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chrisxcrossx In reply to ??? [2013-04-11 00:45:37 +0000 UTC]
1. Every mother I know who unexpectedly got pregnant made a decision by herself or with her boyfriend/husband to keep the child.
2. "as the end all choice" -- um, yeah? The overwhelming majority of women who seek abortions are women who were careless in their sex lives. If you aren't prepared to give birth, don't have sex. Period, the end. So, yeah. If you make the decision to have sex and you choose not to use a form of birth control, no, you should not be allowed to end an innocent life because you fucked up. If you do something reckless, be prepared to deal with the consequences -- meaning either grow a pair and raise the child, or let someone adopt it. (Obviously this logic doesn't apply to rape victims, but if I don't say it now, those words will be grossly twisted.)
3. Lucky. Okay. So, that's 400,000 children for my 4 "lucky" siblings. You do realize that's about a third of all adopted kids in the US right now, right? So you think it's accurate that about a THIRD of the adopted kids in the US at this very moment are in abusive homes? There's a lot of fucked up stuff in this country, but I'm pretty damn sure that if the statistics were that overwhelming, there would be riots against adoptive parents.
4. You assume that all kids who were unexpectedly born are going to be abused by their parents. Kids will be born into it regardless. The circumstances of their birth do not determine with any degree of absolution how good or bad their lives will be. And by aborting them, you're not even giving the kid a chance.
5. Where are these parents? Hm. Well, to start with, my father and his ex wife, who adopted my four siblings. For another, my grandparents who adopted my mother. For another, my ex's parents. For another, my best friend's aunt. And these are just the ones that I know personally. Only one of them has adopted a foreign kid. The rest adopted from the US.
"Due to irresponsible parents or parents that gipped by the CPS."
There are definitely parents who unfairly have their kids taken away. Obviously parents who mistreat their kids are irresponsible, so I'm not entirely sure what the point you're trying to make is?
"So, instead of adopting, they decide to bring more children into the world. Is that even logical at all?"
How is it not logical? If a couple chooses to adopt, have a surrogate, get a sperm donor/invitro, or raise their own child, that's their choice. Is there something illogical about that? Having so many kids in need of homes is clearly terrible -- but should we prevent couples from having their own children because of that?
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kitsumekat In reply to chrisxcrossx [2013-04-11 21:07:12 +0000 UTC]
1. So, they didn't raise the kid alone.
2. How do you know they were careless? For all you know, they could've worn protection and the condom broke. Also, Why would you add more kids into a broken system? Does that make any sense at all?
3. Over 100,000 kids are in adoption now. 20% are adopted out.
4. I'm not giving the kid a chance to be in that situation in th first place.
5. And yet their are still kids in foster care.
Last question yes. If someone adopts just one kid, there would be one less person waiting to be adopted.
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fuzzy-insomnasox In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 23:57:26 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. If a mother doesn't want to bring a child into this world they can
1don't have sex
2 birth control
I think the majority of the time abortion is because a mother is selfish and stupid.
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kitsumekat In reply to fuzzy-insomnasox [2013-04-11 00:19:52 +0000 UTC]
1. Why is it that the woman have to abstain? Why can't the man keep his pecker in his pants?
2. Birth control is not 100% failproof.
Same goes for pregancy but you don't see anyone condemning that.
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apoddities In reply to fuzzy-insomnasox [2013-04-11 00:02:29 +0000 UTC]
Are you saying that a woman "allowing" herself to get raped is selfish and stupid?
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fuzzy-insomnasox In reply to apoddities [2013-04-11 01:58:55 +0000 UTC]
Actually, in my comment I said most of the time. I would never call a woman selfish or stupid for aborting a pregnancy that was the result of rape or a mother who's life was in danger if she went through with the pregnancy. I'm sorry if there was any confusion I would never blame a woman for aborting under those circumstances. However, I do disagree with aborting because you don't want a kid since there are plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy before conception.
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chrisxcrossx In reply to apoddities [2013-04-11 01:29:22 +0000 UTC]
I believe that's why fuzzy-insomnasox said "the majority of the time" -- which I agree with. Most women who want abortions were not raped.
I don't think anyone is ignorant enough to actually believe that women allow themselves to get raped.
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DaedalJS In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 22:34:53 +0000 UTC]
one of my best friends when i was a bit younger was almost aborted but thankfully they were put up for adoption instead and i gotta say the world's better off with them than without. they may have had their issues with being put up for adoption but i don't doubt that they knew they were loved. i also don't doubt that my life would have been worse off without them having been in it.
all you've listed here were questions about bad that could possibly happen but the world isn't filled with bad things. yes bad things happen to everyone but good things happen too and the kid could just as easily turn out to be a great person. the choice doesn't just affect one person it affects the future of a whole lot of people.
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kitsumekat In reply to DaedalJS [2013-04-10 23:47:47 +0000 UTC]
The problem is that this world is bad right now. You can't bring a future into it while the past is crap. That's like putting a child into a war torn area, hoping they can change the area for the better.
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DaedalJS In reply to kitsumekat [2013-04-11 03:17:13 +0000 UTC]
well if you want to say that then the world has been bad for most of human history if you haven't noticed. that doesn't mean that it hasn't also been good for most of human history. it really just depends on what you look at when you decide if it's bad or good or both. personally i think a good way to make the world worse is to give up on the idea that it could be better in the future. yea life isn't always easy but it isn't always tough either.
some places are worse than others but how the world is now is irrelevant in regards to what we hope the future will be like.
i wasn't saying that they'll change things for the better. heck they may be the ones getting helped through stuff but my basic point was that the world isn't all bad. there's plenty of good too and one life can make a big difference in the scope of things.
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kitsumekat In reply to DaedalJS [2013-04-11 20:51:24 +0000 UTC]
The Bad usually outweighs the good. That's the reality of things. I'm being realistic here. We have a bunch of broken systems that does not allow much of a safety net for women and children. I mean we have more kids now starving than in the past.
If anything we should be having less kids and fixing the problems before trying to ban abortions.
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DaedalJS In reply to kitsumekat [2013-04-12 00:07:53 +0000 UTC]
i disagree. the bad doesn't outweigh the good. it's just what you hear about more 'cause good news doesn't spread as much as bad news. it's the kind of deal where bad headlines sell papers so to speak. those broken systems do still help people. the fact that those systems even exist and do allow for at least something of a safety net means that the present is in better shape than the past where there was no safety net.
there will always be problems but what those problems are change as old ones get fixed and new ones arise or simply draw more attention. that being the case and what with the way the world keeps turning anyway saying "we should be having less kids" when it's not really anything we can do that much about is a bit far fetched. instead i think you should have just said we should be fixing the problems.
i never said we should ban abortions. granted i am against them so i wouldn't ever say abortion is right but i will say there are situations where it's at least somewhat understandable.
also, i'm not sure why so many people get this image as being about abortion to start with.
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kitsumekat In reply to DaedalJS [2013-04-12 20:00:57 +0000 UTC]
The image mainly is about reproductive rights for women and abortion is usually one of those rights.
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DaedalJS In reply to kitsumekat [2013-04-12 20:25:40 +0000 UTC]
to me it seems more about sexual themes rather than reproductive rights.
what with the chastity belt imagery and i believe i remember reading something about the previous pope being against the use of condoms or something.
IE abstinence rather than safe sex.
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kitsumekat In reply to DaedalJS [2013-04-13 03:50:41 +0000 UTC]
Well, who do you think was more likely to wear a chasity belt?
The thing about it is that there has been a growing concern about women controlling their rights to have children.
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Dartmaul15 In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 22:28:34 +0000 UTC]
You know, those people not taking that into consideration is what makes me feel ashamed of being a christian.
I'm a christian, and i supports abortion.
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kitsumekat In reply to Dartmaul15 [2013-04-10 23:45:16 +0000 UTC]
The problem is that we have 300 million people here. Most of the kids in foster care is 100,000. People who keep pushing for it fail to treat the problem first.
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PhantomReaver In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 21:56:42 +0000 UTC]
Simple and elegant in its way. Kudos.
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ClockworkKitty In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 21:52:21 +0000 UTC]
Just....
Just slow clap it out, man
Slow clap it out.
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Ciaederlo In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 21:43:34 +0000 UTC]
This is very impacting... After reading through a few of the comments, I have to agree that a woman should have the right to their own body and decide whether or not to have the child, no one else. It may just as well be for the child's own good, especially considered that the child may not be raised in an appropriate home. When considering the 'child's' life, I don't feel they are mature enough yet to experience pain or consciousness as they are only made up of the mother's dividing cells that are in a construction process, so little progress has been made to create a functional human being.
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Neektee In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 21:11:56 +0000 UTC]
I cannot tell you how much I adore this piece. It's so simple, yet it speaks a thousand words and I can honestly say is one of my favourite works from deviantart.
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hit-on-me-SUCKER In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 20:12:26 +0000 UTC]
wow this is wonderfully simple yet it says so much! <3 btw thought i might join in the whole abortion discussion. im against abortion because i believe every child deserves a chance at life but that is only on my own body. if other people want an abortion go ahead as long as they think long and hard about it, and dont regret it afterwards no matter what choice they make they should always think about whats best both for themselves and the child.
and remember kidz always use protection!!!
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MiaMaid444 In reply to hit-on-me-SUCKER [2013-04-10 20:21:04 +0000 UTC]
wait..... is this about the Catholic church?
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hit-on-me-SUCKER In reply to MiaMaid444 [2013-04-11 09:09:01 +0000 UTC]
i think so. he does kinda look like a catholic priest doesn't he? with the funny hat and robe!
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ClassicallyYours In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 20:07:52 +0000 UTC]
Love this. A simple, powerful design with a simple and powerful message. Jumped right out at me as I was scrolling through most popular. Well done.
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BloodyBBQ In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 19:43:35 +0000 UTC]
nice simple graphic!
I just find it odd that the woman looks like a nun
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Magpie2 In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 18:55:56 +0000 UTC]
Am I the ONLY one who didn't immediately (or at all until reading the comments, actually) think of abortion when seeing this?
Wonderful piece; simplicity is so eloquent.
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Vinyl8 In reply to Magpie2 [2013-04-10 23:14:23 +0000 UTC]
You're not alone. I didn't think of it either. I don't really think that's what the artist was going for either to tell you the truth.
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shade-fish In reply to Magpie2 [2013-04-10 20:57:49 +0000 UTC]
pfft i thoguht of how the church likes to tell women how there gunna have sex with, how there gunna do it, and when there gunna do it, abortion dosnt actly come to mind, just more of how cathlics demand control over womens sexual lives (or peoples livesi n general)
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VicerineOfAngels In reply to Magpie2 [2013-04-10 19:19:35 +0000 UTC]
You're not alone, I didn't either. I thought more of the efforts of the church to control what women do related to sex; rules on chastity, purity and dress codes.
Very simple piece for a very debated subject, however you interpret it.
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Kerryopia In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 18:50:17 +0000 UTC]
A simple and beautiful piece of art. The message is powerful and thought-provoking.
And before more pointless arguing starts, I'll take a leaf out of your book and leave it at that.
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ZombieCowOverlord In reply to ??? [2013-04-10 18:49:13 +0000 UTC]
Just seeing all of these comments on here, both negative and positive. The only thought I can put into this piece is towards the more religious people saying abortion is evil an the work of satan. For one shut up and two imagine in your mind what I am about to say next. You are a young female at the age of 14. You were just raped and you later find out you are carrying your rapist's child. You are currently in school and can't hold a job. You don't want the child and you do not want to burden your family. Yes you have options, give birth to the child and give it up or have an abortion. Now is time to think of the pros an cons of both choices. With choice a you deal with the labor of giving birth which can be stressful on a young body and give the child away not knowing the outcome of their life which can be good or bad. Then there is going through with the abortion. Yes no young 14 yer old doesn't want to do it but then they do not want to go through the labor of birthing.
Yes a horrible scenario but
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ZombieCowOverlord In reply to ZombieCowOverlord [2013-04-10 18:54:09 +0000 UTC]
But what could one do? Now if one were older and raped and found out they were carrying the child of the rapist that female would most likely not want to birth the child.
Now the last thing I want to say is abortion is an old issue brought back up by republicans to stirr comotion. All I can say now is that a females body is theirs to control not by religion, not by government, and not by man!
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NightElfGirl In reply to ZombieCowOverlord [2013-04-11 04:12:48 +0000 UTC]
For one, I am Catholic. And I do believe that abortion is a bad thing, but not in the sense that it is "satan's work," but that it's more harmful to women then people realize. Abortion may get rid of the problem, but there are bad side effects that is not brought out to the public. In some stories about women committing abortion, they regret it and become suicidal and depressed. In fact, about 70% of women are against abortion because they believe that it is immoral. Also, only .3% of abortions are because of rape, .03% for incest, and .2% for protection of the mother's life.
I agree that a woman's body is her's to control, but I also say that the child within her womb has a voice too. Sadly, many ignore it.
If you would give a moment of your time, please read this article:
[link]
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SpongeMuffin In reply to NightElfGirl [2013-04-11 19:15:41 +0000 UTC]
Abortion is an extremely safe procedure, giving birth is far, far more likely to cause depression and suicide in women (post-partum depression?)
When legal abortion happens, there is no child. It's the size of your fingernail (or smaller) and literally has no brain. Without a brain it can't think, can't feel, and isn't a person.
Yes, abortion is sad, but I would rather see a brainless fetus be lost than a child grow up feeling unloved/abused/parentless/hungry, etc.
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NightElfGirl In reply to SpongeMuffin [2013-04-12 04:46:21 +0000 UTC]
The brain doesn't begin to form until week 3. At week 4, the child has three main sections: the forebrain, middle brain and hindbrain. Also, backbone, and the cardio-vascular system – complete with a beating heart are beginning to form at week 4. In addition, parts of the eyes, the mouth (with tongue), and the lungs also begin to form. At week 5, you can hear the baby's heart beat, other parts of the body become more pronounced including a face, the arms, legs, and fingers. At week 6, brainwaves can be recorded, a skeleton begins forming including organs too. At week 7, the baby would react to touch if it could be touched at this point. Week 8 has the fetus being as big as a grape, teeth begin to develop, the fetus can flex at the wrist and elbows, and it can feel pain. At week 9, the baby is beginning to look more and more like a human at this point. They can make a tiny fist, and suck their thumb; they can make all sorts of facial movements, including frowning, swallowing motions and moving the tongue around. Week 10 shows that the baby can turn their head, open their mouth, smile and practice breathing along with being able to kick and curl up their toes. I don't think I need to go any further than that. Statistics say that 89% of abortions happen within the first trimester (first 12 weeks).
So your "brainless fetus" being lost is untrue. The fetus does have a brain and it can feel pain. It has a heart. It even has arms, legs, lungs, eyes, mouth, and a nose. It can move and even smile. For a fetus not being a person, I believe it is a person. As for a child growing up feeling unloved, abused, parentless, hungry, or other things, you don't know if any one of those things are going to happen. No one can tell the future and know how a person's life is going to be. All these "what if's" are pointless just like when people think "What if they don't like me?" or "What if I die tomorrow?" we don't know. So to assume that a child is going to be unloved, abused, or parentless is a sad excuse to end their life when they weren't even given a chance because someone believed that it would be better for them to die than to live.
As for abortion being an "extremely safe procedure," I fail to believe that. Side effects that can come from having an abortion are: Severe bleeding, having problems becoming pregnant, being sterile, needing a Hysterectomy (Removing of the uterus), not having the job completed, severe infection, developing breast cancer, psychological issues, and death. Studies even show that abortion increases women's mortality rates. Abortion is not as safe as you believe. I suggest you look up the abortion procedures yourself and see exactly what they do instead of assuming things.
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SpongeMuffin In reply to NightElfGirl [2013-04-12 06:21:12 +0000 UTC]
"At week 6, brainwaves can be recorded" This is actually a myth. Fetal brainwaves have never, ever been monitored at that early a stage in life. The earliest sign of brain activity in a fetus have been found around 21 weeks.
Like I said above, I'm afraid what you posted is false. Yes, it has a tongue and a skeleton and a heartbeat, but without a functioning brain none of that is worth much of anything.
Pregnancy actually causes severe bleeding, trouble becoming pregnant, becoming sterile, removal of the uterus, loss of a job (it's legal to fire a woman for being pregnant in the US), and severe infection.
But yes, abortion causes those things, because it's SURGERY. The exact same things happen in any kind of surgery, even a simple one like removing some bad teeth. Surgery = trauma.
There is NO connection between abortion and breast cancer, none. No link has ever been found.
I have looked up abortion procedure, I'm extremely well-educated on it. Please don't assume that I assume <3
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NightElfGirl In reply to SpongeMuffin [2013-04-12 07:07:34 +0000 UTC]
If you are extremely well-educated on abortion, I can't understand how you would think that abortion is safer than giving birth to a baby. I would like for you to fill me in on that.
Also, why do you think that brain waves are so important in deciding whether or not a fetus should live or not? Does it make it more of a person because it has brain waves?
As you can tell from my signature (I believe that's what the thing on the bottom is called), I am a Christian, but to elaborate, I am a Catholic and I believe that life begins at conception. At the beginning of an embryo's life, the gender, characteristics, and other genetic parts are already picked. And as I've said before, within the first trimester, the fetus has a tongue, a skeleton, and a heart beat and I say that does matter because as far as I am concerned, a beating heart means that a person is alive. With a skeleton that fetus will one day run, bike, play sports, and maybe break one or two bones. A tongue means that it will be able to sing and talk and laugh like any other human. Whether or not that fetus has a brain wave at that 6 week stage, it is a living human being and it has a right to live.
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SpongeMuffin In reply to NightElfGirl [2013-04-13 22:54:47 +0000 UTC]
Because medical studies have proven it to be safer than pregnancy: [link]
[link]
Give the links a read and you'll learn some new things.
Well, yeah, it kinda does. The brain is what makes a person a person. The brain houses your personality, emotions, thoughts, logic, pains, wants, needs, etc. Without your brain you're literally a shell of skin and bones. There's no person there.
Of course the fetus is alive, I'm not saying it isn't. Everything in the world is alive, from trees to people to the bacteria on our tongues. What I'm arguing is it isn't an IMPORTANT life. I see the fetus as no more important than a tree growing in my yard.
But what about the woman's right to live? An unwanted pregnancy WILL destroy her life. Where is the care about her life?
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ZombieCowOverlord In reply to NightElfGirl [2013-04-11 04:37:07 +0000 UTC]
For one I thank you for replying to the comment I have posted and for your opinion. Now I will apologize if I did end up offending a bit with the religious part. There was someone earlier in the form that was just being completely stupid. So again I do apologize, that part of the comment was more towards that person then any other religious person.
I will say you bring up a very good point within you comment as well as information to back it up. Now this information I did not know of and I thank you for bringing it up. As for your article I will take the time to read it as soon as I am done with my assignment for school.
Also you are right the child within a woman's womb has a voice too but sometimes there are circumstances that prevent that voice from speaking if you get what I mean. Again I thank you for this reply and will get back to you as soon as I read the article.
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ZombieCowOverlord In reply to baduseoftime [2013-04-10 21:28:21 +0000 UTC]
Yeah cool reply bra. Last time I checked I wasn't a bro and this wasn't a thesis.
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baduseoftime In reply to ZombieCowOverlord [2013-05-21 02:42:13 +0000 UTC]
Anyone is a bro if they try man
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midnightfighter In reply to ZombieCowOverlord [2013-04-10 23:01:49 +0000 UTC]
Unlike the other assholes who replied with the "bro" comment, I support abortion and I am in favor of your explanation. You really took the issue and explained it in depth, and I enjoyed reading it. For that, I thank you.
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ZombieCowOverlord In reply to midnightfighter [2013-04-11 00:57:03 +0000 UTC]
And I thank you for the comment. I never get the "bro" comments so I and possibly others comment back with "bra." Lol, anyway again thank you for the comment.
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midnightfighter In reply to ZombieCowOverlord [2013-04-11 03:03:02 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome.
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ProAbortion101 In reply to baduseoftime [2013-04-10 19:25:00 +0000 UTC]
Cool use of bro, bro.
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