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Ruby631 In reply to ErnestAbacus [2008-01-04 21:59:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. She's lacking some hair near her temples, however.

It really depends on what I'm drawing, I guess. I'm still in that style-development stage, so transitions can be...awkward.

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ErnestAbacus In reply to Ruby631 [2008-01-04 22:06:17 +0000 UTC]

I just figured it was a grooming choice. Surgically removing some of Rita Hayworth's hairline is what made her famous. (wierd)

Isn't that strange? Like illustration is more about an alternate reality than a craft.

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Ruby631 In reply to ErnestAbacus [2008-01-04 22:10:51 +0000 UTC]

Really? That's odd. I didn't know that.

It is, really. It's like creating a window into somewhere else...

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ErnestAbacus In reply to Ruby631 [2008-01-04 22:26:51 +0000 UTC]

Yup, and Marylin Monroe had fat added to the underside of her chin. Funnything is it seemed to help. (More with Rita Hayworth, although she was always stunning.)

I think it takes training to turn it into the more versatile, but less magical experience of the craftsmans work. No wonder there is such a resistance to learn amongst artists. I suppose the secret is to know where the magic ends and the method begins, that would relax a lot of uptight art students.

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Ruby631 In reply to ErnestAbacus [2008-01-04 22:32:50 +0000 UTC]

It's strange what women think will make them look better, and what actually will. (Got a thing for old-time movie stars?)

They wouldn't really be students anymore, then would they? Or maybe it's not something anyone can teach you, but something you must teach yourself.

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ErnestAbacus In reply to Ruby631 [2008-01-04 22:45:29 +0000 UTC]

Ha ha ha. Yes it is. Eye-liner was a good idea that has been turned into an offence to the eyes of men. Just like silicone and pouting too much. (..maybe...)

Well, they would still be students of the methods and of themselves. I think it is both, and, actually, I think that is true of everything. Moreso with art. Look at the "intellectual technology" of it. Until someone started experimenting with perspective, no one used it. Then lots of people began to use it with out evey being taught, they just saw it and said, "I can to that, makes sense really." Education is only about the big stuff if we (the students) aren't interested, if we are interested we ask and usually answer the big questions ourselves. It's the myriad little tricks and bits of data that we must learn from others.

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Ruby631 In reply to ErnestAbacus [2008-01-05 02:23:35 +0000 UTC]

So, what is a good idea now?

Couldn't have said it better myself. *Looks back on old sketchbooks* Those little myriad tricks can take you a long, long way...

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ErnestAbacus In reply to Ruby631 [2008-01-06 05:15:03 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... Good question. Let me add that eye-liner can work, it is just so often abused.

Yeah, they make plotting, big-picture types like myself go mad with envy and denial...but there's no getting around it.

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Ruby631 In reply to Elessya [2008-01-04 18:13:29 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! I was looking at a lot of Gibson Girl drawings [link] and I was inspired. Maybe that's what she reminds you of.

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