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RednBlackSalamander — Nazis vs. Antifa: Frontline Report II
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Published: 2018-06-01 21:03:32 +0000 UTC; Views: 3723; Favourites: 24; Downloads: 7
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Acknowledging the complex effects of communication technology on a rapidly changing world and adapting your tactics accordingly is for LIBERAL COWARDS! Just keep punching until everything is good!Related content
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Wow, you're one of the most far gone faggots ever.
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Calling leftists "Far gone faggots" without additional information only creates unnecessary distance between the left and right wing without making any good points against it (especially when you give that name to someone who is criticizing Antifa).
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I recommend you to read: "How Nonviolence Protects the State" by Peter Gelderloos. Instead of making people you don't understand look stupid.
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Hey, maybe they could start punching teenagers too. That would surely help the anti-fascist cause- get them while they're still young.
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Even though I'm probably one of a few people (especially since I'm still kind of a SocDem on most issues, even though people like you have given me a better understanding of anarchism and other libertarian left philosophies than if I never seen or watched anything made by people like you) who think it's not that big of a moral loss to punch a Nazi in the face (especially the high-profile leaders who know full-fucking well what they're doing is plotting mass murder just for a power grab, and can't have any excuse of being suckered by "populist" rhetoric like some of the lower ranks were - not that I'm excusing the lower ranks for "not knowing better" either, of course), I think it's clearly proven to be a bad idea from a pragmatic viewpoint due to how neo-Nazis (and other "technically we're not Nazis, but we're still racist, homophobic, or just plain authoritarian assholes who want to kill democracy to ensure the survival of 'our people' by the extermination and enslavement of all others" groups) have turned this (or even being non-platformed through completely peaceful means, like mass protests and write-ins to the platform owners resulting in far right speeches and rallies being cancelled at the last second, or their figures being arrested for breaking the law - looking at you, Tommy Robinson: www.youtube.com/watch?v=43x7K8… ) around into being "martyred" for "telling THE TRUTH THE LIBERAL MEDIA (or "(((THE MEDIA)))" for the full Alt-Right's case) DOESN'T WANT YOU TO HEAR!!!"
Needless to say, it's far more important to debunk Nazis and other reactionary pricks online before their toxic ideas can be planted and grown in the minds of impressionable kids (and when it does, we should also try our hardest to make the kids they start brainwashing to realize how exactly they're being duped, to hopefully shake them out of continuing to follow absolute garbage peddled by fascists and "technically not fascist" authoritarians).
I have come around to the idea that anti-fascist protesters should be ready to fight back DEFENSIVELY, if and when the Nazis/fascists/technically not fash but still authoritarian assholes try to pummel or outright murder counter-protesters (after all, an Antifa group did save some clergy who expressed peaceful anti-fascist resistance from a horde of neo-Nazi thugs who tried to dogpile and potentially lynch them - something that personally hit me deep as a Christian (or maybe as "just" a Deist) white man who also happens to take the "Jesus didn't die just so punks in swastika tattoos and Hitler t-shirts - or even "true Christians" of the political right who would gleefully break all of the Ten Commandments to support sexism, homophobia, and white supremacy - can commit tyranny and genocide in His name" approach to my theology: itsgoingdown.org/antifa-saved-… ), and continued physical presence to shout down and drown out the Nazis and other authoritarian righties in physical locations is desperately needed.
However, if we also don't debunk the very ideas these same swastika tat-wearing pricks are spreading online, and kill the idea that they're "martyrs" by exposing how all of their supposed beliefs are all lies to their very core, they'll still have an avenue to grow their numbers even if all of their platforms in the physical world are denied or trashed, and can even weaponize being physically de-platformed to feign being victims of whatever crackpot conspiracy they use to justify their worldview.
WOW, that was a lot to write up, but I hope you can appreciate my attempt to express my thoughts here!
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Heya, MaddKossak. Yeah, essay-length comments kinda always happen on this topic - I know I've done a few in my time.
To keep it short, I agree that debunking is also important - and I suspect the author does too.
Just to clarify what I think the point of the drawing is. I'm pretty sure the last frame suggests that just punching on with Nazis and their ilk doesn't really persuade anyone on its own - hence the kids paying attention to their devices full of fashy memes rather than to the victorious anarchist prancing in their midst and thinking his job here is done. The street is not the only platform where ideas can be shared or contested, and we ignore this at our own peril. Also, i'm pretty sure the author is dubious about the efficacy of "no platform" tactics in general, going by his previous drawings.
(Hope I'm not being presumptuous in jumping in like this, RednBlackSalamander, just thought I'd chip in my two-cent's worth)
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Well, I recognized the author's point (as in yes, I get that it straight-up says "Just punching out Nazis in the street doesn't stop them from recruiting on online channels"), and was chiming in with my own personal thoughts and elaborations (as I felt my personal perception of the issues would help build into the conversation). I wasn't trying to write "I think that the point of this picture is that Nazis need to be physically punched, here are my disagreements on it", I was writing "I get that the point is that physically punching Nazis won't stop them from recruiting online, and I also wanted to share my thoughts on why it should be a higher priority to stop digital recruiting than physical, in-street recruiting."
Thanks for clarifying the point anyways, but I got it the first time. I hope it isn't written in a way that you genuinely confused the point I was trying to make.
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Ack - yes, I definitely did slightly misinterpret your original post then!(Gosh, I feel like a right tool just now) Sorry about that, and thank you for clarifying.
And yeah, I'm with you on order of priorities. Sorry again for misreading your post in a silly manner.
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Punching Nazis is still important. We just need to do more than that.
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Only if the Nazis are harming people first. Otherwise the courts will see you as the bully and bury you underneath a pile of naked bodies while hillbillies laugh at you.
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Best of luck to them if I'm wearing a mask and flee the scene before any bootlicking pigs can catch me. The Nazis' exact intent is to harm people. Giving them a platform is literally asking them to destroy everything we hold dear. That's exactly what happened in Germany, and we must never allow that to ever happen again.
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And that is why Donald Trump became President in the first place. America sees the Left as violent PC thugs. You guys make conservatives too scared to express the opinions. They need Donald Trump to punish the Left for their intolerance.
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Oh, gimme a fucking break. You're defending LITERAL NAZIS, you right-leaning pigshit. Don't you even DARE try to play the victim here. "Violent PC thugs", that's a fucking oxymoron, and living proof that you're really reaching to try and justify the rise of fascism in this broken fucking nation. Donald Trump became president because the American working class is so alienated by neoliberal capitalism (which encompasses both the conservative right and the liberal "left", because liberals aren't real leftists, learn the fucking difference) that their desperation for change has gone as far to believe that a selfish, incompetent, lying bourgeois capitalist pig actually represents them. And thanks to the Trump administration's unforgivable deception, this country is literally going down the crapper. The national debt is higher than it ever has been before, workers' rights are being completely trampled, Net Neutrality is under threat of being repealed, ICE is tearing innocent children away from their families and throwing them in actual concentration camps, environmental protections put on power plants are going right out the window, school shootings are becoming a dime a dozen, millions of college students are drowning in even more debt than ever before, veterans are being treated worse than ever, the list goes on and on. Trump fucked up. You can scream "FAKE NEWS" all you want, but that doesn't change the fucking facts. And before you accuse me of shilling for Hillary, she's equally as bad as Trump, but for entirely different reasons that would take more time than I have right now to get into.
TL;DR Look up Karl R. Popper's Paradox of Tolerance before whining about "muh intolerant lefties" ever again, you pigfucking Nazi apologist.
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And what do you expect me to do? I can’t make those fascists recognize Trump as a threat to their own liberties or punish them for being accomplices. Not because I won’t, but because I don’t have the physical strength or the right things to say to come out on top. They’ll either mock me as if I were Chicken Little or get arrested for a committing a crime of passion.
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So you're admitting to being a weak fucking pussy? No wonder you voted for Trump. Fuck off, you're wasting my time.
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I didn’t even vote for Donald Trump. I voted for Gary Johnson because he was the only other candidate that wasn’t on the main two parties that was on the ballots in all fifty states.
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Oh bullSHIT. Gary Johnson is a fucking idiot, and he's not the only other third-party candidate to vote for. Jill Stein's platform upheld pretty much everything Bernie Sanders stood for and then some. You're both a political and an intellectual coward.
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