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The last know Enterprise to canonically exist. I say canon very loosely, because we only have one real image of the E-J, and it shows the dorsal view fairly planametrically so the front and side, i had to make up on my own. Let me know what you think.I am delving pretty far into the future here, so all of the technology i had to come up with on my own.
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I think this is a better size for the J. However by the time it is supposed to be launched they would be used to hop between galaxies and the larger size makes sense from that point of view. Just a possible explanation for the Universe class version. I like this one more though.
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Always thought it was an interesting design!
And it's now officially a Universe-class ship (the model is being released soon).
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Unofficially. Nothing in STO is canon mate, hate to say it. For me, this is the Enterprise J, not the shitty model Craptic threw together.
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I'm well aware but I don't take anything Drexler says as official, always been that way with me and always will be. Sorry
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I stand by my statement.
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Got the model from the Star Trek Starship Collection. Β The models and info in this collection come from the writers and creators of the series and films and books, and use data made by the shows modelers. Β STO is not going to be touched.
The Enterprise-J is classed as a Universe-class vessel, and interstingly, its registry is NCC-1701 with no J suffix.
And don't forget, Β Star Trek uses alternate timelines, so every version can, and probably does exist.Β
And I don't like STO either.
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I like STO, just not the Universe class. The Celestial here makes more sense given the nacelles are held on by twig thin pieces of "supermetal" and there is actually a shuttlebay. The saucer isn't paper thin and oh yeah, it's a realistic 900 something meters, not 2 miles long. Sorry but I denounced the original when I saw this and will continue to do so.
Oh and also multiple ppl here on DevArt use the name Celestial for it so it kinda caught on long before Universe was actually coined in reference.
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Apologies. Β I misinterpreted what you said about STO! Β The reason I don't like it is because of all the people claiming it to be canon!
I'm torn between the two names myself. Β Both fit the ship nicely though.
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Yeah no I enjoy STO, been playing for 5 years and am a lifetime sub. Its not Canon though, and hopefully never will be.
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The specs on the size is way off. This ships specs from the original designer was to be at least 2 miles long and about the same around the perimeter of the saucer section. 12 times the size of theΒ Enterprise-D. Perhaps a rework is in order?Β
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Remember this is a design open to interpretation. Furthermore, Doug Drexler was going for something so outrageous as to be cool, except its not. The specs on this are much more believable.
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It kind of looks like a Sovereign class from the side....That has been x2 enlarged......giving a massively wide saucer.........thinner nacelles....and a flatter look on the top near the bridge.....and a NX class style Deflector dish..........I like it......2 problems though.....1.....where are the impulse engines.....2....after all these years.....why do almost all major star-fleet ship have only ONE shuttle-bay!
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1. On the nacelle pylons near where they connect to the secondary hull. 2. I'm sure it has more then one, but bear in mind, that the shuttlebay on the J is probably the length of 2Β city blocks, and just about as wide too. Thats ALOT of space.
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A 26th century cruiser such as herself, I guess that makes sense.Β
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Any chance of an update?
The ship is infact flat! The nearest I have been able to get it is this [link]
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Just in case you hadn't heard, [link]
Doug Drexler found some of his artwork of the J, so now we have a better idea of its shape. Still a good interpolation, though, considering how little we ever saw of it.
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Check the "Drex Files" the top and bottom are alike, this ship is flat (almost) class name is "Universe".
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ya should check memory alpha J is said to be 2 miles front to back, but over all its a nice image.
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If anyone wants more views and official meshes or images, why not go to the source himself.
The guy who is the actual designer of the Enterprise-J?
The original designer of the Ent-J was Doug Drexler, who worked in the art department of the Enterprise Series.
Here's the designers site or blog;
[link]
There you'll find everything you want to know about the "J", including, defferent views of the ship itself, and.... a video of the ship in motion/flying.
BTW; Sam, you weren't too off on your view of the bottom, except, it's basicly a mirror image of the top. And by what Doug says, the damn ship is (in his own words; dougdrexler
March 30, 2009 at 11:45 am
Iβm estimating the J to be five times the length of the D. Tha saucer would stack up to be about thirty decks thick.)
laterz....
Vahmp
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I like this, I really wish we could get some more official shots of the J other than the image that's in the Ships of The Line calendar. From that shot, it has this really strange 'flat' look, like it has more space inside it than it does on the outside!
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Great job, based on the limited information.
One observation; It appears that the primary saucer is connected to the (?)engineering truss ONLY at the front. The truss looks to run above the saucer to the nacelle pylons. Think of a tennis racket if you folded the impact surface over to lay almost flat against the handle.
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eh... i know it's not the best design... don't blame it on me lol..
and thank you for the compliment
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Cool an Enterprise Q exists? or they didn't use that letter because Q?
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There absolutely could be a NCC-1701-Q, i just didn't have time to make designs out that far lol....
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did you read the new countdown star trek comic with the next generation spock and nero?, happens before the new movie I liked that Data was resurrected in B-4 body and he was captain of the Enterprise E the new uniforms were cool too
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I say that the Enterprize will exist until the destruction or decomission of the NCC-1701-Z.
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they can do an enterprise NCC-1701-AB after that
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And it will continue on, the long line of the Starship Enterprise... *Star Trek: Insurrection End Credits theme begins to sound out (soundtrack version)*
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Hi Sam,
I'm new here, and come across your schematics for the J a while back somewhere on the net.
Now, looking for post Enterprise E, Enterprises "F", "G", "H" and so on, I finaly found the source of the "J", YOU. lol
Love your designs, and as a modelbuilder, I'm using them for scratchbuilding the Enterprises.
My little project is to build every single ship called "Enterprise", from the sailing ship all the way to the 29th century "Well Class" [that is, unless you come up with a new desing for the 29th century "Ent.."
Now... your designs are great like I said, but to render them into real models, it's a bit different, there are areas that I'm not sure if they are see thru the other side, or what, like in the case of the "I". And also in the case of the "I", if you lay the top view along side the side view, the nacelles and the upper section pilon, don't line up. For instance, if you look at the "H" [wich is also
mis-alined], and follow your grid lines you'll see what I mean. they just don't line up.
For what I want, I can fix that [line them up], but with no background color, it's hard to see what are parts of the ships, and what is back ground.
The ones I'm having problems with are, the "H" and the "I". Would there be a way that you can either, mark in red what is background [a red X would do]. and send me copies? Here's my e-mail, lord_vahmp@yahoo[dot]com
I would greatly apreciate it, and of course, when I do finish the models [which will take so time], you will get full credit for the design.
Regards....
Vahmp
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Nice, but you've a typo in the text.. 'will of'
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I don't even use the Enterprise timeline.
For one, those types of ships, the NX's and the Warp 5 ships, didn't even exists back than (can anybody say Daedalus-Class).
Plus, they introduced alien races that didn't even exist or where run into back than (can anyone remember the first time in the Star Trek timeline when the first encounter with the Ferengi was?)
The only races back than were the Vulcans, Andorians, Klingons, and finally the Romulans when the Federation and Starfleet (not this damning Coalition), came upon them.
Star Trek is always about going further in the future, NOT cutting into the past and fucking the timeline up.
To me, Enterprise is an alternate timeline, and the Star Trek that we all know and love, is separate from this... sorry-ass alternate timeline.
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Wow. This is the first time I have seen anyone actually do a technical rendering of the J. I admit your specs just astound me on what this ship would / could have. Great job on this and your other renderings!
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Thank you very much! I was very intrigued with the E-J, and I thought a set of complete schematics would be pretty neat!
I appreciate your compliments!
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Personaly I think that is quite a beautiful ship!
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Thanks! I get alot of mixed reactions regarding it, but I am glad you like it!
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(whispering) wow.
(normal talk) That... that is one beautiful ship. I...
I'm at a loss for words here, really. It's just... truly beautiful. I never thought a ship design could make me react like this.
*sigh* probably the first Enterprise not to be built with the standing mission "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before." To me, that's just depressing. But what must be done, must be done.
Despite that, I can only hope that the J beats the current Enterprise record of 40 years, held by the original Enterprise NCC-1701.
My question is, was/will be this ship made after the Relativity? I don;t know the dates on Federation timeships off the top of my head.
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Thank you very much!!!
Someone asked earlier about the Enterprise in the USS Relativity era, and I figured it would be the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-T lol... way in the future after the E-J...
I am considering trying to do an Enterprise T schematic.
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If you do, do it in line. Keep moving along. Too much of a jump would be nigh-impossible.
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The Enterprise-J exists in a timeline which might never comes to pass in the "canon" timeline. Nevertheless, I think the Enterprise-J is a decent design, considering that it was thrown in quickly for ENT: Azati Prime and it is great how you brought flesh and blood to the skeleton design.
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Are you kidding me? Only thing I remember after seeing that episode of Enterprise was the thought "What sort of idiot designed Enterprise J, and why were they allowed to stain the good name of Enterprise by giving to such an ugly design?"
But, that may also be because the only image we see is on a wall display, and it may have been a perspective shot, so the nacelles looked smaller (being farther away) than they actually were, compared to the hull itself.
Still, I would be perfectly happy if the Enterprise J (or at least that particular class starship) never came to pass.
No offense intended toward either of you. I think you did an excellent job with the schematics, considering what you had to work from.
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As I said, for just a passing design, I think they did a decent job. Of course, for a fully-fleshed Enterprise, I would expect something way better than this, and if this Enterprise were to appear as the flagship of the next Star Trek series, I would jump.
Yes, I agree that (and reiterate what I stated in the earlier comments) that I love the Enterprise-J schematics, because ~samuelkowal906 did a good job to flesh out what was the designers of the Enterprise quickly (and probably thoughtlessly) put together.
Don't lose hope... you never know whether the actual Enterprise-J (the one in the real timeline) will bear this design or even anything remotely close. 
I see no offense, either.
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Yeah, no offense to Rick Berman or Brandon Braga... actually maybe a little offense, but the "Temporal Cold War" storyline they used for Enterprise was just awful.
I mean, nothing could have possibly been worse than that for destroying the already established storyline. I'm just glad they used Season 4 to clean all this up. Because, yeah, they left quite a big mess.
Don't get me wrong, I actually liked Enterprise (at times). Though it didn't live up to the name "Star Trek", it was still a pretty good Sci-Fi series.
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Agreed, I can tell that they were running outta ideas for Enterprise. I loved the pilot but the series just went down from there. There were a few good episodes in between (Affliction was one of my favourites) but otherwise yeah, the Star Trek cannon was pretty messed up. It would have been a good sci-fi series on its own, but through all the retcons, (even though those happen all the time) I felt the treatment of the franchise made it subpar.
I salute the main casts for sticking through thick and thin of it though. I mean, sure, they are earning $ but mentally I think it was not easy to keep going.
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lol, I remember Robert Picardo (Doctor from Voyager) singing a rendition of "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow", with subtly alterd lyrics.
"I'm not accusing Enterprise...
But someone killed OUR FRANCHISE
As Star Trek starts to hit the big Four O
Will you still love me, tomorrow?"
I LOL'd hard at that one
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ROFL! That's a very good one.
Nemesis was not that good, too. I loved the return of the crew, the visual effects were brilliant, and appearance of Admiral Janeway was a nice touch (heh, I have a soft spot for continuation, makes the universe realistic.
Good thing the Enterprise producers ain't on board for the eleventh Star Trek movie. I am happy with a prequel, as long as the plot is up to Star Trek movie standard (cannot expect it to surpass First Contact or The Undiscovered Country but yeah, it has to be pretty good) and does not retcon the established canon.
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Well, I didn't particularly dislike Nemesis all that much. Just little errors here and there (and a director not familiar with Star Trek). I think it was nice the way Data sacrificed himself to save Picard, with the quiet "goodbye" after he beamed away. Now, as an Android, he should realize that there is no way Picard would have heard him say it. I personally think Data achieved Humanity (at least, as much as he could) in that instant.
As for the "predictable plot"... with the story they were working toward, it is kinda impossible to keep things from being predictable. I mean, there has already been so much done, there is not much left that hasn't been done yet. Which parts were you referring to as "predictable"?
And as for Enterprise, yeah the ending upset me a bit. It seemed rather thrown together... which I think it probably was. I mean, you could tell the 4th season was starting to lead into the Romulan War (which was mentioned in the Original Series)... but they suddenly announced the 4th season was the last, so they had to throw something together. I don't think thats the way the had originally intended to end it.
I am still hoping they finally end up doing something with the loose end they left dangling at the end of "A Mirror Darkly" (ENT). I have always loved the Mirror Universe storyline ^_^
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