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Idea is mine, though based on the Tournament of Mortals.Now we begin a new ear: Where the fates are reversed and those once thought lost rise to find themselves on the center stage!
This is a hypothetical Round 2, featuring two fighters who have both fought to protect mankind from the evils beyond understanding.
Reimu Hakurei: A powerful and holy Shrine Maiden, Reimu has battled everything from gods and demons, to vampires and ghosts, all to keep mankind safe. With her mystical powers, she has banished or destroyed some of the most powerful evil in existence.
Superman: Faster then a speeding bullet, and more powerful then a locomotive, Superman has been the Earth protector for decades. With an arsenal of abilities and the strength to physically move mountains with ease, Superman is one tough SOB.
Now, as the two get ready to battle, we must wonder: Reimu may have fought her way through hell and back, but can she take the Man of Steel? We all know magic is one of Superman's main weaknesses, but that hasn't stopped him before... Can Superman tough it out long enough to pull off a win? And if her magic fails her, what can Reimu do? This battle may rip the battle ground asunder, but in the end, only one can continue on to be--
THE DEADLIEST MORTAL!
Finally, in a classic 'To the Victor Goes the Spoils', after you pick a winner, pick something for them to take from the loser. It may be something as simple as a piece of equipment, to something as complex as a power. I'm just curious what you all would say.
(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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Iku vs Alpha is difficult. On one hand, Iku has got waaaaay more firepower, but Alpha has pretty good adaptability, and the fight is really restricted if its on the ground only. My verdict is Iku, 7/10 again, by virtue of her firepower.
Sentry wins, no question. 9.5/10 - Flandre is way powerful, and her 'eye-destruction' is fucking broken, but Sentry has faced others like her, and his own powers are more formidable than Flandres.
. . . What!? Obviously Edward wins! No question! . . . seriously, fuck Twilight -_-
And Tewi's powers are situational. She can't use them willy-nilly, plus, Luck can only get you so far
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Sentry vs flandre, hm I think flandre wins. Did you know Flandre has a sword called Leviathan? That sword is known to have the power to destroy the Universe and flan never goes serious. She's just playing. Apparently, Remilia manipulates fate so Flan will not cause severe destruction.
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Hey, don't underestimate Sentry; he's fought people as powerful as Flandre before. And while Leviathan could certainlyndestroy the moon, its no universe buster.
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No her sword is capable on destroying the universe that's why Remi pays careful attention and never let's her out. And the ability to destroy anything by crushing the eyes meaning she can erase anything and destroy them whatever she holds attention on. Meaning in a blink of eye. She once destroyed a meteor without even touching it. She has a intensive regeneration ability as well. Even so, she got in a fight with mokou and was literally burn down into ash but she keeps moving toward and fighting while burning. Some even argued that she is immortal. If not,she is extremely hard to be killed. And she can clone herself and she overpowers remi except for fate. Most of her spell cards are named forbidden or taboo because they are simply broken. If there were no spell cards rule and remi, gensokyo and possibly the universe is gone. Flandre is probably the one of the top 10 strongest character in touhou. I would say she's stronger than Suika. And yeah she kills supes pretty easy
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Reimu wins. I mean she can just Musou Tensei Superman's ass
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Reimu would win. She controls magic (technically prayer slips and her god's power augmented through Yin-Yang Orbs), and she is used to dodging crap. Superman's only long-distance attacks are his heat vision, which would have the same issues as Alice's laser in Imperishable Night, and his super breath, which would only blow her back. If Supes gets up close, he gets tagged. If he stays far away, he cannot attack and will eventually get tagged. That is with the Spell Card Rules active...
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No she controls Divine energy being a Miko (Shrine Maiden) and all, Though Divine Energy is in itself magic, just unlike Magic, she invokes the power of a god to use her abilities (and since the god she is attached to is very powerful almost nothing can stop her provided she can defend herself).
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And if she can't beat him alone, her best friend CAN control magic...
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Like Shazam, They HAVE TO HIT HIM FIRST, and lets count the magic users in Touhou outside High Tier's like Yukari, All human ones such as Marisa would have her Hakkero taken from her before she could hit him again provided she even fires it off before he speeds up behind her and takes it, Patchouli is a big threat but being frail and prone to miscasting puts her at a disadvantage (Like a HUGE one), Only Yukari would be a creditable threat, Folks would try to say Yuyuko, But she will NEVER use her ability as she despises it too the point of killing herself (Even in canon games she has never used it, and even then still powerful, that ability to instant kill would make her unstoppable), So unless you can pick someone who would be able to beat big blue for Reimu that's not Yukari, Big Blue wins (plus Reimu is at a disadvantage because of Supes Super speed, Sigh this is why I dislike the Man of Steel...So Broken great character personality and backstorywise...but so Broken)
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Superman would only take the mini Hakkero if he knew about it. So that won't happen until she tags him or misses a shot. If this was a death battle, Yuyuko would since you can't kill her. And since some one is actively trying to MURDER HER FRIENDS, she would feasibly use it as a last resort.
Since you asked for people who could beat Superman, here's what half the cast can do. Suika wins by creating a black hole or condensing her fist to obscene leves and knock Supes block off ( which of course assumses she can keep up. Unlikely, but Superman isn't gonna do much with long range combat, since she could drag him to her with density hax). Remilia unconsciously or consciously alters Supes fate, causing him to lose, die, or forfeit to get some tea. Shiki Eiki can literally make Superman kill himself with her mirror, as well as being immortal. Kaguya and Mokou win a war of attrition, Toyotomihime uses femto fibers to stop him ( infinite mass hax), Yorhime would probably summon the god of Krypton or some bullshit, Youmu slashes him in half at 1/4 the speed of light (calculated, my friend) with an every widing slash form Roukanken, Flandre just crushes his "eye" and he implodes, Tenshi's sword of Hisou would just act like Kryptonite due to it's weakness exploitation power, Byakuren keeps up with Sutra hax and distracts SUpes until Reimu beans him with the Yin Yang orb or gaps him outside the battle field ( traing with Yukari), Yoshika turns him into a Jiang Shi and ends the fight in a draw or eats is freaking souls, Yuugi lands three hits and Supe loses ( How KO in 3 Steps works isn't explained, but Yuugi makes the unexplainable happen, so...), Utsuho makes a red sun to weaken him, Suwako curses Superman to screw up, Mystia blinds him, Cirno manages to fuck up and absorb the heat of the universe and effectively kill all none immortals ( theoretical, since she's stupid and we have no clue how strong she is), Eirin uses that probability hax thing Lunarians do, Patchouli keeps dumping him into those stupid unbreakable bubbles, Seija reverse strength and weakness, Sukuna wishes Superman to lose with the Miracle mallet or just shrinks him until someone can crush him, Staori and Reisen fuck with his mind with their creepy eye magics, Raiko makes Superman follow her musics rhythm ( and calms him the fuck down), Nue and Mamizou trick everyone into thinking they won and go home, Tewi using luck magic to win ( hax abilities once again), Sanae makes a miracle happen while Superman is busy with Reimu, Suwako creates "earth" ( an element of acceptance, devotion, and subtlety) to get him to relax, Kanako does the exact opposite with sky and commands him to calm down, Komachi warps him into a black hole, Alice's grimoire apparently contains broken as hell magic, and Kokoro would technically win since the destruction of her masks would remove all emotion from Superman (leaving him a useless husk of his former self) These all assume that other come to help, or ignore the fact that Reimu won't die since she'd get bored and give up or just get gapped to safety by the ever watching Yukari.
Most Touhou characters are either really broken, immortal, or happen to be so vague you can't draw a conclusion. Because of this, they shouldn't really be in death battles.
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Thanks for responing but, the weakness of many of them is that you expect their abilities to ACTUALLY be a threat to Superman, that and Eiki beats everyone so I really should have exluded her when I said anyone, Flandre is vague and the Kyuu thing is a fandom thing, Fandom material is not allowed, I know Suika can pull people anywhere but I KNOW she doesn't open black holes (as that drags and crushes), Supes has been hit by mind and senseroy type attacks before so Reisen is at a HUGE disadvantage, Miracle Mallet no longer works till it's recharge which will be a LONG while till then, Eirin is smart but then so is Darkseid and Lex Luther and Superman has beat them at the skin of his teeth in the past and I know either those two are higher in the danger level then her, Sanae miricles ARE NOT instant they have a cast time, length depending on what she's calling a miracle FOR, Komachi controls DISTANCE, not a black hole, Kanako and Suwako are god's but then SO IS DARKSEID, their powerful yes but not at his level and Supes has fought and beaten gods much stronger, Tewi's luck is up to debate, but her powers are not like Hex Magic, it usually helps her AVOID meeting a bad fate and too much good luck attracts BAD LUCK, Raiko rhythm doesn't work like that, MYstia can blind him, but he can still hear her (HE has found enemies vie his hearing in the past, Yuugi powers are vague and while she's strong (Being a Diva), supes has fought strong foes much worser then her before (MAgical strenght ones like Captain Marvel and Black Adam for example), Yoshika a corspe (Supes doesn't hold back against robotic and undead like he does the living), NO ONE USES YORIHIME, SHE IS A F#$KING MARY SUE, same with Toyohime, should have excluded them too (Plus Manga created character's don't count, I was talking about those who have been in the games), Byakuren does not start fights and I doubt Supes would fight her either, plus Super Speed, Tenshi is taken out before she can even use the sword as SUPER SPEED, Kaguya and Mokou immortal has a weakness, they can't die, but they can still tire out and starve (Supes imprisons them in something they can't get out of so, Remilia's FAte powers are vague and as of the manga she can only through this is special conditions, and she immoble at that point, has to concentrate, and can't just alter fate, only Manpulate, Mami (Who I love) is very good at illusion's, but then so have many of Supes rogue gallery both his own and the ones he has with the JLA, Cirno is poweful, but she's as powerful as a Fairy can get and their weak (Still threatening but not by much, and even though she beat Marisa in FW, Marisa was holding back during that fight, had she been serious Cirno would have lost), Sadly Alice has yet to actually use the Grimore (anything before ESOD is non canon now sadly so you can't use Mystic Square till ZUN says otherwise), Patchy is very fragile and sickly, Supes just has to blow a little dust at her in a normal fashion to take her out, she has been known to fumble her casting do to her Astima (Mispell sorry), without the Miracle Mallet, Seijia is back to her usual power level, she is a low tier Youkai who's power was only what it was in DDC because of the Mallet without it and Sukuna NOW (Good god did she have a bad case of trusting the WRONG PERSON, especially when she correctly knew what type of youkai Seija was to boot) knows she's untrustworth and will never trust her again espeically after she abandoned her after the events of DDC (a new Danmaku game is coming out where Seijia is the main character and it's about her trying to avoid being punished by many of the bosses in that game for starting up the events of DDC in the first place), Satori can read minds, but she has to react, being a youkai who rarely leaves her home doesn't do much for your ability outside magic. Rin rarely fights and is barely good at it and Okuu is too much like ever other brute type enemy Supes has faced and can be dealt with ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE CAN MAKE SUNS WHICH WILL JUST EMPOWER HIM (Only reason others like Atom can use red sun energy is because they've witness and know how to replicate it, Okuu does not), Satori is weaker then those two. Koishi is an empty shell who's random, so she can't be counted on.
The only one I'll give you is Kokoro, and Komachi as being a Shinigami does make one threating, she is strong on her own and her distance power can be used against Supes effectivelly and she has showen herself capable when it counts....till Eiki orders her to stand down cause she is not a Reaper Shinigami. plus in the case of the MARY SUE moon sister's why would they add Reimu, THEY WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EARTH, only leaving the moon to visit Eirin, plus who knows if Toyohime really did beat Yukari, Yukari has shown her ability to outsmart everyone including their sensei Eirin, Yukari seems the type to take a dive and even if she looked like she was grovelling in front of Toyohime when she was visiting Eirin, she didn't look like she meanr it, and most people don't look like what their doing while grovling is like some joke their doing, or still showing an air of cofidence when they should be far more nervous and fearful even when keeping their cool in that situation, for all we know Yukari may have won their fight but had no desire in actually WINNING the war she started with the Moon, to save face Toyohime has to continue acting like she won that fight, Yukari is the type to lie about anything, She's friendly to humans, yet claims to most other youkai that she does this to more easily manpulate Humans, she's and Manipulatior, easier to control both youkai and humans when they view her as non hostile (Youkai would be harder to manipulate if they believed she was truly friendly to humans). Yukari would interfere if Reimu life was endanger (and she has no heir), otherwise Reimu on her own).
If I have any mispells, I apoligize, but it should not be hard to guess what the word I was trying to spell
Yes I am aware, that Reimu is a bloody genius, she's a natural at anything and has good intuation especially on where she needs to go and do. but her power source is the Border, it's easy to be broken when you have an infinite source of energy (Like being a Mage that has a Mana source that's never ending), Humans can be powerful, but there is a source which they draw on to use their power, Youkai have the advantage of being magical beings so they have a higher source of magic power to draw on then humans (Espeically Magican Youkai like Patchy, Alice and Byakuren), Even Sakuya has her limits being human as if not why does she only stop time, and only at cetain limits.
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I doubt he'd be immune to Flandre. Her willingness depends on who you ask...
Eiki is the local god of Death. Then again, she'd just end up liking the Boy Scout...
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Still going to throw Super Speed on Flandre too, but Her appearance might throw Big Blue off so It's up to debate
As for Eiki Would she even get involved (stickler to the rules, Canonwise Komachi beat the living tar out of Tensei in SWR but was stopped from reaping her by Eiki as it wasn't her job being a boatman Shinigami not a reaping one)
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Flandre never goes serious because she carries the sword of leviathan that could destroy the universe. The only reason, she doesn't do it because Remilia manipulate the fate of Flan to now allow her to do so. Flandre can top the touhouverse possibly in marvel. Superman doesn't stand a chance against her. And flandre is immortal, she was one burnt by Mokou's phoenix, but she stoods up like a zombie and walks while she was burning.
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Again as stated Flan is Unskilled But Strong, She has the mindset of a child (Take her insanity as you will, but she is not insane like Fandom likes to make her sometimes in Canon, Just doesn't know that her form of "playing" is dangerous to others), Plus THIS IS SUPERMAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, You know the man faster then anyone only a Speed Force user being able to match him in speed, and he bench-presses PLANETS, Flan is out muscled and out speed (Though this is still Supes we're talking about the embodiment of good in the DC universe as much as Cap America is in the Marvel universe, him killing an innocent child (even a vampire one) is not in character)
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Lol, calm down, don't pack up all the details randomly, I am confuse in your paragraph 2. Yes, supes may defeat several magic users but do know that he's the main character and flan is not all about magic as well. anyways supe an important character. Just like in touhou, reimu and Marisa are both the main character and the main character just somehow wins most of the battle even tho their opponent is superior. So it makes sense that they win, hell they even beat keine and suika. This is the archetype of main characters. Hell yeah, flandre is not an important character and she did not contribute much on touhou plus she was barely even allow to go out. The only place you find flan is in a small room. Remi contributes more. Did you said flan is not uber? First, she is an extra boss in eosd, an extra boss can only be unlocked after you beat the final boss meaning the extra boss is stronger and more uber than the final boss and It did states that flan's speed, strength, defence, spell cards are superior than remi except that remi's ability to manipulate fate is godlike. Flan's ability to destroy anything is as well uber that she has to be locked in the room with no out because remi knows that it will put the world at risk. Yep, remi and other characters may have more experience to fight but hey, let's exclude remi here. Let's say Marisa vs Flandre, no matter marisa has more experience on fighting or whatever, she just can't withstand a god like power who can destroy anything and cause huge destruction without even touching, just with 1 thought. Now to the spell cards rules. Spell cards rules are significant in touhou to simply make the battle more fair. Fantasy Heaven, a spell card where the opponent can't do anything but dodging. That's just cheating and unfair to the opponent and the result is too obvious so it is reasonable to put spell cards rules. And I am sure there are spell cards on flan that are hax and op. That's not the only reason that flan doesn't goes serious and use her main ability. Your right, her mind is just like a kid, remi is basically like her parents and flan is just obedient to her so she will listen to remi not to unleash too much power. Even so remi manipulates fate to make flan don't go berserk and use her main ability just as she manipulate fate to let Sakuya live longer. And there is more reasons for flan to follow the spell cards rules, everyone in touhou is obliged to it and if they breaks it, it's like breaking the law and she, probably the whole scarlet family will be hunted down. There are beings in touhou that is stronger than flan like yukari, Keine, etc. I don't think shiki can beat flan tho and LOL Flan won't even understand a thing what shiki says when she is judging her and lecturing. So the prove that flan is more hax and op than supes still remains. And about the classes(dun fully understand wat u mean by classes, social class?), it may apply to touhou but not outside touhou and superman has nothing to do with it. Certainly kanako and suwako are both gods and they may weight the same to yukari but their abilities are totally different. And shiki weights more than yukari but yukari's ability is more broken than her.
Now, I would like to confirm flan's ability [Ability: Destruction of anything and everything] She destroys everything in her way without touching or touching. She regenerates really quick like extreme, faster than buu. In one of the fight of Mokou vs Flandre, Mokou burns down flan into ash(yes to ash) but when Mokou stops and thinks she's dead, NO! MOKOU'S BEEN BUST DOWN AFTERWARDS! MASSIVE REGENERATION! Some even think Flan can't die but that's currently unknown. Flandre is a vampire yet she's not, her attribute, her personality, her abilities, the fact she's immune to all vampire's WEAKNESS! She is known to be the god of destruction and born to destroy the world! So she destroy superman in a blink of eye and even if superman is able to land hits on her she can endure and regenerate with extreme speed OR she can't die meaning immortal.
Now let's look through her spell cards: She can undulate sun flare(possibly red sun that superman's weak at), She possessed all 5 elements of magic Fire, Water, Wood, Metal, and Earth(she can combine them as well with becomes a huge force and power). She wields the sword of Lävatein which has the power to destroy the world with one hit. She can clone herself maximun 4 and fight at the same time. And others which are not specific.
Some extra conclusion: Reimu and Marisa fought with flan and won before and I did said that without spell card rules marisa would lost. Now I would like to go with reimu vs flandre
The only and YES THE ONLY 1 WAY REIMU CAN WIN OR SURVIVE is the Fantasy Heaven. I just noticed something about the Fantasy Heaven and get the concept. Yukari taught Reimu the Fantasy Heaven if I remembered correctly but she did taught reimu some special skills. Anyways, fantasy Heaven is quite similar to Yukari's gaps. The fact that Yukari Hibernates in the gaps, no one can enter in it. It's like another dimension or something. Yes So when Reimu activates Fantasy Heaven, she vanishes in reality and nothing, there is nothing, not her aura/spiritual energy or watever. It's basically the same meaning as her existent is gone. Flandre can destroy anything and everything but she can't destroy something that doesn't exist or something that's not there. And while Reimu's under fantasy heaven, she can still inflict massive damage and tons of magic, orbs, amulet, attacks to the opponent. In touhou hisoutensoku, her attacking number was extremely high and the power was so massive that it is known that when she activates it, the opponent will lose 100% causing fatallity. The question is: can flan survive that kind of attack? Will it end up in a stalement?
Anyways, it was awesome discussing with you, I never wrote a long paragraph for fun like this other than school works
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Uber and dangerous are too seperate things, I said Remilia was more dangerous cause she has a better mastery of her abilities, Flan's powerful but unskilled, Remember no matter how uber supes is, Kyrptonite will always drop him like a rock in seconds of close contact (Supes has gotten smart to this though so you have to be REALLY slick like Batman, Joker and Luthor to get it close to him), Skill and Power are Seperate things, Not calling Flan weak nor not uber, just Unskilled as she seems to be a savant in her ability but no clear experience in how to use it skillfully lessens her threat level if your prepared even when caught unprepared, Remilia is a different story (I do like Flan more then Remilia, Though with the SDM Meiling is my number one favorite with Sakuya being my second and Patchy being my third, Flan is fourth). Power only gets you so far, Flan can use similar powers like Remilia but Remilia has more experience using them while Flan uses them out of instinct then experience, Remilia only flaw is her pride and arrogence (which is common with Haughty Vampires like her LOL)
While cool, It's not canon so like the Turian Counciler once said "I have dismissed that claim" LOL cool fight though but you HAVE to give canon material (Well as canon as it gets and since Flan has not been seen outside EOSD unless you count her small appearance which was more her shadow in the Inaba series, she has only been mentioned.
This (Fantasy Heaven) is why I hate Reimu vs., cause everyone goes straight for that one.
I do enjoy a good discussion and without being flamed too, Thxs
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Yes, some of the feats I used may not be cannon(not completely sure) while some. But the abilities, spell cards are from cannon. Zun, the creator of touhou only made the official touhou bullet games(touhou 1 - 14.3) and some of the manga(might be worng). So there aren't much feats on Touhou just description. However, the thing is Zun gave us a lot of freedom on fanmade and wants us to continue or preserve touhou in the future. Unlike other stuff, if we do a fanmade there's a high chance that it is illegal as copyright. Anyways back to the point! You see how many fan works are there? TONS! a lot of the games are also fanmade like gensokyo no nazo, touhou sky arena, touhou wandering souls, etc. Yes, there are fighting arena, rpg, shooting, dating sim, etc. I can tell you 65% of the games are fanmade. Yet, that's only the GAMES I haven't mention the Anime is as well fanmade, there are fanmade arts, mangas there are fan made musics, there are fan made characters and hell there are even fan made comedy shows call Touhou grand prix. To sum all of them up about 75% of touhou projects are fanmade(maybe I am exaggerating but at least more than Cannon's work which is really rare compare to other series. Even so, some of the popular non-cannon can be count as feat(this is my opinion) the popular ones and the ones that people acknowledges! I am not saying all but just the famous ones. Without fanmade, I am sure touhou won't be as popular as everyone thinks. Like, I like a lot of fanmade works some I even like more than Zun's work. And note that fanmade in touhou is not inaccurate, it bases all the facts and applies to it. I am currently working on an rpg on touhou as well and willing to publish it in the near future
While I am saying some of the feats are non-cannon but I believe there are some that are cannon. And opps, I did mention that she was locked up but forgot to mention that she once went out and destroy a meteoroid by crushing the eyes without touching it. She just go kyuu and it's done(this is cannon)
But I believe Zun treats Fandom part of cannon as well cus he wants more touhou to expand more and the prove is he completely allows fandom. And if he did not(which he won't) most touhou fans will treat fan works as part of touhou as long as they are accurate and make sense.
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I know, If they game was not authorized by ZUN/Shanghai then it's fanmade and not canon (Games that are canon outside the main games are the fighting ones and Fairy Wars and the ones involving Aya and Hatate of course), I disregard anything non-canon in Vs. discussions unless told otherwise which you did, so thank you for that
Yeah I know that one, She was quite bored too, Just destroyed it and treated it as non important.......like a boss LOL
He does but there hinting it and then there's established fact (Perfect Memento does mention Sakuya Vampire Hunter Backstory but its treated as an interesting rumor in canon then as fact as it's not officially till any of the SDM girls or the maid herself mention it or outright say so), I mean Dai-chan, Momiji and Koa where fanmade who were made canon by the drunk magnificent bastard himself, so who's to say what else fanmade is canon or will be canon.
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Yeah, Fantasy heaven is too hax that every uses it to argue that reimu can beat most of the being. I had an argument about Reimu vs sakuya before. Some said that sakuya can stop the time before she activates fantasy heaven OR she can reverse the time when Reimu activates Fantasy Heaven. I personally chose Reimu but it's really hard to say. What if Reimu activates her fantasy heaven faster and about reversing the time. Reimu is in a complete different dimension where no one can reach her. Can sakuya reversing effect able to affect her. I think her time reverse only effect in one dimension meaning one world(hard to explain). What do you think? Who would win and why?
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Or what if Fantasy Heaven outright ignores the time stop and Reimu's playing with Sakuya by acting like it affects her
I treat all the character's NOT Yukari as logically as possible, With Reimu her life is tied to the barrier and the dragon god who helped her family and Yukari (It's all but said Yukari helps maintain the barrier with Reimu's familiy and she pretty much acts like a respectful representative to Gensyoko so there) build the barrier, so the reason she can abuse the hell out of FH is because she has a powerful unlimited resource of magical energy backing her up...provided she's within Gensyoko itself (Silent Sinner comes to mind if you know what I mean), Sakuya is powerful, but really that power comes from her ability to stop time which is shown to have limits, she's broken because she's smart enough to use those moments of time stopping and freezing to her advantage but she's human meaning a fight with a youkai without flying and occasionally time stopping will end badly for her, a Hard felt victory or crushing defeat is immanent, and Sanae can't create miracles on the spot, it depends on the miracle itself with more complicated ones taking time( Akuu has mention this), She's strong on her own she IS a Miko after all and god blooded on her way to making that FULL, Keine, Youmu and Kagerou are half-youkai though so is Rinnosuke and he's powerless, and Marisa is the best case of using what she has as every magical thing she uses is something she created or "borrowed' except her magical reactor she uses for Master Spark, which Rinnosuke gave her. At best Sakuya and Marisa are my favorite human characters because they have nothing empowering them (If you count Sakuya being empowered by Remilia when her eyes glow red), and have no magical half or heritage to speak off (I do not acknowledge the Sakuya is a Lunerian theory till ZUN says otherwise, People associate Lunerians as broken cause Toyohime beat Yukari and the whole apolige thing Yukari did that came off as groveling, even though they got outsmarted and robbed, and I hold to the theory Yukari could manhandle Toyohime, but is smart enough to know her limits, Fighting an entire advanced civiliatzation alone is not very smart, hell I view the war as simply testing the waters, If she won, Hey nice job everyone and we know longer have to worry about the moon folk, If she lost well, You know what happened and it shows those who might want to take the Moon folk on what to expect (or as other theorized, she used the war to get rid of youkai who would have gotten in the way of Gensyoko creation or gave her some issue at some point....and got blindsided by Toyohime, not epically defeated, just blindsided, I hate those's Mary sue sisters, interesting characters but its their powers which I hate, especially Yorihime who's the Lunerian counterpart to Reimu, only less interesting other then their connection to Eirin who I like as much as Yukari)
To make it short, Reimu wins, Sakuya is skilled, but then remember that Reimu did canonwise defeat her, Meiling, Patchouli, Remilia and Flandre, and subtracting Flandre, she defeated all four of them in a single day (or night), Outside the spell rules, Sakuya still loses unless she gets the jump on Reimu or catches her off guard.....Sigh this is the problem with Lazy Genius characters with a lot of in story plot armor and Deus Ex Machina's on their side, it's hard to gauge them since their likely to pull a power out their ass and win effortlessly, I like Reimu, but then it's like how I like Superman, their personalities and character, Their powers are TOO broken hence why I like characters like Spiderman, Captain America, Iron Man, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, Hong Meiling, and Kagerou Imaizumi, Balanced interesting characters who are powerful but not broken, With character's like Yukari being broken is okay cause it fits their character (look at Darkseid for example) so I'm okay with that.
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Just because supe has faster doesn't mean he can beat flan, flan destruction is far beyond superman. As I said, she's a universal buster. Her sword of leviathan has the power to destroy the universe. And her ability is to destroy anything without even touch, and just a thought of the target she wants to destroy. The only reason she doesn't do it because of remi manipulating her fate and spell card rules.also, her healing abilities is far beyond anything. She was once burn into ash but comes back. Some said she can't be killed but it's currently unknown. She's so dangerous that she has to be locked in The room and forbid to go out. Honestly, flan can beat Suika and Suika can manipulate density. She can turn herself bigger than Sttgl but flan can destroy it in a blink of eye. I don't see how supe is winning this.
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Even powerful magic users have trouble fighting Supes, plus folks LOVE to Uber Flan a little bit too much she's powerful but still has a child mindset, a good plan and setup even if she strikes first can beat her (Do remember she did loss to Reimu and Marisa in canon and the two are STILL terrifyed of her, plz don't use the spell card rules as the reason she got beat cause with her mindset, she really has no reason to follow the rules period unless their enforced magically meaning she's not as uber as people like to make her out to be, and as for the enforced part other Bosses in the series can ignore the rules but choose to acknowledge them and play by those rules aka Yukari and Shikieiki and either one of them can one shot Flandre easily), Remi is weaker then her little sister but is still the more powerful as she is very skilled and has experience with her abilities unlike "I lived in the basement for (I may have made an error here correct me if I'm wrong) 495 years" Flan, The most terrifying foe to fight is less the powerful and more the powerful WHO know how to fight and use their abilities correctly and skillfuly as Flandre edges were her power levels (she IS an EX Boss after all) and her cloning ability, she's more of a Savant then a true master as if she was, she'd go beyond a simple EX Boss (as in what Yukari is I forgot I think it was Phantasam her being the ONLY one in the series)
This is WHY I HATE TALKING Vs. with character's like Superman and ALOT of the Touhou characters, it's impossible to make a decision, With characters like Meiling and Batman (NOT using the utility belt ploy the worse half of our fandom love to do) it's easier to determine the results as their powers/abilities are understandable and easier to assess their fighting prowess, Uber's like Supes and Reimu are hard to assess as they keep pulling powers out their asses cause the plot says so (well in supes case they finally agreee what he has and doesn't have before they decided to just say fuck that let's give him what we want to give him" so I base him on the Supes that did have set of powers in that timeframe instead of being god mode sue and Reimu is powerful but I base that more on her being a born natural and her power connected to Gensyoko Barrier (Which is powered by a bloody almight Dragon God which I will say I'd like to see a who'd win, it or Darkseid one day) as once she fought someone who was the same, but had EXPERIENCE and was a hard worker over Brillent but lazy (Yorihime) she found herself actually facing a defeat for the first time in her life if not for Marisa and circimssatance (Damn auto correct isn't working so you get what I'm saying with certain mispells right?), It's why comparing I prefer Marisa over Reimu, she's strong but this comes from being a hard worker over just getting everything handed to her (Understandable because of her position, hell Reimu who be generic to me without her canon behaviour and her friendship and chemistry with Marisa, funny since that's my same thoughts with Supes relationship with The Batman), Hell I love those in Sakuya and Sanae power class when there done logically (They don't have Reimu unlimited power source which is the barrier, so there's no unlimited Time Stoping for Sakuya and no god mode sueing for Sanae since canon has her not being able to perform miracles on the spot, though she is magical strong and can invoke Kanako and Suwako who are in to close to Yukari's weight class in power, At least if we did a vs. involving Sanae it doesn't sound like we're pulling insane BS out our ass not saying anythng)
Sorry for the Rant 
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I'm talking more a...sniping situation. Flan could probably be very quiet...
Eiki would come to like him too much because he embodies the morals she wants to see in people...
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Quiet against the Guy with "Super sonic hearing" and Flandre who is rarely quiet Good Luck with that LOL
Your right but like I said she has no reason to go after him, You have to give a reason that qualify a Yama interfering in this fight (She and Reimu aren't exactly friend you know and even then she's a Rule lawyer)
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She could be if she really wanted to be. Besides, Patchy could distract him while Flan moves in. Supes is weak to magic, so a good paralysis spell should do it. Also, Sakuya can control time...And Mokou and Kaguya literally CAN'T be killed...
If someone were mind controlling Superman to be a killing machine, and Reimu, Marisa, and Yukari couldn't stop him, that would prompt Eiki to interfere, probably. If there are no other options...
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provided Patchy doesn't miscast (which fans normally forget that she is sickly and frail) and it has to hit (Super hearing helps since Supes is Largely around friendly magic users namely fallow Justice League member Zatana and his daughter Zataana to know when magical words are being invoke (Mumbo Jumbo but the first word would cause supes to become alarmed), Sakuya can stop time but as far as canon has given mostly for herself and her Knifes will bounce off of him (They can harm normal humans obivious and are a weakness (Silver) to a good amount of Youkai she does battle with in the games But their not magical, her stoping time would be useless unless she does it to fire a Gun with a bullet or throw a knife made of kryptonite at Supers at close range (Hey funny enough you got someone without even realizing it no less LOL) who could be a threat to Supes funny)
There are ALOT of threats that Eiki never gets involved with, A Yama is likely to interfere as long as what their involving themselves in is a Threat to the Afterlife and Souls (AKA The Yama's and Shinigami's opinion on Hermit's that are not Kasen (Which is in itself strange and adds fuel to the theories she an Oni which is funny as Oni hate lying though she might be of the same race as Seija from DDC only a more nicer member of that race still a pathological liar but less spiteful and mean about it and has better control in when to lie and when to not lie)
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Well, her potential was limited in the original game (shocking, I know, given that she is considered a massive difficulty spike) for just that reason, I think. Her asthma got in the way of reciting her spells. And as for Sakuya, I was thinking more stopping everything but her and Flandre, then having Flan make him go kyuu...But your idea would save a lot of time and planning. Stop time, steal kryptonite from Batman, stab Supes...
If it's someone like Darkseid (by the way, Darkseid versus Flan would play out like one of those western showdown quick draws) mind controlling Supes, then he wouldn't be above attacking the afterlife. Then, it would depend on if Darkseid himself intervened...
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Now Darkseid is another story, But than this is Superman vs Reimu I think we got off topic LOL
I still hold to the believe that Sakuya is not all powerful, To steal from Batman would be something worth of a good clap as you have to be Ra's F ING AL GAUL to succeed at that, and her time powers have a limit (There's a reason I like Marisa out of all the human MC's in Touhou and it's because she is described and kept at (Till a Rabid hater has her one shoting MEILING LIKE SHE'S NOTHING) a balanced level, No one as far as I've seen wants to admit Sanae Reimu, or Sakuya have any weaknesses or flaws in regards to their power and usuage, People take the long ass hallways in the SDM as testament to Sakuya power levels despite the fact it was a defensive measure against active intruders she did with the Space half of her powers and the fact Sakuya doesn't spam her power in mass (Time Stoping every second including when the Player is using her) gives me the idea that she does have a limit to how many times she can do it every once in awhile (Don't pull gameplay limit on me please, cause I save you the time and say SCREW THAT NOISE), I like Sakuya and Reimu, but the Fandom did what many past writers did to Superman and made me hate them cause they gave them way too many powers or worse Hype them to beyond real levels that I despise them, I prefer limits on my characters thank you (Meiling and Kogasa are both my #1 Fav Touhou characters, Marisa is on slippery ice because fans over hype her powers, she's strong yes, but what makes her awesome just like Batman is her human aspect, having her curb stomp powerful foes just because she beat them in Danmaku is just dumb as Danmaku is less about power and more about making beautiful patterns Your powers help too if you can apply them to the Danmaku (like Sakuya using her Time Stops for example and Patchy using her elemental spells with them, ETC), But otherwise there is no killing involved, I'd love to see them fight without the rules but that would be bloody wouldn't it (The human characters would REALLY need to reliy on their powers as their squishy LOL) Reimu Flying ability is nice but I hold to the belif she is powered by the barrier of their world which is why she's so broken, Take that aways and she'd still be strong, she'd just be getting a taste of her True limits, Plus Mary FUCKING Sue Yorihime kicked both her and Sakuya ass at once Marisa too but it was also Marisa good thinking that let her outwit Yorihime which really showed how much she's good as a character when her powers can't help her, Unlike Reimu who's too use to her plowing through enemies and Sakuya who was insane enough to OPEN THE WINDOW OF THEIR ROCKET SHIP WHILE IN SPACE TO LET IN A "DRAFT".
Whoops Ranted again sorry
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She would only have to use her time power twice; Once if Batman is in Gensokyo. Even then, she could just get a magician to make some kryptonite. I doubt any limit would be achieved. She'd only need about thirty seconds to five minutes at most. I'm pretty sure that's well in the realm of her power, even if she's using most of it to slow down aging. Oh, and I'm not one of those people who think she abuses Meiling...I like to think Meiling is a VERY light sleeper, only pretending to sleep when it's Marisa. After all, they let her intrude in the Mansion on purpose for a game of cat and mouse...
Keep in mind that those rules were made specifically so that someone like, say, Cirno, would not be curb stomped by...say, Eiki...
None of the denizens in Gensokyo have common sense. It's not just limited to the playable ones. Besides, Sakuya probably gets it from her mistress, who tried to cover the skies in scarlet mist to travel in the day, not caring that other creatures kind of need the Sun...
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Thank Heavens for that, I hate folks who take the Fandom interputation of a character TOO SERIOUSLY
Also Canon wise, Meiling is not blamed for Marisa intrusions since it's implied Marisa gets in through another means Meiling can't detect (She is STILL able to detect intruders when napping) and goes through the gate AFTER she's stolen Patchy's books.
It's Funny my only favorite group of all the Touhou factions are the SDM girls LOL
While your statement is good, we got WAY off topic, This is Reimu vs Superman, We really should not be adding anyone else, I know it's largely my fault for calling that one out though, But Reimu vs Superman is that question that will never be solved unless ZUN and DC decide to answer it together, Like who shot first Geedo or Han (FYI It was HAN LOL)
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Put it this way: My favorite character is Flandre Scarlet. Fanon portrays her as a bloodthirsty, apathetic psychopath who can't control her power and had to be locked up. Canon...makes you feel even MORE sorry for her, actually! She can control her power, but she doesn't know how to hold back. She was asked to stay in the basement for 495 years, and she did so because she loves her sister (at least the confinement is probably more to the Mansion as a whole now as long as Remi and Sakuya are there). She actually kind of likes it down there. She's actually very sweet, though she will be the annoying little sister to Remi if she wants to be...
She does? Well, that makes things even easier for my interpretation of Gensokyo. Well, that and I was apparently right about Meiling being a light sleeper. And hey, Marisa stealing the books gives Patchy an opportunity to practice her spells...
Oh, and it helps that I actually TRY to play the games even if
I suck at them...
SDM girls, Cirno, and Mokou for me...
Who bloody cares who shot first? It's not like it changes the entire movie. Now, Darth Vader with a pink lightsaber...THAT would have ruined it if it were intentional...
It'll probably never be answered, but it is fun to discuss these types of things...
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while I find fandom Flandre funny, I agree that I like Canon Flandre for the same reasons you stated
In truth this is my listing (#1 Meiling, #2 Sakuya, #3 Flandre, Patchy and Remillia share 4th as they kind of tick me off sometimes ESPECIALLY Patchy), Outside them I like Kogasa, Mokou and Kaguya (Their whole Grudge Match thing LOL), Keine and Eirin
I also don't care for the who shot first question, I was mocking it (My dad said he saw it when it first came out and said Han shot first, But he said it took mock the Rabid fanboys who live off of everything Lucas says and Lucas is an idiot who every time he opens his big mouth about something it starts another fan war cause he never learned to be subtle)
I hate Fan Wars, A show I use to watch called ICarly made an episode dedicated to mocking them and specifically the Fandumb who fight them over pairings especially Dumb Fans who ignore Word of God, worse by the fact it's a pairing war of characters (who are the word of god) of a live action web cam show. I understand debates but really I expect politicians to act like children not fans "sigh" sad.
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Fanon Flan does indeed have her moments, but I like to think that such an adorable little girl would be...not like fanon depicts her...
Flandre, Sakuya (even if she's overestimated by most, she's STILL a ninja maid who can CONTROL TIME and is unwaveringly loyal to Remi...Not just because RemiSaku is the closest thing I have to an OTP), tie between Remi and Patchy (charismatic/bratty fate-controlling vampire and sister to Flandre, and a badass bookworm who most people like to some degree at least), Mokou (fire power, you feel sorry for her), Cirno (really is the strongest fairy, but she's not quite as dumb as some think. That and she is lovable in how she is), and Meiling (fighter in Chinese dress; loyal to Remi, friends with Sakuya) in that order for me. I also like Kagerou (I like wolves, including werewolves) and others...
I take it he really didn't like the prequels then. Ironically, Episode 3 was my favorite Star Wars movie. Looking back, it is kind of...stupid at points, but I still love it...
Ugh. iCarly. I remember back when I thought that show was awesome. And I regret to say...but I was a shipper in that at one point. More mature than the fans in the episode of course (I wasn't sending death threats to Creddie shippers, if that counts. Ugh, I can't believe I was one of them at one point), but still...At least that show ended with satisfying neither side of it. At least Drake and Josh was genuinely good...Let's just say...iCarly pulled an arc where one of the shippings came true for a bit out of their asses. No buildup whatsoever...
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Oh yeah forgot about Kangerou, She's one of my new favorites from DDC (To the point she's tied with Kogasa as my #2 Fav, I have love for third stage bosses apparently LOL), Including the mermaid and Seija (The one who flips things around, her lying is the reason DDC incident started in the first place)
Actually other than a few things We actually Liked the Prequels well more of EP3 than the others (That and now I know who to blame for why the emperor rose to power other than the Jedi, Jar Jar FUCKING Binks, Not knowing his fate after EP3 agitates me)
Sadly stopped watching ICarly after the second appearace of that Stalker CHick but happy to know it did that like my favorite show "30 Rock" ended, Tina said Jack and Liz would NEVER get together and she meant it, Good show ended in an expected good way
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Yes. And Seija is no oni. Amanojaku are apparently unrelated to oni in Gensokyo. Her power of flipping certainly makes her fight harder than it needs to be. Hey, I'm just glad I get to play as Sakuya in DDC...
But Qui-Gon was the one who saved Jar-Jar, so Qui-Gon was responsible for dooming the galaxy! And you do know Jar-Jar's fate. In Force Unleashed, you get to see him frozen in carbonite. Look it up, preferably with a spare set of pants. You'll need them...
Yes...only Sam and Freddie dated for a while. The arc...came out of nowhere, pretty much. Oh, and iCarly kind of...degenerated in quality as it got older...
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I know about that, Touhou wise they do though (more to create a counterpart to the oni basically in universe)
So true and yes I saw the Statue, I don't like to think much of Force Unleashed though, Okay story but not much else to say
Why you think I stopped around the second appearance of the Stalker Chick 
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I...see...
I liked what I played of the DS version and what I saw of the other versions...
Ah. I see. I really don't watch TV much anymore. Last show I cared about was Sherlock...
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Check out 30 Rock if you can find it the show was bloody genius and very funny
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And if you haven't, you should check out Sherlock sometime...
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Eventually (Haven't watch TV in years really, Try to find it on DVD) (I'm an internet addict as you can see LOL, My TV exists either for the News or my Video games, I'm largely on my laptop like I am now, so any show I've watch lately is from DVD or HULU on my Lap), Playing Black Flag a few hours ago and loving it
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Ah. I'd recommend watching Sherlock with Netflix, though I'm not sure if Series 3 is available via Netflix...
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which Sherlock or Assassin Creed IV Black Flag cause I just watch Ep 1 of Sherlock, It's interesting, going to watch the rest tomorrow, If Black Flag Damn hell its not good, It's Awesome (Fighting two Brigs in a Storm was just incredible, challenging and fun)
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I was talking about Sherlock...
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pity, I thought you might have played it
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I'm not much of an Assassin's Creed fan...
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