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If you're seeking realism GO ON YOUR WAY. You've been warned, all comment stating : that's not realist will be deleted.If you're commenting without bothering reading the description, maybe I should delete your comment too ?
I'm pretty patient, but not to the point of answering the same question 10th time, okay ?
Looks like some people didn't bother to look for part 2 :Β
Once and for all : the normal or Average CHANGE DEPENDING THE COUNTRY YOUR FROM.
Something could be skinny for you but normal for others. On the contrary what you consider normal could be considered fat by someone else.Β
I'm especially talking to those affected by countries invaded by Junk Food.
THIS IS WHAT I ( and french doctors ) CONSIDER AS THE NORMS : Woman : 1m63 and 63kg ( Men: 1m75 and 77kg ) . It's the average of the woman population etablished by INSEE ( national institute of statistics and economics studies )
It also vary from each individual depending on your education.
Now that this is done, I've made that "chart" because the difference in what my commissioner ask and what I understand can be a problem.
- Model : What I use for fashion design.
- Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for.
- Meaty : That's what I call chubby, plump and the kind. It's NOT fat. I always start by adding "fat" on the hips and thighs, that's were woman usually start to store it but it depends on your character metabolism and genetic
- Athletic : I'm not really into drawing athletic women. Breasts are lump of fat, your characters are unlikely to have huge breast if they do lots of sports but it also depends on the sports, metabolism and genetic.
Those are the "base" of each category. When you can start seeing the difference between all those.
If I feel like it then I'll develop each category , although I won't go into extremes
Don't repost, don't trace ect ... If you wish to use those as base it's only for non-commercial work and you HAVE TO credit me.
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Thanks, amazing that some people comment without even reading the description when all their complaints is answered in there. MAybe next time I'll just disable comments to avoid getting useless comments that's already been answered
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The one thing I don't get about fashion design. Why do you design clothes for models that don't exist? Doesn't it make more sense to fit the clothes design to a regular body rather than to a utopian shape? Wouldn't that improve the practicality of the design?
I know it should support the elegance but that only applies to the theory doesn't it? Practically you won't reach this perfect design as you would reach biologic borders of the human body with it.
So why going with the rather abstract portrayal of the design?
I don't get. Any fashion designer here who can tell me what they teach at the design schools or how they back up this weird norm?
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The thin look actually originated with a model called Twiggy which inspired the artists making fashions to draw body types similar to hers. It's been going on now for well over a decade.
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I don't make actual clothes out of my designs so I don't really care about the model XD
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Did you study it at a school or is it really more of an hobby?
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Fashion design is literally about the design first, over everything else. High fashion isn't made to be practical in the least, they aren't expecting average people to buy the monstrosities they create at some store.Β
The models are nothing more than walking clothing racks when it comes to high fashion, you just need something to tote the clothing around in the barest shape of a human being you can find. The clothing is meant to be a work of art on it's own merit, you might as well compare it to framed paintings walking down a runway.
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huh. So they indeed look for impossible model standards? What I hear of the fashion scene is sometimes unbelievable. For example there was a german model winning a TV show (which is the first questionable thing but anyway). She was rejected by a company because she was not thin enough. A award winning model was not thin enough for a fashion company... Stories like these really make me question this trend, frankly. I just ask myself if this would not happen if the design itself would be portraied more realistic and not in this typical ultra slim waist style.
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It might seem awful and cutthroat, and in a lot of ways it is, but everyone in the fashion industry knows that it's an artform and they need the perfect 'medium' as it were to best show off that art. Like I said, at least within high fashion, the person doesn't matter, the creators are aware of the fact that average people don't buy those kinds of items, so they aren't made to cater to them, a lot of the clothing itself might not even be wearable for long periods of time, only specifically made to be able to hold itself together down the runway, that aspect of the clothes being so detailed that they're one of a kind also shows why they're so expensive.
Though you really could just go and compare it to a lot of modern installation artworks, the kind that takes up a whole room, the creator knows that the average person wouldn't be able to fit in their house, but leaving that consideration behind allows the artist to do away with a lot of practical constraints, same with high fashion clothing.
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They're all the same. Incredible
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I'm always looking forward to your next uploads, your art and charts always give me inspiration !
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In the nicest way possible -These all look exactly the same,
Wieght gors to to shoulders, waists, arms and necks - Β not just hipsΒ
the "meaty" one shoul have more weight in her shoulders, arms and neck and barely aany " tuck in" around her middle.Β
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As I said in the desc : "Those are the "base" of each category. When you can start seeing the difference between all those."
If I feel like it then I'll develop each category , although I won't go into extremes
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from far away, they look literally exactly the same
talk about no diversity
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good lord if that's meaty I must be morbidly obese. Also, normal??? No... there is no such thing as a normal body type. I think you mean average.Β
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www.thesaurus.com/browse/normaβ¦
As we can see here in the thesaurus, normal and average are synonymsΒ
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That doesn't mean it's the right word to use. Normal implies that anything other than it is abnormal. Average is the correct word to use here because it implies that the body type is in the middle, it's an average of all the others combined.Β
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Well idk. my body looks the exact same as the normal one and i consider myself average and see that as normal human. So why cant that be like any other, she said this is her base, meaning boobs and thighs and stuff probably get little edits. she said this isnt supposed to be realistic as well. so for how she draws normal body types, its how she draws and sees average builds, and how i see them
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K, that's not what I'm saying at all.Β
I'm saying, it's offensive and fatphobic and just honestly rude to imply that there is such a thing as a "normal" body type. It's also ableist to those that are missing limbs, or have extra limbs or anything else to do with their body.Β
Realistic or not, the fact that they all look exactly the same is proof to me that the artist needs to start drawing more realistically and study human form because the meaty one looks average and the "normal" one looks like a model.Β
There is no such thing as a "normal" body type, only an average body type. A company got in a lot of trouble a little while ago for putting out a self tanner that said "normal to dark skin" on it. This is another example of why "normal" isn't always the right word.Β
This art is subpar, and the excuse that it's "not meant to be realistic" is just that, an excuse. Fat people exist, and fat isn't a bad word. Nor is it not beautiful, or not Normal.Β
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I dont see it as disability discrimination, not that people with extra limbs should be shamed, but do you truly believe it is normal, average, and common to be born with an extra limb or any deformity? This is coming from someone who has a deformity, I have NO problem seeing this as abnormal, and that doesnt bother me to know that fact. Youre saying realistic or not, but then say this artist MUST draw a certain way and make it more realistic, when, no, she doesnt. This is her art. If she wants to draw people this way she can, you can clearly see she posted another version of this with even bigger people. I dont like the looks of overweight people, some people do, but why should people need to change their own art because some people like it? How is it fatphobic (I cant believe this is a word) when its just personal preference like how some people like a certain eye color. This is drawn by someone in a country where that meaty picture is considered bigger, its a different culture and you should respect other peoples cultures instead of telling them to draw things larger than they are used to. To me, normal, and average, being synonyms are the same word. Maybe its since english isnt what Im used to, but to me it is the same
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I can totally see the difference, to me they're fairly different from each other.
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they all look exactly the same dude
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Look at the difference in the waist and legs. Not that hard.
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The difference between the models is identical to the difference in body shape of the same person going through different degrees of dehydration.
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It sounded really insulting, but I meant that if you don't go to a drink and visit a sauna for a couple of hours, your body changes about that much. Meh.
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the fact that you would call that a quantifiably sized difference is amusing
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because that's her own way to make bodies size dude
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they probably need more practice actually drawing different body types then
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Her style is like this; there isn't a rule that says that we must draw different types of bodies and that these should look different from each other; if I want to (and I actually do) I make every of my characters with the same size. If she likes her own variety of bodies, cool. I don't understand what's the problem with the examples; we all have different styles of drawing.
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"its my style" is rarely an excuse for poor anatomical understanding and variety
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I have practiced anatomy more than you seem to think. I draw what I want to draw, and I basically think f the human body as strange so the last thing I want is to be realist
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shame that your desire to not be a "realist" excludes many, many different kinds of people that you could stylize perfectly fine if you actually applied more effort at it
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If I force myself drawing something I don't want then I might as well stop drawing
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Why don't you want to draw fat people? What's wrong with drawing fat people? Why would drawing fat people make you want to stop drawing?
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you should take a look at part 2.
And to answer : because I don't have fun drawing them the I won't draw them. It's that simple ? what are you people getting so worked up over ?Β
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It's really not that simple actually. Why wouldn't you have fun drawing them? I have tons of fun drawing fatter, or thicker, or chubbier people. There's more curves and fun lines to work with.Β
You can't just stick meaty on a drawing of a thin person. That's why we're all "worked up". Not to mention, none of these look very different. I've seen your other art and you're good, but seriously you need to do some life drawing. You'll get much better.Β
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Weither I have fun or not is up to me ( and not like I choose it either ) . I don't have fun drawing men either, are you gonna force me drawing something I don't enjoy ?
'cause that's what you are currently doing. That's not called a constructiv criticism, that's shoving your opinion on someone else
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I don't have fun drawing men either but I still do it because thats what an artist does, they push themselves so they can learn.Β
If you don't want to draw fat people then don't, I really don't don't care. However if you aren't going to, don't lie and label your drawings "meaty" just because her hips are bigger. That's bull.
And also, there is no such thing as a "normal" body type. Normal and Average are not interchangeable in this case. Using the word normal, implies the other body types are abnormal. The word you're looking for here is average, and only average.Β
And I'm not forcing you to do anything actually, I'm just asking why you hate drawing fat people and telling you that you could benefit from doing life drawing. Which, you could. Because your drawings, while you aren't going for realism, like you've already said a million times, are still very unrealistic.
Semi-realism isn't some magical art borderline universe where fat people don't exist. If you aren't actually going to draw a meaty looking person, don't label in meaty. Go study the way fat gains on female bodies because that's definitely not it.Β
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what am I supposed to say the if it's not meaty ? I'm not from an english talking country, I don't know any other world for that.
Normal and average are the same word no matter what you say, the norm is defined by the average.
I do life drawing, just never posted any, it's lost in a sea of paper anyway.
Never said that is semi-realist either. As for "not going for realism" is wrong 'cause I said I want to keep away from realism.
But well, looks like nothing I say go through so if someone else want to debate then, feel free to do so. I'm not gonna change my opinion anyway
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I AM from an english speaking country and I'm telling you that Normal and Average, while yes they are synonyms, you can not use them interchangeably in this situation. There is no Normal body type, just an Average that you get by smooshing all other body types together. Normal implies that the rest of the body types are ABNORMAL, which is offensive. Hopefully I have managed to explain that correctly and you can learn to understand now. As an English speaking person I'm telling you that in this case, while the words are synonyms, they cannot be exchanged and mean the same thing.Β
Whether you define this as semi-realist or not, it is. It's Semi Realistic no matter how you slice it.Β
As for what you should label it if not meaty... label it average. Because that's what it looks like. Meaty would have less definition on the collar bones, bigger arms and much bigger thighs. There would be no gap between the thighs either unless standing apart. Breasts tend to get a little larger as well when you gain weight. What you've drawn isn't meaty, it's quite literally average weight.Β
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It may be average weight from your point of you but were I live it's not.
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nice to know putting forth the effort to know how to actually respect and know how to draw various body types instead of just idealized skinny people is a motivation to stop drawing yo :^)
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I literally cannot believe someone just sat there and went "I hate the idea of drawing actual fat women SO much that I'd rather consider just NOT drawing at ALL". How much do you have to hate fat people to even think that good lord lmfao.Β
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