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****Ahhhh, million times apologies! Dunno what went wrong, and right when I was off for the weekend of course. Movie should be fixed now.
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Ah, Crisis Core. I always considered it the big brother of Kingdom hearts 353/2 days.
Both spinoffs staring a tragic minor character, so with both you can assume it'll have a sad and anti-climactic ending, both dedicate a lot of gameplay to small story unrelated missions, both have a "2 best friends fight each other to death" setpiece going on, there's an entire new subplot thrown in the old canon including all new characters that the fandom immediatly hates (Well, dunno if the fandom hates Genesis and Angeal that much, but I for one prefer Xion at least a lot more then annoying endless poetry reading Genesis.. Ughhh.) etcetera etcetera.
On most of these themes, Crisis core faires better then Kingdom Hearts, the missions are optional and there's a lot of story related main missions, the subplot here is a lot better and actually gives the ending of the game still a bit of closure, instead of putting even more emphasis on the anticlimactic nature.. Yes, Crisis Core does a lot better, but there's one thing Kingdom hearts did better, and that's the Xion versus Roxas battle..Which I already found weak there.
But there, the best friends fight each other had more build up, and the characters had at least, tough very abstract and weak, motivations, here the Angeal versus Zack fight is a lot more random.
The one thing both are equally good (err, bad) in, are the lame passive villains. I really dislike modern Square Enix villains. They started with boring "forces of evil" in the first 5 final fantasies, then theyh ad a brief golden era with complete psycho's that, while little substance, where at least a lot of fun and very effective, with Kefka and Seprioth, then we go into the "Uhmm..what?" type of villains in Final fantasy 8 and 9, and ever since then we have villains in which I don't even know WHY they're villains.
What's up with Genesis, all missions where I have to kill him, he's doing nothing but randomly standing around in factories or forests with his clones, reading his damn Loveless poetry. And Angeal is "Whaaa, I'm a monster so I must kill people!". Why dude, it's your own choice. So upset that you have wings? You're a Soldier, you're already a freak of nature, so whatever. I wish the game elaborated more why everyone thinks that having wings= must immediatly kill everyone.
Anyway, that's all peanuts with the MEGA HUGE plothole this game has, destroying it's own 3th act and even Final fantasy 7's sad prologue with it.
Zack adn Cloud work for mega corporation Shinrah, but during an accident they "die" and then get thrown in Shinrah's EVIL laboraties where they're being experimented on. They escape and are now fugitives, desperatly trying to get to Midgar to meet Aeris again, but sadly, Zack is shot and killed right before the city borders.
Good story, except in Crisis core they ruin this by A) Giving Zack a still working cellhpone (which he carried around during his torture sessions in the lab, even tough he was naked? Okay...)
Okay, I guess it's arguable how much of a plothole this is, I guess he never calls Aeris for fear that Shinrah will find out where he is, altough 1) He gets repeatedly attacked by Shinrah during his trip to Midgar, so they already kinda know where he is, 2) he doesn't have to tell Aeris his location, he can just have a normal conversation and 3) If Shinrah can track his cellphone...Well, then calling is not even necesairy to begin with.
So yeah, it's a arguable case, but it still ruins the drama for me to know that Zack was one phone call away from Aeris the entire time.
And then we have plothole B, the real big one.
He can still do missions for Shinra. I COULD have put this under the "It's a videogame, you're supposed to assume these missions happen before the betrayel" thought, but there's one problem.
You get at least one specific mission AFTER, and even ABOUT the Nibelheim incident, Hojo asks you to rekill a copy of Sephiroth for studies.
This means that
A) Shinra still hires Zack while hes'a fugitive
B) Zack happely works with Hojo, the man who personally tortured him
C) Zack happely rekills Seprioth, even tough that fight must have hold 2 or 3 huge trauma's for him by now.
D) Zack helps Shinrah on new fighting data, and Shinrah gives Zack money, which they both can use against each other.
E) Zack can, at any time during his tragic trip to Midgar, just GO to Midgar.
Since it's Canon that he get's this mission after the betrayel, that means all bets are off for all the other missions as well, and there are several missions (especially by the housing office) that are done in the slumps.
So yeah, Zack can happely wander around in Aeris's backyard during any time while he's on his tragically doomed trip to see Aeris.
This plothole blasts so many holes in the plot that it baffles me. Ah Square Enix, you didn't think it trough, did ya?
Thanks to Rugal and Sassi for voices, and if you want to see a...glitchy because of darn Blip.. 3 minute version of Final fantasy 7, go here:
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Comments: 185
Forestpelt [2010-12-30 04:51:24 +0000 UTC]
Ya gotta admit, the end of the game WAS pretty sad... XD
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Rogerregorroger In reply to Forestpelt [2010-12-30 08:25:22 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it was. I was sad by the ending, they did a good job on that.
Still, it's my duty as "in 3 minutes" teller to completely ruin it, hohoho.
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ShoTerakado123 [2010-12-28 19:52:57 +0000 UTC]
Death by: Damn I'm not in the sequal. That's happened to me in manga...damn
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rayman1oo [2010-12-13 01:31:22 +0000 UTC]
I think cloud's brain went on a coffee break or something
great job
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Rogerregorroger In reply to rayman1oo [2010-12-13 08:55:54 +0000 UTC]
nah, Mako poisoning. That, and the traumatic experience of killing someone who looked up to/seeing his hometown destroyed/ having a neardeath experience himself.
..
and maybe coffeebreak, why not.
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Tkhoa In reply to ??? [2010-12-09 00:44:52 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure there's some continuity lampshade about the missions (I think some soldier says something when you first get missions, like 'It remembers the missions')
The Aeris things is more of a stupid 'Have to do it in person' sort of thing.
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Rogerregorroger In reply to Tkhoa [2010-12-09 15:39:07 +0000 UTC]
Again, even if the missions are supposed to be before the Nibelheim incident, there's still AT LEAST that one mission were hojo asks Zack to re-fight Seprioth. I can't picture any moment between Seprioth going crazy and Zack being on the run when THAT mission could have taken place. During the moment Zack was unconsiouss while Cloud was finishing off Seprioth?
And if THAT mission is after the NIbelheim incident, then all bets are off for all the other missions as well.
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UltraTheHedgetoaster In reply to ??? [2010-12-07 12:42:47 +0000 UTC]
Funny as always. "You were born in a laboratory" -> "I instantly want to kill everyone!"
Actually, that reminds me a lot of Shadow's reaction in his own game, when Eggman tells him he is a robot and he is his creator.
He instantly wants to kill him, no explanation given. Silly. "Digital Sephiroth"
...
"Digital Sephiroth used Digital Super Nova!"
"Digital Sephiroth has performed an illegal operation and will now be shut down."
...sounds like an apocalyptic computer virus someone would make to destroy the financial market and stuff Dr. Hojo's (?) mission
Hehe, nothing like a mission completelly in contrast to the plot! "first class soldier VS untrained old dying scientist"
What? The final boss doesn't transform into an untrained old dying anime monster? What a tiwst! Eh... main hero gets killed right before the end credits? Lol.
Hm, I'd say you'd need to put more "flashing lights" around the "FF7 explosive" link at the end... I guess a lot of people are gonna miss that.
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Rogerregorroger In reply to UltraTheHedgetoaster [2010-12-07 23:13:57 +0000 UTC]
It's a typical anime thing yeah, as soon as the hero realizes heh as amnesia, or worse, get's a hint about his past, he'll instantly starts to kill everyone, ESPECIALLY the ones who can help him.
Would be funny to see what a digital Seprioth could have done in the real world, bt alas, the digital bosses are nothing more but just random boss fights, an excuse to erkil the same bossses over and over, whee.
The untrained old dying scientist is not the final boss tough. The real final boss is Genesis, who DOES turn into a giant monster randomly, don't worry.
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UltraTheHedgetoaster In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-12-08 23:53:53 +0000 UTC]
Heh ... Norton Antivirus VS Sephiroth. Xp
And Sephiroth stabbing the paperclip from Microsoft Word in the back in a tragic death scene.
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Rogerregorroger In reply to UltraTheHedgetoaster [2010-12-09 15:34:46 +0000 UTC]
and instead of Cloud lowering Aeris in the water as a final respect to her, we get nerdss lowering paperclips corpse into lava as a final lack of respect for him.
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UltraTheHedgetoaster In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-12-11 00:17:41 +0000 UTC]
nah, they lower him into the trash bin ...and then empty the trash bin.
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KaoriDescender [2010-12-06 17:20:01 +0000 UTC]
Jij bent gewoon DE MAN om op een droge manier de abnormale feiten van een game voor te leggen. Geniaal
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SephySnu In reply to ??? [2010-12-05 20:44:22 +0000 UTC]
lolz, pretty much. Funny at times, too! Genesis is hilarious!
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SephySnu In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-12-05 21:01:33 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome! Ahh, I could watch this so many times. lolz. Love it so much!
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SarahGoodwill In reply to ??? [2010-12-04 01:26:08 +0000 UTC]
lol I keep watching and it gets funnier ever time
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K-E-Y-K-O In reply to ??? [2010-12-02 16:17:31 +0000 UTC]
that's better than the first one^^
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Rogerregorroger In reply to K-E-Y-K-O [2010-12-02 17:50:39 +0000 UTC]
the not working first one, you mean?
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ToastersToastToast [2010-12-02 01:23:05 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, you could have asked me to play Zack in this, too. It's fine that you didn't, just saying, don't be afraid to ask me for help. I won't mind. I love voice acting. ^^
Did you not ask me because you thought my voice wasn't fitting for adult Zack or something?
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Rogerregorroger In reply to ToastersToastToast [2010-12-02 08:27:34 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, but I made this entire flash movie in 4 days and had a tight deadline since it had to tie in with the final fantasy 7 flash and I was gone for the weekend.
I only hire voice actors I don't really know that much for movies that have more time to breath, for quickies as this I use myself and a select few I know can do the job in a short amount of time.
See, kingdumb hearts is planned 3 months in advance.
It's not that I don't trust you, I'm just scared sending an voice requests off in the deep when there's only 3 days left on the clock.
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ToastersToastToast In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-12-02 13:58:05 +0000 UTC]
Ah, okay. That makes sense.
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PParreira In reply to ??? [2010-11-30 16:06:44 +0000 UTC]
Best. Ending. EVER XD
I never felt more acomplished in my life after spending 4 weeks playing this
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Rogerregorroger In reply to PParreira [2010-11-30 18:19:30 +0000 UTC]
felt kidna bad about it since the original Crisis Core endign was quite powerfull.
But alas, my comedy must destroy all drama. Mhuahhaa.
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PParreira In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-11-30 18:31:24 +0000 UTC]
yup, you are "the-one-who-shouts-wheeeeee-in-a-middle-of-a-dramatic-moment"!!
Nice title, huh? o/
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DCLeadboot [2010-11-30 11:45:17 +0000 UTC]
Blimey! Those mad scientists making biological weapons and lifeforms - they sure never learn!
Wasn't that Judge Dredd at the end, too?
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Rogerregorroger In reply to DCLeadboot [2010-11-30 11:56:16 +0000 UTC]
Judge Dredd? Nah, or Zack would be more maimed.
Nah, that's just how foot troops look like in FInal fantasy 7.
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ToastersToastToast [2010-11-30 06:32:59 +0000 UTC]
ToastersToastToast comments on Roger's Final Fantasy VII video!
Comment explodes!
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Rogerregorroger In reply to ToastersToastToast [2010-11-30 08:26:04 +0000 UTC]
I like the smell of burned comments in the morning
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ToastersToastToast In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-12-01 01:59:18 +0000 UTC]
They're good with butter.
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Arexion In reply to ??? [2010-11-29 15:38:38 +0000 UTC]
Well that summed up the whole game pretty well.
I have noticed that in FF7 the flower girl's name is Aeris and she dies in the game. In every other game where she appears, she's Aerith and she doesn't die during the game. Hmm... what if I name her as Aerith in the first game?
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Rogerregorroger In reply to Arexion [2010-11-29 16:29:43 +0000 UTC]
Interesting question, you could try it out.
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Tadertots In reply to ??? [2010-11-29 03:28:52 +0000 UTC]
I love how Cloud's....just spacing out.
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Rogerregorroger In reply to Tadertots [2010-11-29 09:23:06 +0000 UTC]
yeah, he had severe Mako poisoning at that point, convienently not observing the Genesis subplot, saving us from the confusion why it's never mentioned in final fantasy 7. Yay.
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SapphireSky1992 [2010-11-29 01:49:00 +0000 UTC]
lols XD I needed a good laugh XD
Well glad you worked out the bugs^^
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Rogerregorroger In reply to SapphireSky1992 [2010-11-29 09:23:20 +0000 UTC]
Jup, sorry for the inconvience.
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SapphireSky1992 In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-11-30 00:38:06 +0000 UTC]
Oh don't worry about it. Things like that happen all the time to people.
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Foxy-Sierra [2010-11-29 01:18:33 +0000 UTC]
Why is suicide ALWAYS the answer that FF male protagonists and side-characters come up with as a solution to their problems? OAO/
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Rogerregorroger In reply to Foxy-Sierra [2010-11-29 09:21:45 +0000 UTC]
Dunno, because it looks cool or something I guess.
Considering the high amount of highschool students commiting suicide in Japan, I'm suprised no parents have suied Square Enix yet for the glorification of suicide.
Guess parents in japan aren't so trigger happy on companies then their western counterparts.
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Zeldafan77 In reply to Rogerregorroger [2021-12-22 15:36:18 +0000 UTC]
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Foxy-Sierra In reply to Rogerregorroger [2010-11-29 13:02:58 +0000 UTC]
Yes, plus that makes perfect since if we take 4Kids into example for their desecration of Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon to fit the 'American idea' of a kid's TV show XD;
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D-Thessy In reply to ??? [2010-11-29 00:47:48 +0000 UTC]
ANGEAL: I'M CONFUSED!!!!! (Like knuckles )
Really I don't like this game. I prefer Squaresof n.n
Grat flash you make me laught
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Rogerregorroger In reply to shadowtrainer [2010-11-29 01:11:09 +0000 UTC]
I checked all your jorunals, and i haven't seen any mention of jokes, or even final fantasy, so no idea what you're talking about.
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