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Published: 2008-02-26 15:24:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 19470; Favourites: 791; Downloads: 0
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This amazing! - what a great imagination and talent you have
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Honestly, it's beautiful. I would personally love to see you and Victoria Frances pair up together to make some art. ^_~
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This is a great piece of work! I imply love it! I am happy it got a DD so I could find it!
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Petty mindblowing stuff! outstanding concept and detail!
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Strong concept and drawing, great work on the details.
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i think , this is the most amazing pic that i see in last year.
wonder!!
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This reminds me of Michelangelo's work. Great Job!
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wow, that's amazing
all the details and colors, so realistic~ 
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This whups a mule's ass into January wif a green pipe.
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Great work! So beautiful and incredible details. Amazing.
Luck!
Indigohx~.
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this is amazing. it looks like the best of the pre-raphaelites
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lovely lovely work...you remind me of gustave moreau
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Wonderful work, as usual. I love this serie very much.
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This is beautiful.
It's a sad thing that everyone prizes products of the photoshop factories when there are genuine artists out there putting time, money, and passion into it.
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I don't think its fair that you say stuff like that. I can easily put 50 hours or so into a piece. I use photoshop, not because it's a cheap way out (because its not), because its my favorite media. I use a pencil like everyone else.
I have a deep respect for people who can paint because I simply can't do it. I don't like getting dirty, but I love the smell and the texture and the colors that photoshop can't repeat. The image is physical.
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Just gotta say, people that say stupid things like what you just said make my life
Just because it's done on a computer doesn't mean that the picture paints its self.
There are things you can do digitally that you couldn't do traditionally, and things that can be done traditionally that can't quite be done digitally.
It's a two-way street, pal, and I suggest you respect both, because both mediums are more than deserving of the recognition of talent it takes to make beautiful art
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That's very thoughtless of you to say so. Just because photoshop allows for quicker turnover doesn't mean that the art that comes from it is any less meaningful. People don't prize the "products of the photoshop factories" because they're from photoshop. They prize them because of their artistic merit, regardless of the medium in which they were done.
Saying that photoshop paintings should be held at a lower standard than traditional paintings is like saying that digital photography should be held at a lower standard than film photography. It's not the medium that defines the art. It's the artist.
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But Photoshop can definitely make a 'good' artist look much better than he actually is.
It has shortcuts that simply can't be used in physical traditional art, undoubtedly. And to some this can definitely seem like cheating, depending on the artist's talent and process used within the program, of course.
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It's not "making them look better than they are." It's a different medium. With different tools. And different results. If you like the art, the way it was made should be irrelevant other than as something to be learned from and admired.
Art is the result, not the process. You're trivializing the result because you feel that the process was somehow illegitimate because it is "easier" than a completely different process.
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But it doesn't take much learning, does it, to correct all your tones and values with the click of a button, for example?
I don't believe anybody but you called the process illegitimate.
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"better than he actually is."
"shortcuts"
"cheating"
Sounds like you think it's illegitimate to me.
It absolutely does does take learning. The process you use to correct colors doesn't matter. What matters is that you as the artist recognize that the current colors aren't what you want and that you would like to change them. The process of changing colors that have already been put down in traditional art is EXTERMELY painstaking and can even force you to start over. Just because you don't have to spend massive hours redoing what you've already done to change the colors doesn't mean that you didn't learn about when and why to change colors in the first place.
Using the argument that because it takes less time it's not as good is like saying that we should stop using cars because they take less time and are more convenient.
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That WASN'T my argument. I didn't mean shortcuts as in less time - I meant shortcuts as in not needing to learn how to get things like color harmony and tone and value right for yourself, without seeing a lot of versions first that are made for you by a machine.
I've spent YEARS learning how to do things like that, so forgive me if I find it cheating when people can now get a machine to learn and do it for them.
Yes, the whole thing depends on your own personal angle on it, and your own point of view.
That is my point of view, and it's very different from yours.
No problem there for me.
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It certainly was the impression you gave.
Any digital arts student has to take the same classes that teach colors and color mixing that a traditional arts student has to. They also have to take traditional arts classes, whereas a traditional arts student only has to take traditional arts classes. So if you ask me, the digital student has a more rounded experience and learns far more than the traditional arts student.
As far as color mixing on photoshop, you go through much the same process to get the color you want, it's just faster than having to mix the different colors yourself. You still have to know how much of each color you want in your shade, how much gray you want in it (which, if you don't have a grey pigment, can be harder in that you have to add more of the opposite color to achieve grey, whereas in ps you just move it more towards the grey section), and how light/dark you want it. If you get the wrong color, you can change it much faster, but it still requires you to know the color mixing laws.
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Why was it them impression I gave? Why couldn't it have been the impression you got?
"So if you ask me, the digital student has a more rounded experience and learns far more than the traditional arts student."
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The impression that you gave was that digital art was less legitimate than traditional art. Which it isn't.
Now the impression you're giving is that you're a bitter old woman who doesn't want to acknowledge that there is a form of art than can be done faster and with less hassle than her own and still produce results that people see as art.
If you're going to "laugh" at my comment that I supported with evidence and then not give any evidence to the contrary, we can just stop here. I'm not going to argue with an immature forty-year-old.
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Because of course it's so mature to pull the age card.
OK, if we're playing that game - Grow up, little boy.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
And do you even paint? Digitally or traditionally?!
You're coming across as someone who is just as bitter as you CLAIM I am - why? Have so many people not accepted what you do as art? Which, incidentally, *I* did not say. Not once.
There, how does it feel when someone makes something else of YOUR words and psycho-analyzes you?
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I don't need to be mature. I'm a 20-year-old college student. You, on the other hand, are a 40-year-old who seems to think that it's acceptable to discriminate against art based on its medium. I paint traditionally and use photoshop for my photography, though I have painted in it a couple times. I found it completely impossible without a tablet, and rather difficult with one. Far more difficult than a brush and oils/watercolor.
"You're coming across as someone who is just as bitter as you CLAIM I am"
Oh, that's rich. I'm bitter for calling you out and claiming that all art forms are to be equally accepted? But you're not bitter, right? My bad.
I'm a photographer. What you said about digital painting doesn't affect me in the slightest bit. I'm just here to put you in your place.
"There, how does it feel when someone makes something else of YOUR words and psycho-analyzes you?"
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How am I discriminating by having a personal opinion?
Why do you find it so hard to deal with the fact that people disagree with you?
Is it because you are so young?
I don't need putting in my place because I disagree with you, King Findae.
How arrogant are you?!
And how good are your photos BEFORE you Photoshop them? If you need Photoshop to 'fix' them, doesn't that just make you a bad photographer?
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"How am I discriminating by having a personal opinion?"
Claiming that digital art is somehow less legitimate because it wasn't done traditionally is an opinion, yes. But it's also discrimination. If someone said, "All black people are stupid," it would be an opinion. But it wouldn't make it any less bigoted and unacceptable.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. But those people need to accept that I'm going to argue with them and will either prove them wrong (regardless of whether they accept it) or admit that I'm wrong. Which I have no problem doing.
"I don't need putting in my place because I disagree with you, King Findae.
How arrogant are you?!"
It's putting you in your place because your opinion is discriminatory. If it were simply an opinion without offense, I wouldn't have any problem with it. I wouldn't have even replied to you.
"And how good are your photos BEFORE you Photoshop them? If you need Photoshop to 'fix' them, doesn't that just make you a bad photographer?"
How good are your sketches before you refine them? Photoshop isn't "fixing." It's completing. And you do realize that what is done in Photoshop can also be done in a traditional darkroom (albeit with much more trouble, a fantastic amount of time, and far less control)? If something is done to a photo that couldn't be done in a darkroom, it's technically a photomanipulation, not a photograph.
And I think that if you looked at my photos pre-photoshop, you would find that they are still good. I just prefer to edit them.
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Good grief, you REALLY need to take things less seriously. Now you're mentioning racism to make a point? Do you not realise how many worlds apart the two things are? Is that really how passionate you are about something that you personally do not even do?! Get a grip, boy!
You said:"I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. But those people need to accept that I'm going to argue with them and will either prove them wrong (regardless of whether they accept it) or admit that I'm wrong. Which I have no problem doing."
That alone shows that you don't even understand what opinion is.
You CAN'T change the point of view of people. I know it's part of the arrogance of youth that you THINK you can, but you can't.
I personally call Photoshop "Cheatershop", because of some of the processes I've seen people do with it. It's my point of view. I'm a purist. I respect and admire traditional art above all art, and I always will. Get over it, and go and preach to someone who cares.
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Oh, and I forgot. I do paint. I have about 40 of them sitting at home or on other people's walls. I just choose to not submit them here.
[link] <-- Not a great example, but it's the only one on dA.
I even told you that I paint earlier in our conversation. Think before you speak, please.
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Sorry, you were so like a dog with a bone, and boring me so tremendously that I dozed off a couple of times.
Do you find people do that a lot when listening to you preach?
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"Hi, I'm retarded and fail at reading comprehension. But I'm excellent at attempting to divert the true cause of my ignorance."
That's all I read.
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Your discrimination against digital art may not be as serious a matter as racism is, but it follows the exact same concept. You are frightened by something that you don't understand, so you make every attempt to belittle it.
An opinion ceases to be a simple opinion when you are discriminating against something. It becomes something that can be argued to a finite decision as to the correct ending. Of course I can't change your view. But I can help to point out your own incredible ignorance and fear.
You call it "cheatershop" because you're bigoted and scared of something that trivializes the processes that take you hours to accomplish. Get over yourself and accept change.
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"You are frightened by something that you don't understand"
"But I can help to point out your own incredible ignorance and fear."
How many wrong assumptions can you make in one day? Are you going for a world record?! And who do you think you are - some kind of art policeman?!
You are an arrogant and pompous child.
By the way, Cheatershop totally ruined your photo. There's yet another good reason to avoid it and learn to paint properly in a true ART program like ArtRage or similar. Goodbye.
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