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Description Is it weird to anyone else that the big crossover featuring the evil Nazi's looks more fun than the one featuring the immortal super-ninjas?

Suffice to say, I was kind of let down with the Defenders.  It never really seemed to live up to the hype that was set up for it.  For all the talk of "There's a War coming!" and how "The city will FALL!!!", the bad guys plan in the Defenders ended up being incredibly lackluster.  And confusing.  The build up to the series as well never really seemed to all come together.  Rather than all the pieces falling into place like a finely crafted jigsaw puzzle, instead what it seemed like was that the writers thought up of something "Cool," but didn't know how it would place in the series proper.  "What if Daredevil and Elektra find a big hole in the basement that goes down forever?"  "Cool!  And then what"  "I don't know!"

 I could go on.  The villains in Defenders were lame and lacked any substance, and had baffling and confusing motivations.  Stupid stuff happened for no reason other than to "Shock" the audience.  Characters clashed with one another because that fuels "Drama" rather than it actually being based on actual legitimate conflict.  The big final fight was indistinguishable from all the other fights in the series, except it took place in a super confined and dimly lit space.  And, moreoever, it just seemed to lack any fun.  Defenders just seemed like they were trying too hard to be "Edgy" and "Grimdark!"  But you don't get to be serious and grim and realistic and edgy and super, duper serial, and have the big threat of your series be about a bunch of magical super ninjas who want to dig up dragon bones because it'll make them immortal for some reason. 

It's either one or the other, guys.  You can't have it both ways. 

Meanwhile, the Arrowverse crossover, "Crisis on Earth X" just seems to be way more fun.  Despite being about a bunch of super Nazis.  It's just a fun concept that hearkens back to the history of DC comics. Maybe they don't have the budget or the resources or the advertising revenue or the ability to build it up across as many series as the Marvel Netflix shows, but by golly they're going to swing for the fences and see if they can't hit a home run.

And I can't but help admire their moxy and gumption on that. 
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Comments: 28

ElvenRaptor [2019-01-28 02:48:54 +0000 UTC]

Movies:

MCU > DCEU

TV/Streaming:

MCU < CW DC

Honestly, I've never really been all that sold on Marvel Studio's TV/Streaming productions. They're either WAY more crude and crass than they need to be, or WAY too mundane.

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Ziggyman [2017-11-30 20:40:51 +0000 UTC]

Good to see these little strips back again.
Not one new coming about Marvel comic's recents shakes ups? I enjoy your perspective.

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Dragon-sword In reply to Ziggyman [2017-12-01 03:27:21 +0000 UTC]

By shake-ups, do you mean something that's been happening in the comics themselves, or the stuff that's been going on behind the scenes—er... panels? My comic purchasing budget's been pretty low lately, plus I don't really read anything in the mainstream universe.

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Ziggyman In reply to Dragon-sword [2017-12-01 14:46:15 +0000 UTC]

The behind panels. They has been more active than Legacy, which has moved slow... very slow.
But, hey, the Avengers trailer was cool.

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to Ziggyman [2017-11-30 23:28:06 +0000 UTC]

Don't really have anything funny to say about it.  It's more depressing than anything else. 

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lordcrotch [2017-11-28 14:31:30 +0000 UTC]

Defenders was a little sloppy but I did enjoy the reveal about the giant hole and the dragon skeleton. It gives the MCU another piece of cool mystical history.

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theTomontheinternet [2017-11-28 11:36:27 +0000 UTC]

One thing I really enjoyed about The Defenders was seeing Daredevil and Jessica Jones again, because it had been forever since I had last seen them on screen.

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MOMOpJonny [2017-11-28 05:21:46 +0000 UTC]

Because the take away is "heroes kill nazis" and sadly we have 1 in office.

The build up fell a little flat in Dearedevil season 2 with Elektra, which they could have focused on AFTER the Punisher origin bit. And Scott Buck's mediocre telling of IRON FIST. But the whole point of the ninjas- find a dragon's skeleton to get immortality juice. Iron Fist was the weaker of the team because of his lackluster show.

DCTV has been focusing on heroes being more fun and energized instead of the brooding Nolan + Watchmen-esque pout treaders the WB used to make them out to be.

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D-FenderProductions [2017-11-28 02:54:41 +0000 UTC]

Eh, the Nazis feel more lackluster to be honest.

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StockerHawk In reply to D-FenderProductions [2017-11-28 04:58:02 +0000 UTC]

at least it for 4 part and it not a  bug drag on built up for 2 seasons in one show and one season in the other.

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bjv016 [2017-11-28 02:29:16 +0000 UTC]

Same here; it's been pretty good so far.

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roisepoise101 [2017-11-28 01:37:11 +0000 UTC]

Any opinion on Axel Alonso getting fired from Marvel and C.B. cebulski becoming Marvel's new editor and chief?

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to roisepoise101 [2017-11-28 05:06:51 +0000 UTC]

It's good that Alonso is no longer EIC, but it still remains to be seen if Cebulski will be able to turn things around and fix things that need to be fixed.

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roisepoise101 In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-06 01:56:42 +0000 UTC]

Hopefully things will turn out ok. And look at this way at least Tom Brevort got passed up for the job...again.

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to roisepoise101 [2017-12-06 23:50:45 +0000 UTC]

From what it sounds like, Breevort doesn't want the job.  He far more prefers it where he is.

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roisepoise101 In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-07 02:35:36 +0000 UTC]

True, but his and along with a lot of these writers should be and might be worried about their job right now since (so far at least) C.B. Cebulski is a normal person and wants to get the extremely far left politics out of the comics. 

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to roisepoise101 [2017-12-07 05:17:46 +0000 UTC]

We have no way of knowing that for sure.  We've yet to see anything from his run.  If anything, his run may even be more left wing, just done so in subtle or more comfortable ways. 

He was clearly hired to change things within the current direction.  We have no way of knowing what that will entail, however. 

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roisepoise101 In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-19 21:58:13 +0000 UTC]

Well if it's any consolation prize to you Dan Slott just got kicked off Amazing Spiderman and his last issue is going to be #797. 

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to roisepoise101 [2017-12-19 23:33:28 +0000 UTC]

Uh, no.  That's the start of his possible last storyline.  It'll likely be somewhere around ASM #800.  But that still doesn't preclude him from moving onto a spin off title like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. 

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roisepoise101 In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-20 01:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah but at least he's off the main Spiderman book. And realistically how long will/would Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman last before it gets cancelled due to low sales. 

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to roisepoise101 [2017-12-21 05:28:01 +0000 UTC]

But Marvel would likely not want it to get low sales.

Still, keeping him on is unlikely.  He's not getting the sales he used to, and spinning him off onto another title likely wouldn't have the same effect as giving Scott Snyder All Star Batman did for the Batman books.  All it'd likely do is confuse the issue, and which Spider-Man title "Counts."  And given Marvel's current predicament, I could see them trying to avoid such confusion, or fracturing their fanbase that way.

On the other hand, Marvel hasn't impressed me with their decisions as of late, and I can definitely see them being stupid enough to pull Slott off of ASM, but give him another Spider-Man title, because making him happy is more important to them than appeasing the fanbase.

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roisepoise101 In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2018-02-26 19:30:36 +0000 UTC]

I guess the question is now is how long will slott last on Iron man?

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Dragon-sword In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-01 03:30:51 +0000 UTC]

How long do you think it could take for him to change things? I mean, there's clearly still stuff that's already been set in motion and he can't really stop at this point.

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RobertMacQuarrie1 In reply to Dragon-sword [2017-12-01 05:34:58 +0000 UTC]

When Quesada first took the job almost two decades ago, I was actually very surprised at how much power an EIC actually has, and how quickly he was able to start turning things around and approving projects.  Certain things may already be in motion, but the direction they go in could change.  Not to mention that not a lot of projects have been announced, so there is still some time to tweak them if need be.

There's also the fact that Cebulski was given the position in very curious circumstances.  He was all the way in Shanghai when he got the job, and it took him over a week to get back to the States.  Which means the official EIC of Marvel wasn't even in the country for the first week of his job.  Couple that with the fact that Alonso was dismissed at a rather interesting time of the year, and right in the middle of the second month of the big "Legacy" initiative by Marvel, that really tells me that the higher ups want to see some really rapid change in terms of the direction of the comics.  And they desperately need it to, given that Legacy was not the sales boost that Marvel needed and the figures have pretty much settled back to where they were before, if not lower. 

So I suspect that the point of getting Cebulski in there as EIC is for him to make changes pretty quickly, and very suddenly.  There's no "Easy transition" period.  Marvel seems to want to have change and get positive results back for their comics division right away.  So after the first full week on the job, we just might start to see Marvel promoting upcoming projects that will ideally get fans excited about Marvel again.  Especially since Marvel's sales cannot stand to get any lower.

 Alonso and Legacy's problem was the assumption that they had six to eight months to spare and string fans along.  What Marvel and Cebulski might realize is that they cannot give empty promises, and they have to start advertising stories and changes that will get fans excited right now, and start buying again.

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Ziggyman In reply to RobertMacQuarrie1 [2017-12-04 16:46:16 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. My main problem with Legacy is than Marvel teased a big storyline, but after that there was no place where you could follow up: Where is Robbie Reyes? Where is Logan? The big return of Wolverine was promoted but in any of the books this has been mentioned,not enven in Jeen Grey book and suppously she is a first line witness. All Marvel doesis promote tease and promos but the books don't fulfill the expectatives.

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Wyote [2017-11-28 01:31:34 +0000 UTC]

So strange Marvel's winning with the movies but DC's winning when it comes to series.

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Gunnut51 [2017-11-28 00:46:48 +0000 UTC]

I guess DC is making it up for the shortcomings of their movies somehow

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FLASHFAN123 [2017-11-28 00:43:29 +0000 UTC]

I agree. DC TV seems to be better than Marvel's.

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