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CIS: Perhaps the largest droid army ever assembled, the army of the CIS (which stands for Confederacy of Independent Systems) outnumbered the clone soldiers of the Republic 100 to 1. The CIS put fear in the hearts of countless citizens of the Republic, as few could stand before it for long before being mowed down by blaster fire. Hearts of steel, skin of iron, oil and electricity in their veins, the CIS march every onward.Citadel Forces: In a time of great crisis, the various races banded together (thanks to a certain Shepard) to fight off the Reaper threat. This alliance, one of the largest in history, consisted of Humans, Asari, Turians, Hanar, Drell, Volus, Vorcha, Krogan, Geth, Quarian, Batarians, Elcor, "Awakened" Collectors, Leviathan Enthrallment Teams, Salarians, and the criminal organization Aria. United, they are one of the strongest forces in the galaxy.
Now these two armies shall face each other on the field of battle. Can the Citadel Alliance face off this new deadly artificial intelligence? Can the CIS defeat this powerful coalition of aliens? With both sides using their deadliest technologies and sending their greatest heroes into battle, we will soon answer the ultimate question...
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
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The CIS have advantage in just about everything from number, to weapons, to ships, and that"s not even including monsters like grevious or durge. Those two alone would slaughter the citadel armies and then there's ventress and dooku his acolytes and what not. Don't even get me started on the diverse number of droids the cis can field. The only the tip of the iceberg.
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In weapons is shit (an ultrasonic bullet is more painful than a blaster bolt), monsters have heroes to kill them (Shepard, Wrex, Saren), they have fuck hueg numbers if we count batarians and mercenaries, and biotics are more common than jedi, and not that weak compared to them. And the ships are Halo ships, but instead of shooting a 600 tons slug 30 km/s, they shoot a 20 kgs shell 4000 kms PER SECOND. It does about the same damage of a turbolaser, and shoots each 2 seconds. Star Wars does trump them in energy barriers, but once a STG team with humans gets their hands on droidekas shields, that be over.
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Ahhahaha ahhahaha oh that's cute. You think Shepard or wrex is gonna be able to lay a finger on a monster like grevious or durge who both have slaughtered dozens Jedi who are far stronger than a biotic. Yes and clearly their going to be able to get that droideka with repeating blasters real easily consider that those blasters are utterly lethal to them. Also what part of the cis litterly outnumbers the citadel and their armies can I not make clear. Droids like magnaguards, b3 ultra battle droids, commando droids, Scorpeneks would make mince meat at what little the citadel armies can muster and that's the tip of the iceberg. Ships oh boy this isn't even funny turbolasers go into the high end terratons and the worse part mass effect ships have no defense what so ever. You what forget the turbolasers the swarm of droid fighters will do that long before the ships get into firing range.
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Wrex may not, but Grunt is "PURE KROGAN!"... even though I don´t get the actual meaning of that. Star Wars ships have two kind of shields, kinetic ones and energy (the normal) ones; they can power one to the max, but can´t have both raised. And super battle droids are crap compared to krogan civilians (which, for the records, is all of them).
Star Wars may win, but it will by at least a Curbstomp Cushion, and a Phyrric victory at most.
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I said b3 ultra battle droids not b2 which are more than a match for a krogan with their high powered wrist blasters and wrist rockets. Again most mass effect ships will be ripped apart by droid fighters and bomber swarms long before separatists capital ships begin firing. The citadel forces would barely make deny the seps phyrric won't even happen. Either the citadel caves in and surrenders or be crushed by the might separatists alliance. I just realized I left out dookus acolytes which are another winning factor for the separatists.
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Don´t suberestimate the citadel, they aren´t that bad. And kroban are a match for B3. B2 would freak out at seeing a giant turtle man shrug off their blasters. Redundant system mate.
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Redundant systems don't mean jack against arm cannons. I'm not underestimating them I'm just pointing how not even Shepard can save them unless he somehow got the republic involved. This all assuming the council hasn't decided to dismiss the claim of an alliance races and corporations using legions of ai that outnumber them and have tech that is above them. If anything your underestimating how strong b2 super battle droids are let alone b3 ultra battle droids.
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There is no real comparison here IMO if you consider the following:
1. The CIS have greater production capacity due to having control of a large amount of space, meaning more planets at their disposal that are actually tightly knit and with some planets even being completely devoted to industrial production like Geonosis which produces enough battle droids IN A DAY to take over a place like Omega. Compare this to Mass Effect where each faction's controlled area of space looks like swiss cheese due to their reliance on the relay network. The Mass Effect universe simply wouldn't be able to mobilize fast enough since they are mostly equipped for peacekeeping duties instead of actual full scale warfare like the CIS has been since it's beginning.
2. We have to remember that even though the official army of the CIS was called the 'Droid Army' it didn't consist exclusively of droids, they had many organic planetary militias and volunteers who willingly fought against the Republic, this means that the Mass Effect militaries don't have a monopoly on organic units and actually have a problem since many of them are biased against synthetics and even when faced with a war of survival would be reluctant about fighting alongside Geth. (This is proven by the fact that Quarians were fighting a separate war with the Geth while the rest of the Galaxy was burning under the Reaper onslaught, all because they wanted was to settle a score with the Geth and get their homeworld back.) Compare this to Star Wars where droids, including ones designed for warfare and security work, are pretty much commonplace and people have no problem working alongside them even if many people consider droids to be nothing more than glorified laborers and something to be sent into the (meat)grinder when conflict breaks out.
3. The CIS have superior weaponry, there is no question about this their infantry weapons can simply ignore kinetic shields and their armor and air force win in both numbers and destructive capability. Biotics are not very useful since they are so rare and even amongst the Asari most don't practice their biotic ability outside of the military, this means that individual biotics are not really going to make a difference since they can be simply overwhelmed by masses of expendable infantry or get run over by tanks. The Droid army also has a lot more diversity in their arsenal considering they have multiple types of battle droids, gunships, bombers, fighters, walkers, tanks, troop transports, artillery (when was the last time you even saw artillery in Mass Effect because I sure can't remember?) and hell they can even produce their commanders synthetically by just uploading the tactics and strategies to a command battle droid or a tactical droid.
4. Force > Biotics There is absolutely no contest here, the force is simply way more diverse in the abilities it can provide to its user.
5. Continuing on my first point the CIS also has a larger and more diverse population along with the backing of some of the biggest technology corporations, banks and trade organizations in the galaxy whom have devoted both their financial and military assets into the war effort meaning they are prepared to fight a much longer war than all of the Mass Effect races combined.
5. The Mass Effect races are not very innovative and have remained technologically stagnant ever since they came to rely on Element Zero based technology they would have even lost against the Reapers had it come to just a straight out slugfest and when they won they did so by basically cheating and using a superweapon which they weren't sure would even work to wipe them all out. Meanwhile the CIS develops new units constantly to gain the upper hand in their war against the Republic (ex. The Defoliator, a weapon that targets only organics which would have been useful against GAR who fielded exclusively clones and a few select voluntary groups such as Rahm Kota's Militia if it hadn't been destroyed.)
I think you've gotten the point by now, these two are not on equal grounds on pretty much any level and the CIS would win by an insanely large margin without even breaking a sweat no matter how many Mass Effect fanboys cry foul.
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I think you wrote everyhting, but one last thing: CIS also have guys like Dooku, Ventress, Durge and Grievous. These m#$%&fuckers could kill entire armies by themselves. Hell, Grievous even has Jedi lightsabers like war trophies, Durge is nearly immortal, Ventress had the potential to fight with Darth Sidious himself and Dooku was the guy who lead them.
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Correction. Dooku and Ventress are threats, GG is sadly a joke now and Durge isn't canon anymore...
I miss the old 2D Clone Wars days...
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People tend to use both Legends mixed with canon sometimes when it comes to something like this. It's unfair to just leave it at canon because Disney has destroyed a lot of stuff..
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Disney has ruined some stuff, but have at least tried to keep some characters in character such as Thrawn. The destruction of the EU started with Star Wars the Clones Wars.
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Are The Bold Words Necessary?
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It started as a gimmick... sadly I can't stop now.
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Oh..no problem..
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You know, I consider it to be a bit funny to have Star Wars faction and not allow it to have fight in space, Most if not All major combat there happens in space
That being said, I'm pretty sure that CIS would win this, due to massive! droid armies, and since they put in their heroes, that includes both Sith and the fallen/dark jedi, Ventress, Savage, Grevius (okay not a jedi/sith but still counts) Dooku and couple more that I can't remember, plus Sidius, he still counts.
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Citadel Alliance wins, biotics users would be like Jedi's to the Droids.
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Shall I remind you that Droids did kill Jedi? The only problems them had with them, were the lightsaber which blocked blasters (Biotics don't have them) and (force) Agility to dodge them (again Biotics don't have that) so 2 biggest advantages are out of the window.
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Actually biotic users do have agility also they have a lot more going on.
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Barriers witch protect against everything except melee attacks, stasis witch can immobilize and only can be broken by damping witch the CIS doesn't have, singularity witch can pull multiple enemies to as single spot leaving the helpless, and this is just from the first game witch there are a crap load of different other biotic abilities far more powerful that these.
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"Kinetic" Barriers, aka they protect against ballistic weapons, not energy based weapons such as blaster which every droid has, plus you are forgetting the Defoliator weapon, which basically kills organic things, and no its not limited, it has been mas produced in the show so yeah.
Also, how good are Biotics against Air units? Seps did utilize those a lot. Or against Heavy ground units?
Plus you did see the variety of droids they can deeply right?
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And do you recall the “Trihexalon” weapons from Star Wars: Jedi Starfighter, or “Trihexalophine1138” in Star Wars Republic 68: Armor that was briefly mentioned in Dark Force Rising and The Last Command?
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Not really no, I don't
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Well, I thought that I might mentioned it to you in passing in case you were interested.
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Not Kinetic Barriers, Biotic Barriers.
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Which, gamevise, works the same way as kinetec barrior, doesnt it?
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No they protect against other attacks except from melee and debris.
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So they are useless against Lightsabers, vibroblades and electro staffs? COmmando and Magnaguards take them then.
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Yeah but they wouldn't get close to a biotic to be useful they would get hit by stasis or singularity before than.
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Unless if they use their Stealth tactics, or assasin droids, or you know, Hyena bombers to bomb htem out, Super tanks to simply run them over or simply bomb them out with Defoliators and other artilery
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Yeah no CA has engineers who could hack CIS and they also have sleath tactics as well, CA got all there bases covered.
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If you never encounter the tech you are trying to hack, that would be hard to impossible, especially if that tech is shotting you while you're trying to do that, as for CA Stealth, they are still organic, any force user in CIS would be able to sense them, while Geth have those flashlight heads, not something that can be hide well.
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But the Beth can, also theb CA got the Normandy witch can destroy any ship, tank or what ever the CIS has.
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What Beth? and "(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)" So that be a no to Normandy, if you put in Normandy, then CIS puts in their Providences, Lucrehulk or the Malevolance, any of those ships could pound a reaper with a single barrage maybe even a single shot, why? Cause Turbolasers on it fire 200 gigaton shots, compare that to CA dreadnought who fire shots that do "Only" 32 kiloton shots
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I meant Geth, Actually the Normandy could fight planet-side if wanted to, also CA planet vehicles are much faster and can avoid most of the CIS fire than the CIS could to against the CA. Also the CIS loses mainly because there army is nothing but cannon fodder witch the CA deals with on a daily bases.
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I already gave my answer on Geth, you just don't seem to read it. And Normandy can't do ground strikes, at least from what I remember, I don't recall Normandy doing ground strikes in Mass effect 1, while in 2 and 3 its to big to go on orbit, its why it's using shuttles to deploy shepard and his team.
And Cannon Fodder is only the B1 droid, who were meant to overwhelm enemy simply because of the large number, sure B2 may look the same, but remember its more armored and armed with laser cannons. And of course you have Droidekas, who get shield once they deeply, not even going to bother to mention Magnaguards, commando droids, Dwarf spiders and the rest.
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Still all in all they are still cannon fodder.
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Considering that this is how and why they were build for, yeah, but your point is?
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1. Mass Effect verse shield can't absorb blaster shot, so it mostly one shot like stormtrooper.
2. Mass Effect verse still use sluggish/solid base weapon, a super battle droid would take 15-30 shots to kill by standard rifle.
3. Mass Effect verse fighter are mostly organic, except Geth, so CIS will retk them with bio-weapon. Yes, they have bio-weapon.
4. CIS have better air force and vehicle, most armed with energy shield btw.
5. Magna Guard can keep up with the Jedi, it will take some work for Krogan and Asari to kill them.
6. Droideka is one droid suppression squad, it gonna take a lot of grenade or good engineer to disable them, especially in numbers.
7.Keep in mind that this is 'drop 1000 of these faction, that was supposed to be dying in the background of MC, to fight 1000 of these faction, that was also supposed to be dying in the background of MC, in their original state with no adaptability what so ever, also no hero' kind of fight. CIS will pretty win with air force and tank alone, their troop will be pretty much pathetic though, except Super Battle Droid, Magna Guard, Droideka and Commando Droid.
PS. In this fight Engineer class is better than Vanguard, 'cause of shield disable.
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Dude a singularity would make the Magna guard fish in the barrel.
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True, but CIS airforce and tank would still make them win.
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the separatists will make mince meat out of them long before any heroes will be needed.
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kind of tired. Alright you win
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