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EnglishBe absolutely honest, if you know the bible you know it has explicit content. It has nudity, sexual themes including: fornication, sodomy, grupal sex, incest; it has violence: torture, mutilation, stoning, lynching, homicide, suicide, genocide, fratricide, infanticide and almost everything that ends in "cide". I don't think (honestly) that children should be exposed to this material until they're old enough to "understand" it. However, I've never seen a warning label on the cover of the bible...
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Sean absolutamente honestos, si conocen la biblia saben que tiene contenido explícito. Tiene desnudez, temas sexuales que incluyen: fornicación, sodomía, sexo grupal, incesto; tiene violencia: tortura, mutilación, lapidamiento, linchamiento, homicidio, suicidio, homicidio, fraticidio, infanticidio y casi todo lo que termina en "cidio". No creo (honestamente) que los niños debieran ser expuestos a este material hasta ser lo suficientemente maduros para entenderlo. Sin embargo nunca vi una advertencia en la tapa de la biblia...
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good for you. what do you want me to tell you? it's late, I´m tired and I've lost interest hours ago
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don't you have something better to do than crapping your pants over a piece of ART?
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jajajaja
Completamente cierto. La falta de sensura de la biblia es el ejemplo perfecto de hipocresía.
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haz lo que digo pero no lo que hago... siempre fueron así
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it's just so true. glad someone put in into a great concept like you did
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There are over 6 billion people on the planet. Ideas are bound to be repeated.
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You tell 'em Rosco.
Tell 'em til it hurts.
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I swear I didn't know. It happens most of times, like when they invented the telephone. That's why the word "coincidence" was invented!
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X'D that is very clever.
Although i think (i HOPE) that Christian kids only get in touch with the basics of Christian beliefs. I mean, i kind of never knew there was mention of explicit sex in the Bible until i was, like, 11 or something (and i'm raised Catholic). XD
But that's just me spoiling some fun (i think). Nice submission, makes us think. ;B
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but at 11 you can't watch movies that feature sex, can you? Thanx for the comment!
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IN FACT... i can. o_o; It's pretty weird to see titled things such as "SEX GAMES CANCUN" or "SO-&-SO SEX CHRONICLES" at 11pm on w/e Direct TV movie channels you have. o_o
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But that's not what's so offensive about it. People aren't offended by sexual themes, violence, etc; they're offended by God.
All the things you mentioned are indeed in the Bible, but if they weren't there, how would we learn from it? If it were just mindless fluff, every Christian would grow up thinking the world is a beautiful place without sin or bad happenings. Then suddenly, they're face-to-face with the worst of it and not prepared spiritually or emotionally. The reason it's in the Bible is so we learn what not to do, what causes harm and suffering to humanity and how to be vigilant and fight against such things, and to give hope that there is something better at the end of all of this.
I know you're trying to be clever with this deviation, but sorry... you've missed the mark completely with me.
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Ok, so we don't agree. I respect your opinion. I can understand that the point is to make the reader of the bible a better person. But that is not the case most of the times. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, for instance, what's been happening in the middle east is not only about the oil, it's about religion. And that is just one case!
Besides, all I've said is that children are not mature enough to "understand" this type of material.
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The Bible is not as "explicit" as people seem to think. The reason there are ratings and mature content on movies because they are explicit! The Bible doesn't go into detail about how someone's head was chopped off, but a movie will gladly show every fiber of muscle being ripped through, veins being snapped, bones being hacked away at, etc. The reason the rating is there is so that a parent may see it and go: "hmm, this will probably give little Johnny nightmares".
And it's just so funny you think that art should not be censored in any way, yet children should not be allowed to read about the good morals in the Bible?
Do you think children should have absolutely no idea about war, sex, murder, and the realities of life until it smacks them straight in the face? If they grow up knowing there are bad things that can happen, they'll be more prepared for them, spiritually, emotionally. People don't give enough credit to children. You think they're not mature enough but the reason they're not "mature" is because they're not exposed to the realities of life!
I'm so sick of this politically correct, namby-pamby idiocy that is media directed toward children. Children have the amazing ability to adapt and learn and have more than enough mental capacity to understand gritty reality. But, it's important to teach it to them in a loving and stable environment, rather than accidentally let them watch something that's uncensored or wait until they see someone die horribly in real life.
And no, I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about "most of the time". Most of the time, it's people that are causing hurt and pain, not GOD. Where in the Bible does it say "Go forth and murder"? When has God given us the permission to kill innocent women and children, to hate each other and cause nothing but despair and suffering to mankind?
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I don't believe in god, so how can I be against something I don't believe in? I know how people is, and I know people wrote the bible, not "god".
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Now you're going into something I don't even want to talk about. Fine, if you don't believe in God. The argument here, fundamentally, is that you think the Bible contains "explicit" material, and is detrimental to a child's upbringing. Yet taking the mature label off video games, movies, nude photographs (many of which are as explicit as those found in porno mags), and the like isn't detrimental?
This is where I'm confused. You're making it sound like the Bible gives step by step accounts in visceral detail, the horror of murder and rape and such. The content of the Bible may be more "adult" in content, but it's not "graphic" or "explicit" as you claim it to be. Not compared to what children would be exposed to if censorship were taken off all forms of art.
And before, I was making the simple observation that sex, murder, rape, etc. is NOT what people get all bent out of shape for. Do you really think that the center of all the controversy: trying to prove the authenticity of the Bible, trying to prove the Big-Bang happened, trying to force a more worldly view onto society has ANYTHING to do with sex, murder and rape in the Bible? I'll give you a hint: (no).
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I'm only saying that they should use the same criteria for everything, either everything has warnings or nothing does.
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And that's your opinion. There are different levels of explicit and graphic. For example, super mario bros. vs grand theft auto IV.
Which one would you say is more explicit? In one game you jump on turtles and flip them up-side down. In the other game you are free to commit various crimes and you are rewarded for it. If you haven't played it, I suggest you do... the level of detail and the game-play is truly amazing.
But how could you say that both should be rated equally? Why should you even have to compare flipping turtle shells up-side down to playing a realistic first person shooter? They are NOT the same, and should NOT be rated with the same criteria. How could you let a six year old child become addicted to such graphic and adult games like GTA4? If there were no warning labels, any child could walk into a store and buy it, play it at a friend's house, and be influenced negatively.
What I'm saying is that there is a REASON for mature content labels. They are not there just to suppress freedom of speech or artistic expression.
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You do realize that in the Bible a man who offered his virgin daughters was considered worth saving. also by morals do you mean
" 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. " and the like?
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Well, the first paragraph is saying that they are both adulterers and adultery is a no-no. Notice the wording. He "sleeps" with her in the first paragraph, and she does not cry for help where there is obviously enough people to hear her. The fact that she did not cry for help implies it was consensual. The second clearly uses the word "RAPE" implying it was NOT consensual, she DID scream but no one was there to help her. Punish the rapist, not the victim.
And the third is pretty clear, I think. A man RAPES a virgin girl. In those days, a girl who was not a virgin at marriage was probably a whore. So the only viable solution to this is that the man should be forced to marry her, never divorce her and pay the family of the girl fifty shekels. What's the problem here?
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the solution to rape is to marry the man who rapes you? omg...
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No one else would marry her. That's the way things worked back then. There weren't Women's Rights groups, therapy groups, mothers against whatever....
If a girl wasn't "pure" as a bride, then it was pretty taboo to marry her. 
I mean, it would certainly be uncomfortable, but at least the woman would be provided for the rest of her life.
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Yes, we certainly have progressed, haven't we.
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What if she screamed out and no one heard her? What if the man wanted to have her as his wife? What if he threatened to kill her if she screamed?
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What? But... she didn't. The verse is alluding to adultery, and how it's a sin, and the difference between adultery and rape. It's not a set of rules that are specific to only this situation. God would obviously know the difference and if the girl were raped, she would say so to her family. The rapist would be put to death for his adultery and the girl would have to live with being defiled for the rest of her life. Actually, she WOULD cry out because to be defiled in such a way, especially in those days, was often worse than death. And many women coping with such a horror feel the same way, to this day.
And so what if the man wanted her as a wife? It's not his decision to make. She is already betrothed/engaged to another.
There's no grey area here. Rape is rape, adultery is adultery- both are sins and both should be duly punished.
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Now on the whole turning Lot's wife into salt thing, why the hell did god do that?
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Well, I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure. All I know is that the angels told Lot and his family to get the hell out of there, run for your LIFE, and don't look back unless you want to be consumed by the fire(molten brimstone, whatever it was God was throwing at the city).
And as they ran for their lives, the destruction of the city began. Lot's wife probably stopped to gaze upon the destruction of her home and city and was consumed by the molten brimstone and turned to ash.
But like I said, I wasn't there so I can only guess.
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OK, but what about the fact that he offered his virgin daughters to be violated and harmed brutally by the men of the city? Wouldn't something like that piss god off?
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Uh...
Lot lived in a place called Sodom. Guess where the word Sodomy came from? Yeah, it was a bad place. First of all, Lot's daughters weren't virgins. They both were married.
Two angels came to the city (this was right before God destroyed it) and Lot wanted to get them out of the streets, because they obviously didn't belong and probably would have been robbed, beaten and erm... sodomized. Lot knew his neighbors pretty well. After insisting they come into his home, the men you speak of came to the door and tried to break in to get to these new strangers. Lot instead offered his "virgin" daughters as a tempting distraction, to keep these two strangers out of harms way. Perhaps Lot knew they had been sent from God. God wasn't pissed with Lot at all... right after that the angels told Lot that the entire city would be destroyed and to get out. God promised no harm unto Lot and his family, if they got out immediately and didn't look back. Unfortunately, the sons-in-law didn't listen and were destroyed with the city. The old testament is sometimes hard to decipher because of the matter of fact way it is written.
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Well, the thing is that he was considered a moral person for that, and the fact that god couldn't just teleport him out is a bit odd.
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Nice. Teleportation.
If you'd like to continue this conversation, I would suggest doing so on our deviant pages, rather than this deviation. We seem to be running off topic now.
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I love how you need a book to tell you how to behave.
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No, I don't. Everyone is born with the inherent ability to know what's right and what's wrong. I choose to follow a certain lifestyle because it brings me joy, not harm. Never in my life has being a Christian caused me emotional despair; not to say that I've never been depressed or felt despair, but the teachings in the Bible have never been the cause of my despair. I don't read the Bible because I need to be reminded that "killing is bad", or that I need to be reminded how to live my life. I read the Bible because the teachings are up-lifting and boost morale when I'm surrounded by a world intent on bringing me down.
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Then you're wrong/lying about what you previously stated that the bible is there to teach you right from wrong.
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How so? First off, I'm not "lying". Second of all, you're completely misunderstanding me. I, individually, do not read the Bible to drive the "good message" into my brain so I'll never forget it. I read to be reminded the WHY of what I believe already, and to strengthen my convictions. Some people, however, use the Bible as a teaching tool, to re-educate themselves on how they should live their lives. Convicts, for example. I think you mistook my previous statement as personal commentary; I was merely defending Christian belief as a whole.
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Right, I understand that. But what you said and implied was that Christianity is there as moral guidance for people who have none. And then you rebutted yourself by saying you admit all people have true moral already built in.
Why do you need the bible, or any book, tv program, movie any form of media you can name, when we have the world in front of us? People are murdered, raped, starved, tortured, people commit acts of hate, gamble, cheat, lie. War's go on, children continue to die. Isn't the world enough of a wake up call?
The bible is a fantastically well written story, about hate, suffering, pain, about spirituality, sexuality, misogyny, stupidity. I hope when you say you look to the bible for moral comfort, that you're looking at it as in what not to do. Rather than guidance for what you should do, which is the reason for so many sad things that happen in the world.
If books that are sold in book stores have suggested age limits, CD's have explicit content warnings on them, and movies are rated for age with warnings on what is inside, why should holy texts not be given the same treatment?
I am not saying I agree with Scuzzo's message. I think censorship in any form is wrong, and I think banning anything is wrong. But I think it raises some good thinking on just what the bible is saying.
And about Convicts, 70% of all people who are taken to prison are Christians. Before they go to prison, not during or after wards. Maybe the reason they're there in the first place is misplaced worship. Instead of instilling fear (for all the suffering you will endure if you stray) and fearlessness (because god will more than likely forgive you) into children, perhaps we should remind them and ourselves of that fact that as far as we know this is our only chance to make a positive impact on the world.
Here is a situation for you, you're a kid and you have a test to take at school. Your parents have told you, as long as you don't look on other people's tests, you'll get a part after wards. Your parents will take you out and give you a party, and it will be the best time of your life, right? Ok, so how much motivation are you going to have to study? Or to really even read the questions? Or fill them out? Hey as long as you don't cheat, you're getting a party.
You see the problem? If you tell kids that someone loves them no matter what and they'll be forgiven for anything they do (well except cheat, which in this case is denounce the holy spirit Mark 3:29) and that they'll be rewarded with heaven in the after life, as long as they believe in god... that really screws up society.
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I figured you'd rebut with something like this. OK- here's a situation for you. Say a little boy is born into this world. He has never sinned, never lied, never done anything "bad" in his short lifetime so far. He is guaranteed to be a sinner, since that's simply human nature, but he has been given the innate sense of right and wrong. He grows up a little and begins to develop personality. His mother tells him not to do something. He does it anyway, even though he feels it's wrong to disobey her. His mother never disciplines him for disobeying her, and the child never learns limits. Say his mother is a drug-addicted prostitute. He learns at a very early age some of the most horrific conditions a person can face. But it's all he knows; his mother is raped and beaten by abusive men on a regular basis. He's never heard of God except when the name is cursed; he's never seen a Bible. There are no good morals instilled in him through parenting, nor from reading the Bible. He grows up shoplifting and stealing; gets his hands on a knife and threatens people with it. He's never been caught or punished so doing such things, he never reads about love and forgiveness in the Bible, all of these hardships is just a way of life for him. He no longer feels bad about it, he doesn't get a "rush" anymore, or feel guilty. Maybe he is put in various foster homes and ends up being abused. He grows up with a pretty messed up view of life. Maybe he becomes a gang member. Maybe he turns into a murderer. That first kill is a bit of a rush. The second... not so much. He continues to kill without remorse, without a twinge of guilt. He's seen enough pain and hurt in his lifetime, he has little regard for life in general. He was born a blank slate and due to his circumstances and lack of discipline in his life through good parenting or teachings of the Bible, is now very "bad".
OK. Now, this could go two ways. This guy is thrown into prison. He gets his hands on a Bible.
A) he reads the Bible and realizes there is more to life than hurt and pain and murder and abuse. He accepts that he has done horrible things, admits he will never be perfect or blameless, he will never be able to undo the things he has done and will always be a sinner, until the day he dies. But God can and will forgive that, as long as he strives to do the right thing and has admitted he has done very wrong things, and asks God for guidance and to take control of his life. He decides to dedicate his life to helping others cope with abuse and drug addictions, and lives his life as a loving and tolerant individual to the best of his ability.
B) he gets his hands on a Bible. Someone tells him that all can be forgiven if he just asks Jesus into his heart. Ok, sweet! He reads a little in the Bible, and sure enough, figures out that he needs to ask God for forgiveness. He says the magic words and all is forgiven. Right?
See the difference? You think God is going to be impressed with someone who not only has little regard for humanity, but has absolutely no respect for Him? By saying the prayer, do you think God even forgave him? Being forgiven comes with a true desire and effort to turn your life around. It's not about being "perfect" or sinless, or getting a free ride to heaven. It's also not about pointing out others' sin. How many people who are self proclaimed Christians really have the love of God in them? I see those people protesting on the streets of San Francisco, holding signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS". I bet you it really makes God sad to see that people just don't get it. Besides the fact that God doesn't hate ANY person (only the sin itself), we're taught to reach out to others with love and tolerance, and to judge what is right and wrong. Saying "God Hates Fags" isn't judgment, it's a false statement. No where in the Bible does it say that, therefore, you're not spreading the "word of God" rather a twisted misinterpretation of man's understanding of the word of God.
And as for having morals built in, you know how the first time you do something that feels wrong, you feel guilt and remorse. Then you do it again.. and you don't feel so guilty. As you continue to do this thing, suddenly you can't remember why you thought it was bad in the first place. That's why it's sin. We want to do it, even though we know it's wrong. Someone who uses the word of God for comfort and to "boost morale" is going to be able to resist that wrong, whereas the person who continually gives in to that wrong isn't going to feel bad about it.
I'm sure you'll respond with something like "well, why can't we just learn from society and everyday life that there are bad things happening, why do we need the Bible"? Well, because society and the world is the word of man. Man is flawed. If we constantly look to society to see what is right and wrong, we will grow up with a flawed perspective. However, if we turn to the Bible, which has the teachings and the word of God, we will grow up with the rules and a better sense of what's right and wrong, according to God's perfection. We will never be able to do what's perfect and right because the world has such a great influence on us and the world is flawed by nature. God knows that, and he's willing to forgive that... but we have to educate ourselves and strive to do what God says is right, and that's why we read the Bible.
Erhm... That was a lot more than I meant to type... sorry about that. ._.
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I had something really long written out. But then I sat back and asked myself "what are you doing?". What do I care what you believe? You're not hurting me. And I'm not in the business of spreading any amount of negativity.
Have a lovely day
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And you're not hurting me. I simply had posted my opinion of this deviation.
You have a lovely day, too.
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I agree, yes.
And it's nice to know that I'm not alone.
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Thanks for that. I was going to write "kudos" on yours, too. And you're not alone, although it looks like we're the only two here with such conviction, huh?
I'll be surprised to see if the artist leaves a reply on either of our comments.
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