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Published: 2006-09-14 14:23:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 406; Favourites: 8; Downloads: 0
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I've drowned my soul into the deep darkness of Hell, where Evil is forged, in the inferno of Hate.
To Hell and Back again...
My visit is branded with a hot iron into my conscience,
I've definitely lost my innocence.
... No more see shining the light...
... No more feel heating the sun...
... Just see crashing this eternal blight...
... Just feel on my neck the Devil's gun...
... On my temple ...
... The Temple of my life ...
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Ahah, maybe!
Thanks for your comment
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Hey! Thank you very much!
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You're very welcome, I really enjoyed that piece!
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One word: Terrifying. I didn't get it at first and then it sort of popped up and scared me a little. It's very nice but disturbing to look at because I feel somethings going to pop out. I like the confusion and messiness of the piece because, as we all know, that's how we expect Hell to be like.
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Yes, this piece was a kind of practice with photoshop, with new elements... I don't have the impression that it's finally good, I changed many things many times, and I still wonder if I finally will remove it or not. Anyway, you're right, the title is directly inspired by the messiness of this piece
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Oh, no! Don't remove it, it's lovely..in a dark, twisted way!
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lol, it's difficult I know it...
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I've to study French for many reasons, hope I'll be prepared soon
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oh, I hope so too
If you want some help, I'm here
You can ask me questions too using my mail (more practical 
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C'est peu de chose, mais... Très très beau... So deep, I'm speechless
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Merci
Peu de choses mais qui me font grand plaisir
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It looks messy, but I like it. I think it looks cool in this picture. And I also like the tittle, it suits this one well ^^
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You been there?
I think it's hot.
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For people who hate heat. For the others, it's freezing cold.
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Haha, I'd laugh at hell if it were as simple as that.
lol, *hmmm I don't like the heat*
*THAN BURN!!!*
meh...
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I don't think so, I believe hell would be a place off complexity and frustration.
Would you honestly fear something as simple as someone wanting to murder you, or fire, or whatever? If you really want someone to suffer it takes something subtle.
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Because you imagine that hell is a place. I think hell is a state. Actually, when I said it was simple, I was supposing that hell was a place, and what place? A place human created. So it cannot be too complex.
But I think that hell is a state, not a place. And there, it is subtle.
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That is actually what I meant. But that is just the hell humans make for themself. But I also think there is a more primordeal hell.
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What do you mean by a "more primordial hell"?
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I think of a more universal hell. Something that goes beyond as simple as that we are mere blobs of flash floating in space. Something we may interpret as true evil.
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Are talking of an union between all the cultures of this world? The universal idea of evil?
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Not quite, I think evil is very personal, instead of on large scales.
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Of course, it is personal, but very common. The limits are personal, the source is universal. The concept is religious.
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I think we have a agreement on that than ^^
I do think it might get a bit further than religious though, since I am very non-religious but I do experience its manifestations.
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What was first religious came into cultures mores, the concept of the good and evil has been used by religions, but it is based on the judgment of things of this world. Then, it has an influence on those things, like an inverted process. And it spread in minds, no-religious ones as religious ones. Actually, we use religious terms (hell is one ^^), to describe things, because it's metaphorical. The important is the idea behind, and as those terms are very common and understood by everyone, it's easier to use them than using philosophical terms or complex sentences that could lose the audiance and the speaker himself
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Yeah I think due to the word, the relevance is lost to its context. Intent is more important than the average interpretation of a word. But that's my look at it.
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It is for the speaker, but not for the audiance. And what is the aim of the speaker if it's not to be understood by his audiance...
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Thought you were going to say that. ^^
I know this is the general way at looking at things, but than again, I don't care shit about the great majority, I care for intent.
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Sure sure!
Happily, you're not a politician ^^
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Really man, if I'm honest, what worth is democracy if more than 50% of the people who vote, are retarded. (A less subtle way to put it, but none the less).
The world would be without war if we would look more to intent, rather than the mistakes people make by picking the wrong words.
So many wars and fights overall for: HE INSULTED ME. or, THAT'S A BAD THING TO SAY.
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Yes, but how educates all of them? The problem is that there is an equilibrium that gives its balance to society. We need elites, but everybody cannot be one, what would happen otherwise?
On your words concercing wars, it's not only a question of misunderstandings, but of the stakes behind too. Some wars are perfectly voluntary, everybody knows why this country will fight, and why this other will too. I don't think misunderstandings are the main source of conflicts, concerning the nations dimension. Anyway I agree it's the source of the silliest ones!
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Yeah most wars are just like this:
A country wants to obtain something (may be anything) and another country is in the way for obtaining this thing.
I'm not sure we need elites. What I think is that common people do need to get smarter. Or at least educated in a different way. Because I think the priority for morales and principles seem very twisted to me. I'm very happy that country's are led by most people that do lead. Because I know that most commoners would make a fucking mess off it.
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I'm sure we need elites, in that particular society. The only "society" that can work without elites is anarchy. And in order to make it working, all people must be educated. It's the first necessity.
Anyway, I agree on that, common people must to get smarter, the problem is to give them the tools of reflexion, all of them. Because they're not especially stupid, they just don't use what they have not been taught. This abstraction is the reason why they "think partly", or not think at all. We all know that a reflection, to be logic, must be complete. To be clever too. And that would be the priority of education structures: giving to everyone the tools, not the ideas, but the way to build a reasoning with them... a full clever reasoning.
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I agree on that. But the way on obtaining that will probably very unconventional, which is fine by me. As is shown over and over again, that this just doesn't work optimal.
The only religion that seems appealing in any way to me is Buddism. It is also the only religion that tells you not to follow that religion, but find out wisdoms yourself, instead of asking you to learn anything they feed to you. Next to that I also find the Buddist principles and morals appealing as well.
Also to be complete is hard, there will never be "true" perfection, since we all need to compromise to each others. True perfection would mean that everyone would think the same on every matter. And I believe no one would find that appealing. But what I do think is that there is way to much scattered thoughts about everything. Even if there would be "perfection", there would still be gaps.
I think there should be thought about how you are going to give people the right step ahead to become clever people, without making you a "product" of such a system.
What might also help a lot is looking it people's homesituation. Since many people get fucked up during their early home period.
Anyway, what can be said is that there is to much imbalance in society. People taking the wrong things for granted. Making bullying a habit. Expecting to much from other people.
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The only religion I support is Reflexion, and the only temple is Brain. Don't need Buddism for that. People are always very glad when they discover Buddism, because it goes with their thoughts, and they can say "oh yes, there is a religion that is nice." I'm sorry but I think it isn't. Not Buddism's ideas, but the religion it is. Anyway...
I wasn't talking about perfection, it's something that has no sense in this world. It only has in mathematics, and all theoric sciences, that's all. Bringing people to a high level of education wouldn't make them think all the same way, I don't think so, there would still remain the human factor (and so many others ^^).
Anyway, I agree totally the fact that the precarious situation is a brake to think correctly. Even a smart guy can lose control of his mind if he falls into a situation like that. That's one of the most important priority.
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To the Buddism thing, I'm no Buddist or whatever, it's just the only RELIGION that is more or what appealing to me.
Anyway, the problem is that people think the wrong way. Wrong priority's are set. People seem blind to true problems and solutions.
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Ah ah, okay okay, I didn't say you were
Yes, it's the problem, reinforced by the current economic system/problems. We are slaves of our own society. Some people are dying in the streets because they can't pay the cares. It became absurd.
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Oh I wasn't being defensive 
Anyway, something that suits this well:
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Lyrics: [link]
This song is about the system we hate, but we dance to.
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Indeed. But I don't really like Meshuggah, their music is really strange, and this is not a strange that I like ^^
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Naww, it's just new to you. In fact it is very logical music, they just use dissonant scales, and it's complex.
Their music just isn't very accessable, but that is what I like about metal.
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Naww, it very old to me! I know Mesuggah for a long time, and believe me, I enjoy many "strange and progressive" bands, but not Mesuggah. The feeling doesn't pass.
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