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Published: 2015-10-28 01:09:56 +0000 UTC; Views: 35915; Favourites: 401; Downloads: 111
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While this review was really irritating to sit through, the last few minutes offended me:"People like to laugh, to think, and even be scared, but no one anywhere likes to be disgusted!"
Who gives you the right to say what people actually enjoy? There's a reason why Drawn Together had an audience. I understand why some people would dislike "Drawn Together". It's a show that's not for everyone. However, its raunchy theme is SUBJECTIVE, meaning while some people will be disgusted, others will find the humor to be amusing. You can say those people have bad taste if you want, but Drawn Together is a comedy show, no matter how you think it works for yourself.
"There are rules to comedy, and if you fail at reaching then, then your comedy will fail!"
NO. There are no rules to comedy. Even the simplest things can make someone laugh. Once again, comedy is subjective. What may not work for you, can work for others. No one thinks the same way.
I... I lost respect for this individual. People, enjoy what you want. I understand that there will be people who won't like something, but there's no rule book that says a cartoon CAN'T be raunchy just for the sake of being edgy.
Oh, and by the way, her name is "Toot", not "toots". It's called simple researching on Wikipedia.
EDIT: Wow, this definitely became a controversial deviation. Just to let you know, even after what I say here, I don't hate him as a person, and I never will. I just found this review to have plenty of flaws. I did agree with him on the animation though. If you still enjoy his content and agree with the review, that's fine! We all have different tastes, that was the point of making this whole thing.
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XD XD XD ! nice work and funny for Clara face ... nice draw
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Though I honestly agree the movie was terrible, I'm kind of inclined to agree with you as well as him.
And I honestly have a very mixed opinion on the reviewer, I think he sometimes gives good advice on writing and there are a lot of things I disagree with him on.
That's just me
I agree that Animation is a medium that deserves respect and Mr. Enter does seem to have a moral compass, but he is TOO passionate about both of them
I don't really hate Drawn Together but I kind of got sick of it, but there are a few things that made me chuckle but I think there are much better.
And honestly with what I'm hearing about Enter I'm beginning to question whether or not I like him.
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Oh yeah, there's much better than Drawn Together. Whether people like it or dislike it is fine. I just can't stand those who treat comedy like there's a certain way you have to be funny, when that's simply not true for everyone. I feel Enter is too sensitive to certain things. He simply did not have to review this.
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Agreed, I honestly like watching Admirable Animations than Animated Atrocities, while I mostly agree with what he says in both shows (as well as his writing tips videos) I think he needs to calm down.
I mean sometimes his outbursts are within reason but then he just flips out irrationally
My view on comedy is just to be clever, also pacing is important think about whether a joke should be fast in order to surprise someone or slow in order to build something up to a better joke, don't be afraid of offending people but don't try to.
That's just me, so while I think Mr. Enter is a smart guy in some areas, he drops the ball at times
As I've said before my opinion on him is mixed.
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Yet its funny that he reviewed the movie without seeing a single episode, even if he treats it as a separate thing, it helps to get to know how the humour and characters work, he only has himself to blame there.
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Maybe...but shouldn't a movie be able to stand on it's own rather than completely rely on the original source material to make sense? It's like with the Pokemon movies...while the fans might enjoy it, it's going to alienate anyone who isn't familiar with the series. This is why they later would add the narration at the beginning of the films that explains about the Pokemon world so the non-fans could have a better understanding. Drawn Together is no exception either.
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That's not how reviewing series works. Especially since you compared it to Pokemon movies which doesn't match with the canon material of the anime.
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As little they add to the Pokemon canon itself, there are still details about it that some non-fans will not be able to get as fans do. Again, alienating non-fans if they happen to watch it. But the movie still has to stand on it's own rather than simply just rely on the original to carry it. Both Spongebob movies were able to do just fine as movies that could stand on their own (and I wasn't that much of a Spongebob fan in the first place, but I still was able to enjoy the first movie a lot. Though I have yet to see the recent film), so what's DT's excuse?
I've seen clips of Drawn Together, and there is quite some contrast compared to the series and the movie in terms of the writing. I thought the series itself would often times try too hard to entertain, but the movie...goes off the rails in trying too hard. I get it's because of the longer runtime and being on uncensored DVD rather than on TV so they have less limits, but when even most fans hate the movie...there is clearly something up.
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It's apples and oranges you are comparing. Spongebob and Pokemon are strong enough to warrant big budgets to their movies.
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But this is supposed to automatically excuse the quality of the Drawn Together movie? I don't think so...
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But you are making a excuse to take shots at the pure adult comedy movie based on an adult comedy show by comparing it to children's franchises.
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Ugh...I compare things a lot, okay!? And I just want quality writing here, not be treated like the bad guy for it just because I don't find this movie well-written and I'm trying to explain why it doesn't work for me.
Besides, people have given far harsher shots at the 'pure adult comedy' movie than me, why in the world are you bothering me about it?
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I do want quality writing but I can try to judge a show based on what it is without having it to compare to something else. Not every show has to be AT, GF, or SU to be enjoyable.
I only wanted to point out the flaw to your argument... You are comparing movies shown in theater to the movies that is direct-to-DVD. There's a reason why Disney sequels aren't held to the same standard as the originals.
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...I honestly dislike Adventure Time. And I'm not a Drawn Together fan because as interesting as the concept is, I didn't like the execution since I felt they were trying too hard. Here's the thing I've been trying to say: I DID NOT find it funny. I'm not comparing DT to GF for the sake of it, I just don't find the show funny for how desperate it is. End of story.
And I don't care if it's direct-to-video, that's no excuse for the writing itself. I'm not even talking about the animation downgrade here to compare.
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Then it is just your opinion then. I only use those shows as examples. This comic was about taking shots against those who use their opinion as fact when others may not feel the same way. We call that democracy.
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And what's wrong with me expressing my opinion? I wasn't even talking to you originally. I'm not saying you need to agree with it, I just want you to get where I'm coming from. And I am not insulting the fans, my issue is more with the show itself. I have friends who have different opinions than me, and that's fine.
There's some nasty rabid fans and haters out there who will not do anything like that and they are the ones who often treat opinions as fact while personally insulting others.
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I wasn't attacking you for expressing your opinion. I was just saying what HS said before above. So we are done here. lol
Indeed. That's why SB99 made the pic.
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But what about those who have strong opinions about things in a similar manner but are still reasonable about it at the same time? Won't that make them insecure if they just so happen to find it creepy about some of Tara Strong's characters sounding alike? Not necessarily because it 'ruins' their childhood (I kind of hate that term in general), but it just weirds them out imagining them acting different. Granted, it can be unintentionally funny that way, but some might be a little uncomfortable.
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If that makes them uncomfortable, then I can't imagine their reaction when Steve Blum played Leeron from TTGL who's very open about his homosexuality. Not to mention that Tara voiced Clara before she voiced Twilight. Besides, it's to be reminded that other VAs did cross audiences and how is it the VAs' fault their characters sound similar?
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I am not saying it's their fault at all, it's pretty unintentional but it is based on how people are able to notice a certain voice that sticks out to them because chances are it brings a sense of familiarity. I know Clara existed way before Twilight did, but there are those who probably were exposed to MLP first. I barely acknowledged Drawn Together's existence until I kept hearing people talk about it on the Internet, and some of the fanart popping up.
I even saw a YouTube video years ago where they put Clara's voice clips with Melody from The Little Mermaid 2. Tara has shown to have good vocal range, it's just that she coincidentally gave Clara and Twilight a similar voice that many picked up on. I remember watching those cheesy Mario cartoons where Tara Strong even had a role as Hip and Hop Koopa (Lemmy and Iggy technically, but they were pretty different in the cartoon), and back then I thought the voice she gave them made me think of Timmy Turner.
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Thing is that they aren't looking at the character if they are only hearing the voice. You can have a strong character with a soprano voice, like Mike Tyson in real life. Stephanie Sheh voices Orihime Inoue from Bleach and also does Nui Harime from Kill La Kill.
Besides, the voice styles for the DT characters are intentional because they are like cartoon characters you see on kid shows... who are not as pure as they look. That's what makes it comedy.
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Maybe because the similar voice, as I said before, gives certain viewers something familiar to them. I KNOW it doesn't define who they are in personality, but that always reminds me of the people who think Twilight Sparkle is goth because of sharing a VA as Raven, when Twilight is supposed to be a more introverted bookworm who shows little to no gothic behavior at all.
I understand for the thousandth time, that's the gist of it. I think the concept is a clever idea, but I disliked the execution of it since it seemed they only made it an adult show JUST to be vulgar for no reason other than because they just can. It ended up being more like wasted potential...
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It's called Playing Against Type. If some still feel bothered about it, then they ought to grow up and realize you can't expect the VA to be stuck with the same type of role forever. Not to mention, it really depends on what show they are watching.
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The difference with the pokemon ones were that they work as spin offs, as a lot animes do that. Originally the mewtwo film WAS supposed to be the finale, but because of how successful the anime was, it was commissioned to change the film entirely so it wouldn't. Where as with the DT movie it was intended to do so, they even said in the commentaries or elsewhere that there would've been more if the film did really well. Plus it was explained that the usage of Flash was because Comedy Central refused to give them a budget, as they cancelled Drawn Together not because of its content, but ironically, it was the most expensive show for them at the time since everything was done traditionally with digital colouring. But that's off topic. While to an extent a film can work on its own, sometimes filmmakers makes it connected to a series on purpose. And in this case, it was.
The problem with Mr. Enter's review was that he didn't bother to get an understanding and chose to watch the film in a way it was not meant to be seen as, which is as a stand alone. Now that's just one thing aside, other than that, its just him bitching about context where the creators know its just vulgar for the sake of being vulgar. Hell, there was even a moral about that in the end where they know they can't have commentary in their humour like South Park (the movie's main target because of Comedy Central) but because they just wanted to do what they think is fun. Which is kinda similar to even cartoons today, as much as people enjoy the ones with depth like adventure time and steven universe, some people just want to have stupid fun like breadwinners. Not everyone will have the same tastes, but continuously bashing on something one person doesn't like will only make that person sound nitpicky and whiny. As they say, one man's junk is another man's treasure.
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Best comment here. You know the DT show well enough to know what the movie is going for. That's what I call knowing your resources.
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Even as a fan I know the show is REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid, but because they don't take themselves seriously, why should I? Even they confessed that everytime they get killed off, they just comeback the next minute, one of my personal fave gags was Captain Hero showing that by slaying himself, and then walking back in as if nothing happened, then telling the audience to try it XD.
But that's just what also bugged me about the review, its not the fact he doesn't like it, hell, its completely understandable for those that don't. Its the combination of ignorance and arrogance that made me realize it was just gonna be 40 minutes of him bitching. The ignorance of him not doing research on the show to get an understanding how the characters and show work and instead making the claim that a movie should stand on its own even if no one is familiar with it. Which was a fatal flaw because it was intentional to be connected to the show, even the first pokemon movie doesn't help the audience explain things and that was a spin off. So all his ranting stemmed from not knowing how the show worked to begin with without actually doing any damn research.
And the arrogance to claim the points of how comedy should work while ignoring the aspect that its subjective, comedy takes different forms. Even South Park commented on that for as much as they hate Family Guy themselves, they're aware and accept that people do enjoy that low brow style of humour more. While jabbing themselves that at least Family Guy (at the time) doesn't get preachy up its own ass like South Park. Which again, WAS the point of the Drawn Together movie's moral. They (symbolized with Spanky Hamm) enjoys the low brow vulgar humour when its just vulgar and adding commentary and purpose to the jokes all the time doesn't make it as funny for him, only takes away what he and others enjoy personally. And to which its also calling out the double standards as South Park is JUST as crude and vulgar as Drawn Together is, its just that obviously South Park is smarter with its commentary and execution without it. And yet people side with South Park just because of the commentary. So there is some bitterness unfortunately, but again, that same can be said with shows like Adventure Time, it can be just as weird and strange as any other low brow kids show, but people side with it more because of the depth in it and criticize anything that doesn't and CLEARLY was not meant for them. And Mr. Enter's attitude just portrays that kind of mindset.
I mean yeah, the DT movie is REALLY stupid, but it wasn't trying to be a masterpiece, they were just sticking with what they and fans enjoy and working with what they can to get it done. And even though the film didn't sell much to get a sequel, at least it was one last hurrah for those who felt dissapointed from the lukewarm 3rd season.
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You hit the nail on the head here, buddy!
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I even wonder if some of Mr. Enter's fans migrated to Rebeltaxi's fandom or whatever
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Unless they're watching him out of pity or just get off of online people bitching, like Time Warner
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To Quote Spanky:
"YESSSS! BUT PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT OUR AUDIENCE, *Bleep*!"
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The way you draw strawman comics presenting people who don't like low-brow humor as pretentious snobs isn't any better in my opinion.
Sorry, but I've bitten my tongue on this long enough.
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It's more of having to do with those who haven't even done research with the show and being thin-skinned with the humor. It's like reviewing a Dragon Ball Z movie without checking out the source material and making your opinion on the show based on just that.
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Eh...I feel I take your side here. I can't say there really is any rules of comedy, and I'm pretty neutral with Mr. Enter but I like a lot of his points. Think about it, he is very passionate about animation so naturally he will take the field of animation pretty seriously. Many reviewers do this for the same reason, and as critics, will explain the good and bad about said topic, even if a lot of it is opinion-based. I'm no Drawn Together fan either, granted I find the concept of different animation styles and genres going together like that to be interesting to show how they compare and contrast. Whereas with this show, I just don't think the execution worked that well from the clips I've seen. I just don't find it that funny since I feel they're trying too hard.
And since when was it considered bad for someone to have some sort of standard about humor?
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You hit it right on the nail.
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It is when you have that standard and sorta expect EVERYONE to follow it.
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I think you mean satire, just because strawman and satire are both about exaggerations, that doesn't make everything a strawman. A strawman is used seriously on things that are not real, a satire is use comedicaly and is on things that are real
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Whatever the definition, the point behind them is the same.
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Well good, maybe its two sides with the same tone
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Those are parody drawings, and don't reflect my actual opinion. I never once said that people who don't like low-brow humor are pretentious snobs. It doesn't matter what you like, but there are no rules to what someone thinks is funny, when all of that is subjective.
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But then what are they parodies of? And if they aren't your opinions, why are you drawing them?
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I draw them because I find it funny. The comic I did yesterday was a parody of people who treat Steven Universe and Gravity Falls like they're the best shows in the world. I'm not poking fun at everyone who likes these two series. I know WHY these shows are good, and I personally enjoy them myself. But to some other people, as shown in the comments, it can get a little annoying to hear so many people talking about these shows like it's the best in animation these days. XD
So, where does this say I think they're pretentious snobs? If you feel that I offended you in some way, sorry.
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I'm just fed up with so many things. But I'm too damn drained physically and mentally to talk anymore. I've been trying to for the past forty minutes or so and I can't come up with anything. This is just too fucking much this time.
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Then you're certain things too seriously if it's causing you to mentally not talk anymore. Just, calm down.
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It was late when this happened, I had been up since 6AM and worked for eight hours, and came home to help with moving our whole house into the basement. I was tired from a lot of things, and this was simply adding to the strain.
And it's funny you say I'm taking it too seriously, considering you got so pissed at Mr Enter's opinion and claimed to lose respect for him because he didn't find a movie that would obviously be decisive among people to be not funny.
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I never said I was angry only because he didn't find the movie funny. If someone doesn't find something, that's fine considering that DT's humor is not for everyone. I was angry because he believes that no one likes to be disgusted, and a show like this shouldn't exist, when that's simply not the case. There's no rule to how to make a cartoon, and there are no rules to comedy, and as a critic he should be aware of this. He doesn't speak for everyone's tastes, he only speaks for himself, and that kind of pretentious attitude loses respect for me.
That's the problem. The reason why so many people take him seriously is because he treats his points like straight true facts.
Heck, he didn't even review the movie that well. This is a guy who doesn't even know Drawn Together that well. Just look at HeartlessSlayer's comment that explains everything about the flaws of his review:
"The problem with Mr. Enter's review was that he didn't bother to get an understanding and chose to watch the film in a way it was not meant to be seen as, which is as a stand alone. Now that's just one thing aside, other than that, its just him bitching about context where the creators know its just vulgar for the sake of being vulgar. Hell, there was even a moral about that in the end where they know they can't have commentary in their humour like South Park (the movie's main target because of Comedy Central) but because they just wanted to do what they think is fun. Which is kinda similar to even cartoons today, as much as people enjoy the ones with depth like adventure time and steven universe, some people just want to have stupid fun like breadwinners. Not everyone will have the same tastes, but continuously bashing on something one person doesn't like will only make that person sound nitpicky and whiny. As they say, one man's junk is another man's treasure."
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I understand what you're saying. Mr Enter forgets that not everybody shares his opinion, and I've definitely picked a few holes out of his arguments myself. But even though it's clear he has a negative opinion of low-brow humor, you keep watching his videos when you know that he isn't going to say anything positive, and then make comics as if to spite him and the people who share a similar opinion.
Also, I'm sick of this recurring theme I keep seeing where 'stupid fun' shows make entire plots based around being proud of how brainless and dumb they are while simultaneously belittling shows that people find superior. It's arrogant and petty, and whether you like it or not, it feels like a little kid acting like tough shit and picking a fight with a pro wrestler.
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(Whoops, sorry I replied again! That's what happens when I have two tabs of the same page. XD)
We can't exactly predict what happens in a video before we watch it. The fact that Enter was going to review the DT Movie intrigued me enough to take a look. Yes, I thought about him completely bashing the movie, but I kept that thought aside and figured that there were going to be some points I would agree with him with (since the film to me wasn't that good, it was just okay), and therefore there were (such as the animation). However, overall the review just felt irritating throughout, aside from a point I agreed with.
These pictures I draw are parody/satire. I usually exaggerate things in the drawing to make them humorous (sort of like how NC does with his character). Sure, it may offend someone, but that's what satire can do, and not everyone will agree with my thoughts. I don't expect everyone to. My description presented here however, is 100% serious. As for people who share his opinion, several people commented that they agreed with his review, and I said that's fine. Even after what I said in the description about him, people can still like Enter if they want to.
So, I think I'm done here. We all have different tastes, that was the point of this whole thing. Whether you disagree or agree with me, I hope this hasn't caused bad blood between us overall. That's what I don't want.
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Neither do I. I truly don't have anything against stupid humor and I never said it was bad to like it. I love youtube poops and they're the stupidest things on the internet.
I just think that when you make something that's derogatory towards a certain group, you can't really expect people to just not be upset or dislike it.
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I see what you mean. I dunno, I don't think anyone would make something, not expecting someone to dislike it. But okay.
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