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IizaMuggyhealer In reply to TheLoneStarrk [2016-02-15 23:59:20 +0000 UTC]

lol Stark loses

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YaniitheWindDemon In reply to 345rv5 [2013-10-29 22:00:47 +0000 UTC]

Constan fire Cero Metrallet or the cero wolves simply force Tobi's intangibility over it's time limit. I suppose Tobi would lose to Starrk on his own, though Starrk has to work hard for that victory. And of course with the juubi in his body the tables are turned and he can win this match without breaking a sweat.

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345rv5 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-10-29 23:26:41 +0000 UTC]

Yeah or Obito can just use Kaumi and take his head off before he can even attack it simply burn him to a crisp with his fireball jutsus.

Stark's Ceros and wovles aren't anywhere near as numerous as Konan's 600 billion bombs, if anything  Obito can  dodge it with no problem.Hell with his Rinnegan, he tanks it easily with asborpiton.

Obito can control Bjuus who shit on Starrk's power and that's without Rinnegan. Pre Rinnegan Obito can control Kurama with genjutsu and Kurama shits on any Espada,all Obito needs to do is genjutsu Stark into shooting himself in the head and game over.

No one in Bleach can beat Obito. Base Obito is at least Shikai Yamamoto/Hoyguku Aizen(minus moster form) level,. Rinnegan Obito shits on Monster Aizen and is easily Yamamoto's Bankai level and Juubito solos Bleachverse.  Starrk isn't a  threat to Obito at all. 

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YaniitheWindDemon In reply to 345rv5 [2013-11-11 22:07:47 +0000 UTC]

Oh, do you really expect Obito's lowly fireballs do any damage to Starrk even if he can hit him which he obviously can't.

Yes, you're right, nowhere as nomerous that's correct. But you seem to forget something more important quality over quantity... use your head before bashing with random numbers and thinkig it means shit cuz it clearly doesn't. Since when does he has such speed as Kyouraku? The Uchiha kid could only dream of being able to dodge the Cero Metralletta, also I'd say that about 15-20 wolves should be enough to take him down. Starrk eats base Obito alive. Only the fact that he had to rely on intangibility to survive against Konan's traps shows how pathetic he is. That's just a kid's toy firework in Bleach quarters, heck now matter how many are there, Starrk doesn't even need to lift a finger agains such poor tricks. His hierro would withstand the explosions with no more than some scrtatch and that's without Los Lobos.
The rinnegan's absorption ability you say? Even Naruto tanked it with nature chakra against Pein. While Starrk's power doesn't even originates from chakra so there is no proof that it can be absorbed by Rinnegan at all. Since chakra has spiritual aspect as explained in early chapters I'd say about 70% chance that he can actually absorb reiryoku. But what then? In that case Obito is screwed even more. A human soul can't sustain arrancar reiryoku, he would just explode into reishi and game over. Do I need to remind you what happanned with Aizen's early experiments?

Bijuus shit on Starrk? Hell, wake me up when that happens. Shukaku is no more than an extra ugly gillian. K, their power increases gradually with the number of their tails but the Hachibi is the first who can even force Starrk to resurrección. He could take all the Bijuus by himsfelf in one-on-one, even one after the other without break. Well of course this only stands for the branch from Shukaku to Kurama, the Juubi is a different case, that's naturally way beyond Starrk.
"genjutsu Stark into shooting himself" o.O? Seriously, since when does Obito's sharingan has any genjutsu ability other than making a Bijuu berserk? Same goes for ripping off Starrk's head. Keep the space warping for the left eye, and that belongs to Kakashi since a while now. Obito can play with his little pocket dimension as he pleases but that's all.

Base Obito is just a little warm-up for Starrk, Rinnegan Obito is a good challange but beatable, and yup, Starrk can't do shit against Juubito that's the whole story.


Oh c'mon, Obito can't even touch Yamamoto without the Juubi and Aizen could take his final form down even a century ago. Kyouka Sugetsu's illusions are not genjutsu so he can't negate it's existence which means he is soo~ F-U-C-K-E-D. And you say he can take on monster Aizen... even in his direct post-crysalis form Aizen could terminate people's existence just by walking by ... off course he has his chakra to protect him from such thing to happen, but even as Juubito the spiritual aspect of his chackra could be around the espada's reiatsu level at the most, and heck base Aizen could pralyize Grimmjow with his reiatsu, Obito would share is fate if Aizen decides to descend into his level.
Juubito has insanely powerful abilities, numerous beyond everything in Bleachverse but still, his body as generally for Naruto chars compared to Bleach is very fragile. Even Juubito is no thougher than the hierro of a numeros-class arrancar... though with regeneration abilities beyond Ulquiorra's to be fair but that doesn't mean shit if he gets a hole lager than his body.
Truth be told several Bleach chars could take him down in his final form on their own if they proceed with caution and don't get caugth in a TBB. And they have the speed to do so. K, don't come again with that noone in Bleachverse outpaces the Juubi's TBB, cuz I already know it's true, but also it's not that simple. The TBB has a quite long charge time, Kamishini no Yari could kill Juubito atleast 10 times during that just for ex. Also there is the trigger time as the greatest weak point... there is a significant time after you pull the trigger of a gun until it fires a bullet, same applies here. When the trajectory is set but the TBB is yet to fire someone with captain-level-shunpo/sonido/hirenkyaku can dodge the Juubi's TBB. Probably the only person in Bleach who can dodge an already fired juubi TBB is Aizen in his last 2 forms, since he gained the teleportation ability with the butterfly form. Butterfly and Monster Aizen and Dangai Ichigo are the only ones showed so far who can even continue to fight after a hit by the Juubi's TBB, so they could bring down Juubito for sure.
So Juubito ain't no big guy enough to take on Bleach, but I just come to think of it... Madara and Obito are returned from halfway to hell so in Bleach terms they are considered togabito and that's some bad news for them, since with this they practically summon the most overpovered Bleach character so far, yup, I'm talking about Deathberry's SkullClad form, with that Narutoverse is doomed. Heck, HellKnight Ichigo could take down Juubito, Madara and that ugly weed with one swing, now that's some annihilation.
Naruto < Bleach < Yuu Yuu Hakusho < Dragon Ball Z; Deal with it.

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345rv5 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-11-12 03:12:24 +0000 UTC]

I already send you a note with all the info debunking all your bullshit  so i'm just going to leave you with some statistics on how weak Bleach is compared to Naruto nowadays.

Obito Uchiha

Destructive Capacity :  Small Island  level base( Can tame Kurama with Sharingan, fought on par with Minato, shoots fireballs as big as Madara's )  Large Island level with Rinnegan( Can hold his own with BM Naruto and Killer Bee, can control 7 Bjuus at once ) Multi continent level + as Juubito ( Far stronger than Juubi whose able to casually level countries and  can spam 4 Giant bjuudamas at once)

Speed :  Massively Hypersonic ( Kept up with Minato, Naruto and Madara who are faster than Raikage whose  faster than lightning within Ration Armor v2 )  sub-relativistic+   going by the scaling of the speed of Juubi's Bjuudama being Mach 23,000+ by this calcwww.narutoforums.com/blog.php?…

Durability:  At least City level  base ( withstood and survived a Rasengan from Minato whose at least as powerful as Sage Naruto who beat Kurama, should be more durable than Pein) Large Island level with Rinnegan( tanked BM Naruto's Rasengan which is stronger than the casual striking strength Naruto used to bounce back 5 Bjuudamas effortlessly) Multi continent level + as Juubito  ( Far more durable than Juubi which can tank it's own casual country level Bjuudamas

Strentgh:  Class TJ+( Should be stronger than Pein)  Class EJ+  with Rinnegan (  Kept up Bjuu Mode Naruto ) Class YJ with his Chakra Arms as Juubito

Juubi /Gedo Mazo

Destructive Capacity :  At least Large Island level ( can restrain all 5 Tailed Beasts with it' Chakra Chains and fight on par with RM Naruto and a fully transformed Killer Bee ) Small Country level in first form ( capable of overpowering multiple Tailed Beast Balls from Gyūki and Kurama without losing momentum; all while still destroying six of Kurama's tails and causing a trail of destruction across the landscape ) Country level + (powerful enough to destroy many mountain ranges, entire cities or the Allied Forces HQ with a single blast each, despite them being at a far off location )  Large Country level using Cataclysm,  Continent level using  Giant Bjuudama, Multi Continent level within Tree state, Moon level in complete state ( Kurama stated that it was a god that created countries and had the power to swallow oceans, split the land, and carry mountains and made believable due to the fact an incomplete Juubi is already a potential life wiper )

Speed : Massively Hypersonic via reaction speed (  bltized Killer Bee and Naruto ))  sub-relativistic+   going by the scaling of the speed of Juubi's Bjuudama being Mach 23,000+ by this calcwww.narutoforums.com/blog.php?…

Durabilty : At least Country level ( Tanked a full power Bjuudama from Killer Bee and Naruto) Continent level in stronger forms

Strength : Class EJ +, possibly Class ZJ in higher forms

Naruto Uzumaki (Current State )

Destructive Capacity :  At least Multi Block level  physically in base, Town level with Massive Rasengan and Rasenshiruken. City level Physically, Small island level with Massvie Rasengan Barrage or Rasenshiruken( Can damage and defeat Kurama) Small Island level using RM form( Can keep up with Bjuus ) Large Island level with Bjuu Mode  at 50 %( Easily overpowered 5 Bjuus and produced a massive exploison dwarfing a mountain range ) Small Country level with Bjuu Mode at 50+ Post Bjuus fight (Can  output a massive Bjuudama with Killer Bee)  Country level with  100% Kurama power ( Stronger than he was without it)   Continent level inm Kurama Sage Naruto( Can keep up with Juubito )Multi continent level + using  Prefect Senjutsu Sunasoo+Kurama Sage fusion with Sasuke( Defeated Juubito)
 

 Speed: Hypersonic ( At least Mach 10 in base) Massively Hypersonic in Sage Mode( Kept up with Pein whose Mach 140 and dodged Thrid Raiakge's Nukite) At least Massively Hypersonic in RM Mode ( Bltized Foruth Raikage's fastest punch which is between Mach 300 to 500 going by V2 making Raikage faster than lightning)  At least Massively Hypersonic Speed ( Should be much faster in this state given he blitzed 5 Bjuudamas fired from Juubi's at near point blank range before they hit Kakashi and Gai )sub-relativistic+   in Kurama Sage Mode( Can keep up with Juubito)

Durability : Muilt City Block level+ (Tanked Attacks from Kakuzu and regular Shrina Tenseis from Pein) City level ( withstood attacks from Kurama and Third Raikage )  Small Island level in RM form ( Weaker forms of Naruto's Bjuu transformations tanked Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei, should be as durable as a normal Bjuu ) Large Island level in BM form 50% (Casually tanked Bjuudamas from 5 Bjuus without a scratch )Country level  BM +Other Bjuus chakra (tanked the Juubi's Bijudama Beam with minimal damage and withstood Second Form Juubi's strongest attack while protecting the whole alliance  with moderate injures and was still standing)Continent level in Kurama Sage Naruto( Can withstand Juubito's attacks )Multi continent level + using  Prefect Senjutsu Sunasoo+Kurama Sage fusion with Sasuke( Should be more durable than Juubito)

Strentgh:Class MJ + (via powerscaling)  base,  Class TJ+  Sage mode,   Class EJ+  via powerscaling in RM Mode, at least Class EJ+ (smacked five Bijudama several kilometers away, stronger than KN8 which clawed its way out of Island level Chibaku Tensei) possibly Class ZJ in Kurama+Sage Mode

Yamamoto

Destructive Capacity :  City level base (stronger than R2 Ulquiorra , two shotted Wonderwesis with his barehands) Small  Island level using Shikai, Island level with  Ennetsu Jigoku (Can destroy an area ten times the area of Karakura Town ) Small Country level(his attack power his far more efficient in this state, as he concentrates his full power, as opposed to the AoE attacks of his Shikai) Country level if if his bankai goes out of control, killing him and destroying Soul Society.

Speed :Massively  Hypersonic + (was able to easily outpace Ukitake and Kyoraku despite them having a head start, and arrive at their destination before them all without them noticing, Ukitake himself was previously shown capable of blitzing Byakuya Kuchiki and Kyoraku was able to fight evenly with Coyote Starrk )

Durabilty : Small Country level+ (possibly higher, withstood the power of his own Ennetsu Jigoku being released at point-blank range after Wonderweiss absorbed it and subsequently exploded, though he was in no fighting condition afterwards) Small Country level in Bankai vias powerscaling.

Strentgh : Class PJ( Stronger than Ulquorria) Class EJ powerscaling in Bankai

Hashirama Senju

Destructive Capcity: At least City level (Can hold his own with Hiruzen)At least Small island  level with normal Mouktons, Island  level+ via Wood Dragon and 5 layer Rasohomen, at least Small Country level with Massive wooden Buuhda ( Drwafs Kyuubi Sunasoo in size )

Speed : Massively Hypersonic ( able to easily react to Madara's massively hypersonic Sunasoo sword slash and the massive Bjuudama moving at the speed of a meteor)

Durabilty : At least City Level ,Island  via powerscaling.

Strentgh : Class EJ via powescaling 

Killer Bee 

Destructive Capacity: Multi city block level base ( Blocked Sugiestu's town handed balde strike like it was nothing, easily overpowered base Sasuke )   Town level  base  fighting  seriously  ( Can  withstand and overpower  V1 Ration Armor A's Lairat ) At least Town level V1 (smashed apart a large plateau by tackling it, as well as heavily damaging the one closest to it in the process) City level V2 ( Crtically injuired Kisame who has Town to City level level Durability ) island level within Full Bjuu via powerscaling (  Can keep up with BM Naruto and overpower Several Bjuus  by himself) Small Country level with Bjuudama ( is as powerful as Naruto with 50% Kurama's power)

Speed: At least hypersonic base ( Bltized TS Sasuke who's at least Mach 13 ) At least High Hypersonic V1 ( Bltized Sharrigan Sasuke ) At least Massively Hypersonic V2 ( Bltized base Kisame ) Hypersonic ( Much slower than V2 but has fast reactions )

Durability: Multi city block level base ( Blocked Sugiestu's town handed balde strike like it was nothing, easily overpowered base Sasukek, tanked Juggo's CS1 punch effortleslly ) Town level V1 (smashed apart a large plateau by tackling it, as well as heavily damaging the one closest to it in the process)City level V2 .Small Country level( Surrived Juubi's frist form Bjuudama

Strength: Class GJ base, Class TJ V1(can smash apart large plateaus by smashing into them at full speed) Class PJ V2, At least Class EJ via size and powerscaling

Madara Uchiha

Destructive Capacity : Town level base form (Was able to guard himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour without being protected by Susanoo . Produced a powerful flame blast enough to burn even Tsunade while she had the Strength of a Hundred Technique still active, capable of easily overpowering Might Guy despite his taijutsu mastery ) At least City level + with Susanoo's ribcage (withstood Sage Naruto's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan, Onoki's Earth Moving Core and A's Lightning Oppression Horizontal Chop with no damage ) Mountain level with Incomplete Sunasoo (Summoned a massive meteor capable of city level destruction ) Mountain level +  Small island level with Complete Sunasoo ( Each clone is as powerful as a Kage ) Large Island level via Final Sunasoo casually ( was able to repel and corner all five of the current Kage, while simultaneously demolishing a large portion of the mountain range behind them with a single sword swing ) Possibly Small Country level at full power( can cause widespread destruction across an entire landscape with prefect Sunsaoo+Kyuubi )

Speed : Massively Hypersonic ( able to easily dodge Gaara's high-speed sand attacks, Mei's close range Lava Release attack, and even guard himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour )

Durabilty : Town level base form (Was able to guard himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour without being protected by Susanoo . At least City level + with Susanoo's ribcage (withstood Sage Naruto's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan, Onoki's Earth Moving Core and A's Lightning Oppression Horizontal Chop with no damage ) Small Island Level with Incomplete Sunasoo ( Surrived Tsunade's massive punch just long enough to create a clone to avoid being sealed )Large Island  level via powerscaling.

Strentgh : Class TJ (With a single roundhouse kick, he was able to repel a shinobi twice his size into an oncoming group of shinobi, knocking them all off their feet, able to clash with the likes of Tsunade, Raikage and Naruto ) Class PJ with weaker Sunasoos, Class EJ with Final Sunasoo ( Casually leveled 3 mountains with a single slash )

Ichigo ( Post Dangai  training )

Destructive Capacity: Mountain level + with casual slashes within Dangai state , Island  level with Mugestu .

Speed: Massively Hypersonic( Should be faster than Gin's Mach 500 Bankai)

Durability: Mountain level + casually within Dangai state ( Cacthed Aizen's sword barehanded and withstood a Fraggor with minor injuires .Also shattered Hado 90 from Aizen effortlessly ) , Island level with Mugestu .

Strength: Class EJ ( Effortlessly level a mountain, threw Aizen several dozen miles with a single flick of his wirst ) 

Sosuke Aizen

Destructive Capacity: Muilt Block level base( one shotted Ichigo in Bankai),  Town level with Shikai( Casually outclassed Captains and outclassed Harribel in release form) City level in Bankai via powerscaling, City level within Chrysalis Form( Outclassed Ishsin, Yoruichi and Isshin within Shikai states) Mountain to Small Island level  within Second Form & Third Forms , Island level with in Monster Aizen form( On par with Dangai Ichigo) Possibly Small Country level with Bankai+Monster form

 Speed: Hypersonic + (faster than Byakuya ) ,  Massively  Hypersonic+  in Hoyguku forms

Durability: Muilt Block level base( stopped Ichigo's Bankai with one finger and Komamura's Shikai with just his base sword ),  Town level with Shikai( tanked Ichigo's Masked Getsuga with barely a scratch and being thrown through cityblocks by Isshin's finger flick  ) City level in Bankai via powerscaling, City level within Chrysalis Form( withstood attacks from characters like Isshin , Yoruichi and Urahara ) Mountain to Small Island level  within Second Form & Third Forms( survived attacks from Dangai Bankai Ichigo  which can causally level mountains) island level with in Monster Aizen form( (regeneration also makes him hard to kill, survived Dangai Ichigo's Mugetsu) Possibly Small Country level with Bankai+Monster form via powerscaling

Strength: GJ in base, TJ  within Shikai,  PJ in Bankai/Chrysalis Form, Class EJ in strogner forms ( Can clash with Ichigo in Dangai Bankai)

Sakura Haruno ( Current state)

Destructive Capacity :At least City level  ( should be as strong as Tsunade using her full power ) Island level via powerscaling using White Seal (  should to keep up with RM Naruto and EMS Sasuke, casually smashed and uplifted a small mountains worth of rock, physically outclasses Tsunade) Potentially Large Island to Small Country level via powerscaling using the full extent of White Seal

Speed: Hypersonic +,  Massively Hypersonic with her seal

Durability  :At least City level  ( should be as durable as Tsunade) Island level via powerscaling using White Seal (  rengeratiuon makes her her hard to kill ) Potentially Large Island to Small Country level via powerscaling using the full extent of White Seal

Strentgh : Class TJ, Class EJ using her seal

Ulquorria

Destructive Capicity: At least Muilt Block level, small town level with Cero in base, Town level in  R1 , City level  in R2

Speed: Hypersonic in base, At least Massively Hypersonic in release forms

Durability: At least Muilt Block level in base, Town level in  R1 , City level  in R2

Strentgh: At least Class GJ+, TJ with R1, PJ with R2

Starrk 

Destructive Capacity: At least Muilt Block level, small town level with Cero in base, Town level in  R1 ,

Speed: Hypersonic in base, At least Massively Hypersonic in release forms

Durability: At least Muilt Block level in base, Town level in  R1 

Strength: At least Class GJ+, TJ with R1

See how  vastly outclassed Starrk is  now ? 

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xlab3000 In reply to 345rv5 [2014-07-03 07:33:49 +0000 UTC]

Yeah Obito wins big time.

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345rv5 In reply to xlab3000 [2014-07-03 14:37:13 +0000 UTC]

Starrk was never a good match against Obito given Obito's Kamui hax, Aizen opn the other hand could be a challenge to Pre Juubi Obito with his Hoyguku and Kyoka Suigestu.

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zXThedeathoflovexZ In reply to 345rv5 [2014-08-24 20:22:00 +0000 UTC]

Madara posses no spirit energy so he can't see Starrk. Done. Starrk wins. 

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345rv5 In reply to zXThedeathoflovexZ [2014-08-25 01:01:08 +0000 UTC]

Seriously, you Bleachtards are STILL using this heavily debunked argument in 2014?Kiego and Tatsuki can see Starrk, Madara is WAY STRONGER THAN THEM ! You're argument is invaild. Also Chakra=Sprit Enegry moron.

Besides, Madara can easily do this to a mountain range, show me Starrk casually mountain busting.
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/…

Also you're aware this is Tobi vs Starrk, not Madara vs Starrk right ?

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pucflek In reply to gonzo22 [2015-12-12 17:45:18 +0000 UTC]

Starrk has greater physical strenght, more juice for performing his skills and greater AoE attacks and durability. Obito can phaseshift, regenerate any nonlethal injury, kill with a gaze if you stand long enough. Most of his techniques would not work on Starrk, but i believe that, when he was briefly jinchuuriki, he could beat Starrk. Fairly easily at that probably. 

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to gonzo22 [2013-08-15 03:31:14 +0000 UTC]

Tobi has intangibility, Starrk has speed. Tobi has ninjutsu, Starrk has cero wolves. Tobi & Starrk can use massive AOE attacks.

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gonzo22 In reply to ScarecrowsMainFan [2013-08-15 03:34:37 +0000 UTC]

so who do you think would win?

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to gonzo22 [2013-08-15 03:36:48 +0000 UTC]

Well, recent chapters have really showcased a lot of Tobi's potential, so I guess I'd have to vote for him.

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345rv5 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2014-08-25 01:03:10 +0000 UTC]

Still wanking Starrk above Obito depsite the fact Starrk wouldn't even be able to touch base Obito and get rapestomped by obito who can control Kurama  and Kurama>Aizen

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Uzumaki1632 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-10-27 15:51:43 +0000 UTC]

Actually Kubo himself admitted that Aizen knew of Ulquiorra's SE but still placed him as the 4th Espada which proves that he's not the most powerful Espada (Kubo's word trumps any argument here) so Starrk is indeed stronger...

Though Starrk would probably win he it would be by the skin of his teeth.

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YaniitheWindDemon In reply to Uzumaki1632 [2013-10-29 21:47:11 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I knew that. But just think about it Kubo only said Aizen knew about Ulquiorra's second release, he didn't said that he is weaker than Starrk. From what I've seen in the manga, Ulquiorra's SE is way more powerfull than Harribel and Barragan, so the numbers are already wrong here. As for Starrk it's a bit more complicted to say so since he lost his resolve nearing the end of his battle with Kyouraku so he had more in him than what he showed but I still think he is somewhat weaker than Ulquiorra. Despite knowing his full potential giving a number for Ulquiorra based only on his initial release to deceive the shinigami and even the other arrancar is actually fits into Aizen's personality almost perfectly and I think that's the case here.

As for Starrk and Tobi, the recent chapters show that Obito with the juubi under controll would win this without effort, but on his own I still say he would lose to Starrk, but that would be a close match.

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Uzumaki1632 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-10-29 22:14:58 +0000 UTC]

Only knowing about his SE is more than enough.

Just because he appears more powerful to us doesn't necessarily prove that he's stronger than Harribel and Barragan. Apparently Aizen and Ichigo could destroy mountains even when those "mountains" appeared to be much smaller than actual mountains.

It's simple logic: If Ulquiorra was stronger than Harribel and Barragan Aizen would've ranked him as such.

As for the deception idea: You seem to have forgotten that the shinigami did not know what numbers each Arrancar, the Espada included, were assigned right up until they actually fought them so their was no need to deceive an enemy when they were already in the dark about the number arrangements. Ulquiorra's number wasn't revealed until shortly before Ichigo's final rematch with Grimmjow and only Ichigo, and maybe Orihime, would've known what his number was. And would Aizen want to go to such lengths to hide the extent of Ulquiorra's power when he only planned to have Ulquiorra reveal his SE only once when he was to fight Ichigo for the last time.

In any case if your idea was valid wouldn't Ulquiorra have been assigned an even lower number than 4?

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YaniitheWindDemon In reply to Uzumaki1632 [2013-10-31 17:00:22 +0000 UTC]

Yes, that's right, our eyes can decieve us so it's har to say who is actually stronger. But still... Ulquiorra's Lanza del Lerampago has about the same destructive power as Soi Fon's Jakuhou Raikoben but does not wear him out so much which means he could tank Barragan.

Yeah, seems to be too much fuss over nothing if you put it that way and that may actually be true. But I rather think of this as a whim, not as an important part of Aizen's plan. He likes to toy with people around him. Ulquiorra's relatively low rank is not only important as psychological warfare against Ichigo but it's also an important element of the Ulquiorra vs Grimmjow conflict which was necessary to get to Ichigo vs Grimmjow finale and also watching his suborditates fighting among each other is a cheap source of fun for Azien and probably even Gin. And being somewhat eckless and arrogand, Grimmjow is not a total dumbass, he wouldn't attack Ulquiorra the way he did if he was the primera, that's just too huge gap for him to cover and he knows that. Also among the lines of the espada, Ulquiorra was alway Aizen's right hand, not Starrk, but that's really not much, probably because of their personalites, Ulquiorra isclearly the most loyal fo all the arrancar and is also smart and powerful enough even if not the stronest. Besides the main protagonist beating the strongest of the arrancar seems a quite logical archetype for me, but there is no actuall proof for this theory, it's jut clean, simple and logical, almost too nice to not be true though can't be probed at all, just one of my stupid ideas XD

Well his actual number fits well in the line while in sealed statate and initial release, also as I mentioned before, Ulquiorra having hiher rank than Grimmjow but still not being the primera was important.

Anyway I think of this theory as something I can't prove but I also doubt someone can convience me it can't be true. Still it's no wonder if you don't believe in my theory and I don't say you're wrong, it's just convinient for me to think about them this way.

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Uzumaki1632 In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-10-31 17:39:17 +0000 UTC]

Not really; Soifon's bankai barely did any damage even when Barragan was trapped in Hachi's barrier and it did 0 damage the first time around. Since Barragan would probably be able to use his Respira to age the LL like he did Soifon's missile and Hachi's barrier he could easily counter Ulquiorra.

The problem with your theory, however, is that it only works if Ichigo had known Ulquiorra's rank well beforehand; he did not. Besides you can't say that Aizen did to get some entertainment during the final battle between Ichigo and Ulquiorra when Aizen wasn't even there to witness the battle. He got that enjoyment when Ichigo arrived at the FKT.

Also please explain how the "conflict" between Ulquiorra and Grimmjow had was of any importance during the final battle between Ichigo and Grimmjow? You could've easily had that battle without this "conflict."

Once again it was only important because Aizen wanted Ulquiorra to fight Ichigo so he made Ulquiorra the 4th Espada due to his power and so he could have him defend Las Noches while he, Gin, Tosen, and the top three Espada could fight in the FKT. Also Starrk was so powerful he could easily kill hollows just by standing near them and he was already an Arrancar before meeting Aizen yet he was still made the 1st Espada which speaks volumes to his power.

Fair enough. Let's just agree to disagree.

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anivalo In reply to YaniitheWindDemon [2013-05-15 09:36:24 +0000 UTC]

Your argument won me over.

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to gonzo22 [2012-12-15 16:09:55 +0000 UTC]

Not sure. We have yet to see the full extent of Tobi's power.

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to ShadowWalker3 [2012-09-21 01:21:31 +0000 UTC]

Well, let's assume for the sake of this battle, they can see souls. And wouldn't Tobi be able use his phasing ability to avoid Starrk's attacks?

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ShadowWalker3 In reply to ScarecrowsMainFan [2012-09-21 03:38:08 +0000 UTC]

He can only do it for so long, that is if he gets the chance to even move, do to Starrk's wonderfully fast sonido.

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to ShadowWalker3 [2012-09-21 09:42:51 +0000 UTC]

IDK, Starrk's kinda lazy. I doubt he'd try to go for the first blow. And if he ever makes eye contact, BOOM! Hypnosis.

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ShadowWalker3 In reply to ScarecrowsMainFan [2012-09-21 14:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Tobi never showed any signs of being able to use the Tsukiyomi. Nor does Obito, maybe because he only has one Mangekyo sharingan eye. Get your facts straight.

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to ShadowWalker3 [2012-09-21 15:06:29 +0000 UTC]

No, but he can perform the Izanagi technique. When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence.

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ShadowWalker3 In reply to ScarecrowsMainFan [2012-09-21 17:04:16 +0000 UTC]

Only once, then his ass is half blind. And it's a defensive move. Doesn't do anything to Starrk.

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