who preaches equality, he constantly demonizes the Men's Rights Movement and denies the need for a MRA movement and thinks Misandry doesn't exist so he doesn't partice the whole "Feminism is egalitarianism" message either so he's a fraud and hypocrite on many fronts and is just another Statist Feminazi.
I wish they were just oulters, those minority of Feminists who are Misandrists and want a Matriarchy might be a small amount of feminists but they have the loudest voices in your movement so far. Even you have to admit that the radical feminists have too much power and influence and have hijacked the majority perception of your movement.. If you're all for Feminism and Anacrhism, practice what both should be, not practice this double standard between male hierarchies and female hierarchies and fight under the greater banner of egalitarianism,
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I really have no idea where Sweden comes into either anarchism or feminism. If it's affected by one or the other, it's important to realize that multiple forms of each exist. For instance, communism isn't all Marx. You're kind of generalizing for the majority what may be a minority, and neither of us is really equipped to judge where the minority lies here, as every observation of any demographic is limited in accuracy due to variables such as sample size, cultural differences, and perspective. For instance, from my perspective, the vast majority of feminists tend to believe that men's rights are important too, as they are most certainly are jeopardized in certain situations. That said, it is clear that you have never witnessed patriarchal culture in action if you claim that patriarchy is dead. It most certainly is not, though it is slowly on its way out. I don't blame you for not having witnessed it though. That's not a fault of your own.
You seem to be targeting a lot of people for being so adamant to target RednBlackSalamander. I'm all for people practicing what they preach, but being against male hierarchy doesn't make you statist. Encouraging the state to intervene can be construed as statist, but it's acceptable when trying to affect cultural aspects of the problem fail. I mean, we live in nation-states. It would be highly impractical if not impossible to live entirely as an anarchist in this day and age, considering we are intensely a minority. It's not a double standard to claim that a state could do better. To claim that state action is the only way for things to get better is.
It's kind of easy to demonize a movement that makes misogynist remarks and wild claims (typically based on one messiah-like guy or another) at every turn. I get what they're about. It's a noble cause. That doesn't mean they get to act like assholes about it, and I personally think that this particular comic illustrates the dickishness I've experienced pretty well. I also have never seen a claim that female hierarchy is okay or that misandry doesn't exist out of RednBlack's work, so if you could provide any evidence of such an ad hominem attack, I'd be a bit more apt to accept your claims, whether I agree or not.
Of course the destructive portion of feminism has the loudest voice. That's how it works anywhere. Republicans look like gun-toting morons, anarchists look like Black Bloc vandals, communists look like the USSR, vegetarians look like PETA paint-throwers, fetishists look like rapists, skinheads look like neo-nazis, and of course feminists look like nut-cutting matriarchs. Radicalism is always a factor in anything, and it is always the loudest and most noticed. That most certainly does not make it the majority, and it's important to realize that. Most feminists I've met with are truly egalitarians and take men's rights seriously, even if they can't take the MRA movement very seriously anymore.
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I never said all Feminist were against Men's Rights, if anything i noted in my last response that Feminism has many different ideologies and that only a handful of them reject MRA's yet that handful has the most power and claims to speak for everyone.
You're right, i never witnessed Patriarchal Culture because i live in the west and unless you live in the Middle East ,Africa, Latin America or even Far East, i don't think you've ever experienced it either. If there was a Patriarchal culture, why is there a growing demand for a MRA movement ? Why is it that men even have issues now? Why is it that the court system is stacked against men in favor of women ? That doesn't sound like the Patriarchy at all.
There isn't a Male Hierarchy in the west and the reason i have no respect for RednBlackSalamander is because he is a raging hypocrite and a statist. If he was a true Anarchists, he would not need Feminism because eliminating all Hierarchies would make it pointless to call yourself a Feminist or MRA. Anarchism is Egalitarianism, not Masculism or Feminism and hence his ideology makes no sense and vastly contradicts one in another.
That doesn't make you an Anarchist then, if you still need the state or business, you're not doing Anachroism right. If you need limted state control, then you're a Libertarian, not Anarchist. Anarchists want the complete dismantlement of the state, Libertarians want to reform the state to allow more freedom and more of a direct democracy, Libertarianism is Anarchy lite and really a much more reasonable ideology than wanting to smash the state entirely.
However as you've seen from RednBlackSalamander's comics, he hates Libertarians with a passion even though going by his political ideology ,He's a Libertarian Communist and yet calls himself a Anarcha Feminist which is basically Feminist Anarcho Capitalism which is vastly contradicting his Anachro Communism. Considering his blind support for Anita Sareskiann, he's not at all Libertarian let alone Anarchist but a statist and Neo Nazi going by the fact SJW's have the mentality on par with Nazis.
MRA's are not one collective, there are thousands of different MRA groups and blogs and they each has as wide of a variety of ideologies as Feminism. Most MRA's are not even close to being misogynistic, some of them on the other hand are and also MGTOW's aren't MRA's, they're actually rivals to the MRA's and had been feuding with each other for years and the same thing with the PUA community. That's the problem i have with RednBlack's work, i didn't mind his frist few works against MRA's because fair enough, there are extreme elements in every movement and i encountered some bad MRA's myself, however with the whole Eillot Rodger sketch in which he blames MRA'S for ( Despite Rodger never being a MRA) is where i lose respect for.He essentially thinks all MRA's are the same which shows his igorance of MRA's.
Fair enough, hence why it should be your job to call out and denounce these Feminists from your movement. Really i think that Feminists and MRA's who care about egalitarianism should just get along and just become egalitarians and leave the extremists in both movements to wither away.
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There is most certainly a patriarchal culture in the west. You're right in saying that it's not as severe as the places you listed off, but lesser does not mean nonexistent. There are issues that men face, but they are lesser in number than those of women, and if you have not noticed that then it's fine, but your focus on specific instances is not going to change my mind, nor is it going to make either of our points any less valid. I'm a child of divorce, and the way the courts dealt with custody was stacked against my dad (thankfully my mom didn't dick him over). That doesn't mean that all court cases are stacked against men. MRA's, in my experience, exist because they take certain things like that personally and are blinded to many other issues because of emotional variables, finding any way to make their issue the only issue. This probably isn't all of them or even most of them, but I view their movement much the same way you view mine, I'm sure. Feminism is only as much about installing a matriarchy as MRA's are about installing a patriarchy.
I am an anarchist, wishing that the state was gone entirely. This does not mean that anarchists have succeeded, and to deny that you must give in to certain state-authored ideas means destitution and incarceration in this day and age. If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail. If you don't register for this-that-and-the-other you go to jail. If you don't want to be an authority figure yourself, you accept minimum wage (which is not a living wage on its own, and leads to other issues I won't go into right now). If you want to go into the economics of it, if you don't succumb to fiscal domination by our corporate, pseudo-Smithian economy, you will be homeless and probably die very young.
If you really want to get into what libertarianism is, I suggest you get better reading material, because pure libertarianism and anarchism are one and the same. The libertarians RednBlack tends to discuss are right-wing libertarians (and hardly that, since they are really the libertarian PARTY, which makes as much sense as an anarchist party), and you're correct in saying that he's a left-wing libertarian, because that and anarcho-communism are the same thing. Also, you can be an anarcha-feminist and an ancom, just as you can be an anarcha-feminist and an ancap.
Again, I'm not going to discuss Anita as I don't really know much about her or her stance, but I know that the response against her has been absolutely atrocious in its violence and degrading nature. I don't care what your opinions are of a person. That's just not cool. And to bring Nazism into a comparison like that is not warranting much of a response. Nothing personal. I just really don't like bringing that into the discussion unless the discussion is literally about Nazism.
Fair point about MRA's not all being misogynistic. I'll admit my ignorance of the depths of their movement, as my only experience with them has been constant loud-mouthery and blatant misinformation, which admittedly is common among certain feminists. I do denounce them. I've had friendships crushed when people fall down a rabbit hole into Tumblr's extremism, especially when I claim that they're no longer benefiting anybody. I think that both movements are valid, as focus groups help with efficiency, but you're right. They should get along as egalitarians. The extremists unfortunately won't wither away at this point, but it's our duty to gauge our understanding on the fact that they are the fringes.
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There is most certainly a patriarchal culture in the west.
Explain where is the Patriarchy in the west.
You're right in saying that it's not as severe as the places you listed off, but lesser does not mean nonexistent.
It pretty much is. Men don't have anymore power than women and in some areas, women actually have more power than men.There isn't a single right men have that women don't have.
There are issues that men face, but they are lesser in number than those of women, and if you have not noticed that then it's fine, but your focus on specific instances is not going to change my mind, nor is it going to make either of our points any less valid.
I disagree entirely, do tell me where is it that women are being disenfranchised more than men.Men make up the majority of homeless, majority of victims of violence, make up even the majority of rape victims as of late and majority of people arrested by law enforcement, they also make up the majority of people screwed over in divorced procedures and child custody.
I'm a child of divorce, and the way the courts dealt with custody was stacked against my dad (thankfully my mom didn't dick him over). That doesn't mean that all court cases are stacked against men.
I never said courts were entirely stacked against men however the majority of people affected by divorce are men going by statistics and as someone who is also from divorced parents, i know how you feel.
MRA's, in my experience, exist because they take certain things like that personally and are blinded to many other issues because of emotional variables, finding any way to make their issue the only issue.
Fair enough, there are MRA's who are like that and i don't really seem them better than Feminist extremists who make it all about them and not about eqaul rights.
This probably isn't all of them or even most of them, but I view their movement much the same way you view mine, I'm sure. Feminism is only as much about installing a matriarchy as MRA's are about installing a patriarchy.
Fair enough, hence why i don't consider myself either a Feminist nor MRA. For every Guardian website which are the most misandric group of cunts lead by Jessica Valenti you can think off, you got msyongstic dickheads like Return of Kings and people like Roosh V. I however am supportive to more moderate, egalitarian Feminists and MRA's like Christina Hoff Summers and Warren Farrell.
I am an anarchist, wishing that the state was gone entirely. This does not mean that anarchists have succeeded, and to deny that you must give in to certain state-authored ideas means destitution and incarceration in this day and age. If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail. If you don't register for this-that-and-the-other you go to jail. If you don't want to be an authority figure yourself, you accept minimum wage (which is not a living wage on its own, and leads to other issues I won't go into right now). If you want to go into the economics of it, if you don't succumb to fiscal domination by our corporate, pseudo-Smithian economy, you will be homeless and probably die very young.
Fair enough, i'm a Socialist Libertarian and i personally have no real issues with Anarchism, my only issues is that people who claim to Anarchists don't know what real anarchy is and not understand the definition and context .
If you really want to get into what libertarianism is, I suggest you get better reading material, because pure libertarianism and anarchism are one and the same.
I'm aware of that, hence i find RednBlack to really be a Statist when he supports people like Anita Saresikann.
The libertarians RednBlack tends to discuss are right-wing libertarians (and hardly that, since they are really the libertarian PARTY, which makes as much sense as an anarchist party), and you're correct in saying that he's a left-wing libertarian, because that and anarcho-communism are the same thing. Also, you can be an anarcha-feminist and an ancom, just as you can be an anarcha-feminist and an ancap.
Well that's the thing, while there are Right Wing Libertarians, there aren't that right wing compared to the Statist Rightist. If anything the Koch Brothers as corrupt and fucked up as they are actually have campaigned for Same Sex marriage, Legalization of Marijuana, and they even oppose the Patrtiot ACT from Bush. Granted they're still a bunch of disingenuous snakes with their economic rightist polices but they're pretty culturally liberal which is the oppose of the Far Right Authoriatraions you're conflating with Rightist Libertrainis
As for the Libertarian Party being Right Wing ? I disagree,given this platform.
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They seem to be in favor collectively for LGBT rights long before the Democrats even made LBGT rights their platform, They're actuall pro choice or ambivelent on Abortion unlike the right wing and the one's who are pro life don't wish to overturn Roe V Wade. and respect and support Free Speech unlike the Right Wing. I might have my disagreements economically with the Rightist Libertarians but they're not much different culturally from Left Libertarians. Also Anachra Fem seems to be entirely Ancap and not Ancom.
Again, I'm not going to discuss Anita as I don't really know much about her or her stance, but I know that the response against her has been absolutely atrocious in its violence and degrading nature.
Do some research into her stances on your own and see why is it that people hate her. Also Anita has gotten far less harassment and threats against her than Right Wing Jack Thompson who is equally hostile to gaming as Anita. I don't approve of the trolls harassing her or thompson because that's childish and regardless on how bigoted they are, they should have the right to free speech even if they're trying to take other rights to free speech away.
Fair point about MRA's not all being misogynistic. I'll admit my ignorance of the depths of their movement, as my only experience with them has been constant loud-mouthery and blatant misinformation, which admittedly is common among certain feminists.
Fair enough.glad you seem things rationally because that's how i generally feel about MRA's and Feminists, ablet it i see more bigotry on RadFem parts than MRA's, though it could be that the MRA's at best are only a few hundred thousand members vs the millions of Feminists and at least 1% of that Feminist group being bigots,
I do denounce them. I've had friendships crushed when people fall down a rabbit hole into Tumblr's extremism, especially when I claim that they're no longer benefiting anybody. I think that both movements are valid, as focus groups help with efficiency, but you're right. They should get along as egalitarians. The extremists unfortunately won't wither away at this point, but it's our duty to gauge our understanding on the fact that they are the fringes.
Agreed 100% i'm all for having them unite together and stomping out extremists.
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Patriarchy has disappeared for the most part from exercised legislation, but it takes a lot longer for culture to heal from such disparities. The most recent example I can think of occurred at work, where a man unrelentingly made lewd comments to a female coworker, and she couldn't do really do anything about it. She gave him every warning to stop, and he wouldn't. He even went so far as to make comments related to prostitution. Other regular customers look at my female coworkers as though they were incompetent and only thank me for my "help" when I would do almost nothing in that instance and am by all means less skilled than they are. All of these things are supposedly okay as long as the legislation doesn't affect women's rights, and rarely does a man have to deal with similar psychological conditioning. Culturally we men dominate everything so entirely that it is a big deal if a woman is even in a congressional position. Hell, in boards discussing female medical concerns, there is rarely a woman to represent the people actually being affected. That said, legislation often does favour women. Culturally though, we are still largely patriarchal, and in my opinion this accounts for far more issues in our society than legislation against men tends to, though both are totally worth working on.
As for your statistics, I think that some are probably from questionable sources (the thing about men being raped more in particular) and some are not as alarming as you're making them out to be. By statistical observation, 60% being actuality while 50% is the probability is not uncommon in a sample size this small. I do like statistics, however, and will most likely look into what you're saying.
I think your definition of left/right wing and mine are entirely different. What I'm talking about pertains to left-wing tending to populism and right-wing tending to competition. This doesn't include things like abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etcetera, since those are about rights, which are on a governmental spectrum and not an economic one. I think I would call what you're referencing "liberalism" and "conservativism."
As for everything else, I think we tend to agree on a lot of things, like people being frickin' equal, extremists being annoying, aggression being a no-no, and a bunch of other stuff. The things we differ on are pretty minor, so if you're fine ending this debate soon, I would personally prefer it.
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Patriarchy has disappeared for the most part from exercised legislation, but it takes a lot longer for culture to heal from such disparities.
Yep, i see what you mean. There are some small pockets of sexism left in our society that do go against women's rights as seen with the Far Right, however we're seeing them die off literally because they're part of the generation in which they grew up with deeply misogynistic beliefs and they're losing greatly with more women becoming richer, more powerful and taking up more jobs.
The most recent example I can think of occurred at work, where a man unrelentingly made lewd comments to a female coworker, and she couldn't do really do anything about it.
Can't she report him to the boss for sexual harassment ? What this worker is doing making such comments is in violation of sexual harassment polices.
She gave him every warning to stop, and he wouldn't. He even went so far as to make comments related to prostitution. Other regular customers look at my female coworkers as though they were incompetent and only thank me for my "help" when I would do almost nothing in that instance and am by all means less skilled than they are
Well like i said, we have laws in place protecting against discrimination, those guys should be punished accordingly if they really were harassing and discriminating against her based on her sex.
. All of these things are supposedly okay as long as the legislation doesn't affect women's rights, and rarely does a man have to deal with similar psychological conditioning.
And how does one fight conditioning without trampling on first amendment rights ?If a man steps out of line in a job, most of the time, he's going to face penalties for misconduct.
Culturally we men dominate everything so entirely that it is a big deal if a woman is even in a congressional position. Hell, in boards discussing female medical concerns, there is rarely a woman to represent the people actually being affected.
Fair enough, there needs to be more women's representation however there is no legal discrimination against women and even cultural forms of that is demonized by the general public to begin with. That's still not a Patriarchy,especially when you consider women vote in male congress members and are the largest collective voting bloc and donators of money into our political system
That said, legislation often does favour women. Culturally though, we are still largely patriarchal, and in my opinion this accounts for far more issues in our society than legislation against men tends to, though both are totally worth working on.
I disagree, if there are men's issues, then this society isn't Partiarchal. If anything there are more men's issues according in the last 50 years than women's issues, i'm not saying there aren't women's issues, there are however i'm saying that in comparison to men, women don't get high sentences for the same crime as a man, nor have the criminal justice system against them.
As for your statistics, I think that some are probably from questionable sources (the thing about men being raped more in particular) and some are not as alarming as you're making them out to be. By statistical observation, 60% being actuality while 50% is the probability is not uncommon in a sample size this small. I do like statistics, however, and will most likely look into what you're saying.
Okay then, at least we both agree both genders are capable of rape as well as capable of lying about rape and it's not exclusively a women's issue.
I think your definition of left/right wing and mine are entirely different. What I'm talking about pertains to left-wing tending to populism and right-wing tending to competition. This doesn't include things like abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etcetera, since those are about rights, which are on a governmental spectrum and not an economic one. I think I would call what you're referencing "liberalism" and "conservativism."
Well i was really addressing Authoritarianism and Libertarianism, not Left or Right nor Conservatism or Liberalism.
As for everything else, I think we tend to agree on a lot of things, like people being frickin' equal, extremists being annoying, aggression being a no-no, and a bunch of other stuff. The things we differ on are pretty minor, so if you're fine ending this debate soon, I would personally prefer it.
Yep, we basically agree and it was a pleasure debating you so i think we should end the debate because there isn't much to debate on.
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For clarity's sake, the man making lewd comments was a customer, and being in a customer service position makes it difficult to chastise a customer for being a pig. Basically, I ended up exercising my ability as a dude to NOT have him say anything stomach-wrenching, and made sure to take up all of his attention.
Nice debating with you. Cheers!
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Oh, i see, i thought he was an employee. Yeah that's going to be a bigger issue to tackle.
Thanks.
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Leftist slime defending bullshit industry practices and general shady behaviour? What else is new.
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i can't believe you're actually against gamergate
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He's Anti MRA, i'm not surprised this fucktard is Anti GamerGate.
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He is an Anchra Feminist which is the ulimate Feminazis.
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